I thought that's what I said thoughboostjunkie wrote:Legacy777, you are correct, however, that putting the EJ22 heads on a 2.5L block will increase the compression ratio.
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This just in - May 19.
From the nasioc boards (xephyr):
"I'm posting to clarify a little mis-information I have posted on previous threads. In the past, I have chimed in on the use of 2.2 Turbo Legacy shortblocks for performance applications. I also stated that using the 2000 2.2 gasket would raise your compression ratio, if so desired. Unfortunately, I forgot to consider piston protrusion.
The turbo legacy pistons protrude from the block at TDC by .020-.030 inches. using the standard T.Legacy head gasket (which is thicker than Phase 2's) will allow the piston protrusion from hitting the head. BUT, USING THE THINNER HEADGASKETS MAY ALLOW THE PISTON TO HIT THE HEAD. THEREFORE, I DO NOT RECOMMEND USING THE THINNER PHASE 2 , YEAR 2000 2.2 L HEADGASKETS WITH A TURBO LEGACY SHORTBLOCK.
I checked several phase 2 engines which normally utilize the thinner headgaskets, and those pistons DO NOT protrude at TDC.
Sorry about the mis-info,
Mark R."
"I'm posting to clarify a little mis-information I have posted on previous threads. In the past, I have chimed in on the use of 2.2 Turbo Legacy shortblocks for performance applications. I also stated that using the 2000 2.2 gasket would raise your compression ratio, if so desired. Unfortunately, I forgot to consider piston protrusion.
The turbo legacy pistons protrude from the block at TDC by .020-.030 inches. using the standard T.Legacy head gasket (which is thicker than Phase 2's) will allow the piston protrusion from hitting the head. BUT, USING THE THINNER HEADGASKETS MAY ALLOW THE PISTON TO HIT THE HEAD. THEREFORE, I DO NOT RECOMMEND USING THE THINNER PHASE 2 , YEAR 2000 2.2 L HEADGASKETS WITH A TURBO LEGACY SHORTBLOCK.
I checked several phase 2 engines which normally utilize the thinner headgaskets, and those pistons DO NOT protrude at TDC.
Sorry about the mis-info,
Mark R."
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Legacy777, what we are talking about here is putting ej25 heads on an ej22 engine. if you do that, then the Compression ratio will go down.
you were referring to ej22 heads on a ej25 engine.....C/R goes up.
FrmRgz2Rchz, you don't need ej25 heads cams to do the upgrade. just crank and rods. your compression will not change if you use the ej22 heads, head gasket and pistons.
you were referring to ej22 heads on a ej25 engine.....C/R goes up.
FrmRgz2Rchz, you don't need ej25 heads cams to do the upgrade. just crank and rods. your compression will not change if you use the ej22 heads, head gasket and pistons.
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Mark that is interesting about the piston protrusion. What you said got me thinking, you know how forged pistons have to run bigger cyl. wall to piston clearance cause they expand more right? Well, would you think that
duplicate OEM dimension JE pistons would hit the cyl. head with the thicker turbo Gasket?
How did you figure out about the piston protrusion?
Did you calculate how the metal expands with heat and all that, or is that protrusion a measurement of a cold engine
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Mark that is interesting about the piston protrusion. What you said got me thinking, you know how forged pistons have to run bigger cyl. wall to piston clearance cause they expand more right? Well, would you think that
duplicate OEM dimension JE pistons would hit the cyl. head with the thicker turbo Gasket?
How did you figure out about the piston protrusion?
Did you calculate how the metal expands with heat and all that, or is that protrusion a measurement of a cold engine
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Mark's over on nasioc. You'll probably have to post over there to get a response.
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scoobydoo, go to www.nasioc.com forums. In the aftermarket forced induction forum you can post your question to Mark directly or search for his posts. His handle is xephyr
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NICO I WRX U, I'm curious as to what other mods you have on your car?
I know you have a 5" dp and 3" catless exhaust. Let's see, a hybrid t3/rbh5 and fmic running ~21psi. Anything else? Pics?
I know you have a 5" dp and 3" catless exhaust. Let's see, a hybrid t3/rbh5 and fmic running ~21psi. Anything else? Pics?
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i cant put pic up i am not good wit this computer stuff my heads r port&polished bigger then anyones ever seen. plus my car has nothing in it seat, motor & me no comfort stuff i can make my tires peel out in first second the size is 205 55 16. there is some pic of it in daves legacy central. i got new one s wit new toys but i got to send them
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I emailed you the link for the pic. Just post it in thread. Unless you're talking about different pics.
I emailed you the link for the pic. Just post it in thread. Unless you're talking about different pics.
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That is not milehi. Though both in the same region and both insane with boost and EJ22Ts. He does mention milehi in the post though. Right at the beginning when he states that he is Mark, not Alan. Since we are talking about the beauty and strength of the EJ22T block I'll post my question here. I have on the drawing board plans to build a 95-99 Legacy GT-B wagon. I will stay with the twin turbo set-up that the car gets in the UK and in Japan. I do plan on tuning the car. The first most obvious fix to me was to replace the block with an EJ22T block. I have no doubts about this engine. My 193K FWD Legacy vouches for this as does every Subaru mechanic that has been so for over 10 years as does everyone on this board. Would this work with the twin turbo set up?
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Twin turbo setups really don't work with LHD cars. Sure you could tweak it and get custom stuff costing lots of money to get the twins to work, however, you'd probably be better with just a single turbo setup.
Spend the extra money on a better turbo or other such stuff. Alot of guys in Japan do away with the twin setup because they are complicated, maintenance piggys, and with the smaller turbo, you need backpressure or you'll nuke it pretty quick by overspooling. Not to mention the valley of death where the turbo's swap.
So IMO......I'd go with a single turbo setup with ej22t block.
Spend the extra money on a better turbo or other such stuff. Alot of guys in Japan do away with the twin setup because they are complicated, maintenance piggys, and with the smaller turbo, you need backpressure or you'll nuke it pretty quick by overspooling. Not to mention the valley of death where the turbo's swap.
So IMO......I'd go with a single turbo setup with ej22t block.
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That's why I'm getting a RHD postal wagon to do the swap . Also convert to 5 speed. I'm not building the fastest car I can. I'm looking more to have a nice and fast car with good every day driveability and individuality. How many people out there have a RHD TT setup? Not many outside of the UK, New Zealand, or Japan.
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I'm doing the same...
bought a bent, driveable 96 tt 5 spd wagon, getting it shipped here now,
getting the whole car as i have learned that getting all the parts at one time is the best way to go
PROBABLY looking for a postal wag body to use. keeping it rhd, since I learned the twins do not clear lhd steering,brakes, without costly mods..
getting the whole car as i have learned that getting all the parts at one time is the best way to go
PROBABLY looking for a postal wag body to use. keeping it rhd, since I learned the twins do not clear lhd steering,brakes, without costly mods..
Shhh... Here's a few postal wagons. Don't tell anyone though. This is where the postal guys put their cars to sell and buy.
http://www.cars101.com/~booknut/cgi-bin ... tal+Legacy
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do you think I can look in a jumkyard to get ...
...scraps of a rhd postal legacy, enough to use the vin?
repli-cobra places do this with the frame tags off a 1965 car, can i do it with a lets say 1991 wagon?
repli-cobra places do this with the frame tags off a 1965 car, can i do it with a lets say 1991 wagon?
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Nobody told you this, but I can't see why not. I don't know about your inspection and disposal and title laws, but they're probably more lax than MA and if I were a guy who would do stuff not strictly legal, I could probably do it. Although a rhd car may get some snoopers who want to look under the hood and then they may be smart enough to understand what they're looking at.
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well,..
a stock twin turbo legacy had to pass japanese smog laws, it could prob. pass the ones here, esp. since they cant put it on rollers...I do not think they have rollers to do a 4wd car, I remember reading something about a warning as such when i had(pre divorce) a 2002 wrx
I want to get more power for less money, just have to find the best easiest way to accomplish this, thinking that buying a complete car is best way to get all the upgrades, brakes, interior, engine of course, suspension
and, officer, its one of those old subaru mailwagons, (that's my story and i'm sticking to it) of course because its the truth.
I want to get more power for less money, just have to find the best easiest way to accomplish this, thinking that buying a complete car is best way to get all the upgrades, brakes, interior, engine of course, suspension
and, officer, its one of those old subaru mailwagons, (that's my story and i'm sticking to it) of course because its the truth.
Somewhere in this thread it mentions that the compression ratio for ej20 heads on an ej22t is 7.5:1 . I think that is wrong.
read this thread http://bbs.legacycentral.org/viewtopic.php?t=14511
read this thread http://bbs.legacycentral.org/viewtopic.php?t=14511