nitrous

azn2nr · Post by **azn2nr** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 9:54 am

is anyone here running a zex dry nitrous kit?
and how are the results

THAWA · Post by **THAWA** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 4:11 pm

why do you need nitrous?

azn2nr · Post by **azn2nr** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 7:06 pm

to be able to compet with the high rollers in this city

legacy92ej22t · Post by **legacy92ej22t** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 10:11 pm

I haven't heard of anyone on this board running any nos( dry or wet).

You may want to poke around on Nabisco or I-club. You'll probably get some info there.

FrmRgz2Rchz · Post by **FrmRgz2Rchz** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 10:55 pm

Why isn't anyone on here running nitrous? We have the strongest Subaru motor ever built. I know WRX guys run nitrous all the time. I think I might get me a wet kit fabricated for my car.

mTk · Post by **mTk** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 11:07 pm

I posted a long time ago about running nitrous. I did in fact have a zex dry nitrous kit. I had some issues with it engaging, but when i got it to work the results were VERY nice on my n/a ej22. I was running a 45, then a 55 iirc.

MK

BAC5.2 · Post by **BAC5.2** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 3:40 am

azn2nr wrote:to be able to compet with the high rollers in this city

Why not just build the motor?

Nitrous is a temporary fix for a permanant problem.

LaureltheQueen · Post by **LaureltheQueen** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 3:50 am

nitrous is car viagra.

A last resort, if you cannot do anythign else to make it better. Do you honestly think the EJ22t NEEDS viagra? I dont

czo79 · Post by **czo79** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 4:37 am

I've thought about putting a nitrous kit in my GT...I can't decide wet or dry...I don't know whether boosting fuel pressure will provide enough fuel for NOS safely...so I think maybe I should go with a wet kit. I guess maybe if you are building some kind of crazy drag car with a monster turbo that needs some time to spool...you could run nitrous to help spool the turbo...but if you are doing that, you have engine management, and so you should just get engine management with antilag...
But I don't see why people get their panties so in a bunch about nitrous...if you want a cheap little kick/thrill occasionally...go for it...just don't kill your engine, it isn't worth it...
thanks

THAWA · Post by **THAWA** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 4:48 am

azn2nr wrote:to be able to compet with the high rollers in this city

Sorry to be so blunt but that is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Just because other cars need something doesnt mean yours does. And if you think otherwise you are a tard. Do a little research and you'd find out that you can have more power just by taking your time. I've never been a fan of nitrous, but you wanting it so you can keep up with some freakin ricers is stupid. Do some research and plan your build, or just go get a honda.

FrmRgz2Rchz · Post by **FrmRgz2Rchz** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 4:50 am

I wouldn't see a problem with having a kit to help turn a low 13sec run into a mid 12. I don't really agree with putting a nitrous kit on a stock motor and running 14's. I raced a tiburon with a kit, and he ran mid 15's. That is not really the way I think nitrous should be used for.

ciper · Post by **ciper** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 4:54 am

Did I rub off on Thawa

Personally I dont like nitrous because it adds one more consumable to the car.
You cant benefit it at all times like a properly built motor.
The only way Id consider doing it is with a nitrous/propane combo kit.

THAWA · Post by **THAWA** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 4:59 am

ciper wrote:Did I rub off on Thawa

douglas vincent · Post by **douglas vincent** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 6:14 am

I dont know about it being a cheater or non respectable. Part of nitrous is really when you DONT have the money and/or time to build your engine. Christ, how much time does it take to even swap an engine into a rig, not to mention all the little things such as wiring and such, much less the cost of an engine, which if not in good shape, will need to be pulled and rebuilt again when you get a little happy with the boost?

Even a basic engine rebuild costs about $500 if you do it yourself (I know, I am doing one in in two weeks). If you want all the sweet internals you can add up to two grand without blinking an eye. If you want serious horsepower, start adding more to the tune of 4-5 K. For me, until I get rich, I will add the nitrous when I can just for the fun few seconds it gives me. If I had a turbo, I would still add then damn nitrous cause faster is faster (And I do know faster, my brother has a 350 hp at the wheel Jetta, Way Scary, but a dog on the line, all wheel spin 1/4 is 14 sec but 111 mph trap speed).

My goal is to get a 75-79 wagon and tranfer the engine and drive line in and add nitrous so I have a 130-150 hp NA engine in a 2000 lb old school wagon that does 13-14 sec 1/4s and piss off people with "nice" cars.

If anyone in the Portland Oregon area has a wagon for sale, please let me know.

Doug

evolutionmovement · Post by **evolutionmovement** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 7:28 am

Doug You want a 78-79 and I'd kill for an '84 2-door with an EJ22T conversion, although even an N/A would be double the power.

Personally I don't like NOS, because I like a motor to be reliable and last a long time with litlle maintenance. This can be done if you spend a lot of money with it, but then there are better alternatives for that cash outlay. If it's a car you drag only or are just going to beat on for a year or so before you junk it, that might be fine. I just like all my stuff to last forever (abandonment issues). I even kept hamburgeres in my freezer for four years (tasted like McDonalds, but shoe-leather consistency).

With me, I'm sure that if the time came and some punk really needed to get spanked, I'd invariably be with an empty bottle. I'm not a drag racer anyway, I prefer embarrassing stuff in corners - I just need power to maintain my lead through the straights and so turbo...

Steve

THAWA · Post by **THAWA** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 7:30 am

im sorry but 350 wheel hp should be faster than 14 secs. Trap seems nice though.

He doesn't need to swap his engine, he needs to build the one he's got.

OKay lets do some estimates, you can get a zex dry nitrous for 500 bucks and do a 75shot or

for 500 bucks you can get a saab 900 ic a cheap td05 and some extra cash to put together a mbc/fcd/whatever else or start saving for an exhaust setup. Turn the boost up and I'm pretty sure you'll have more than 75hp CONSTANTLY instead of everytime you fill up the bottle. If not though you'd be damn close to it or well on your way to it. There is just no point in nitrous on an otherwise stock engine. It's one thing to go fast every once in a while and another to go fast all the time.

Which would you rather do?

mTk · Post by **mTk** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 1:39 pm

czo79 wrote:But I don't see why people get their panties so in a bunch about nitrous...if you want a cheap little kick/thrill occasionally...go for it..

I agree w/ this 100% Nitrous just seems to have this stigma that people can't look past. There is nothing wrong at all with having it.

I say go for it.

MK

douglas vincent · Post by **douglas vincent** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 5:10 pm

With regards to my brothers 96 Jetta, that much power (350 or so at the FRONT wheels), unless you are running drag slicks, tire smoke is all you get in 1st and 2nd when trying to drag start. You cant really start to hook the power to the ground until about 40-50 mph where upon it will eat up the ground (hence the 111 mph trap speed). When really pushing the accelleration, you can get wheel spin when you shift into 4th at 100mph.

We filmed a 5-7 mile long chase between the Jetta and my other brothers 2002 Imprezza TS (closed course, of course) on a very twisty section of road. The TS is the stock 160 hp 2.5 liter with an automatic but with his AWD, we were never able to come close to passing without being suicidal. The camera was mounted on top of the Jetta and shows the incredible acceleration of the Jetta but when coming to the hard corners, even the race suspension could not compete with the TS. The TS admitadely has serious suspension mods though AND my brother is a top notch driver. By the time the ride was over I really had had my fill of extreme driving. I could not believe the quality of the stick of the tires to that road and the decelleration that the monster brakes could bring about. The TS was being driven at about 100% of its capability and the Jetta at about 85%. We would have won in a real race but in a real race you dont worry about oncoming traffic, bycyclists or cows. Soon there will be a posting of this video but not sure when.

The car also proves the point that building a race motor can also be very frustrating and exspensive. When building to the max you also run the risks of maximum damage. He has had to rebuild the damn engine twice at the tune of $5000 a pop. It is a VERY frustrating car to him and would like to sell it and get something less powerful but more reliable.

ciper · Post by **ciper** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 7:52 pm

Having to rebuild the engine twice is not because it was a "race motor" it was bad tuning or not building the engine for the level of power.

I still say nitrous isnt the good route to take, at least with water injection your "fuel" is available everywhere.

evolutionmovement · Post by **evolutionmovement** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 8:58 pm

The old cliche: you can have a car that's fast, cheap, and reliable; pick any two.

Steve

STi_GUY · Post by **STi_GUY** » Thu Mar 04, 2004 1:41 pm

If you were to pick a nitrous setup, the ZEX kit is the way to go. By far the safest and most reliable. My hangout of a tuner shop sells the dry kit for 600 USD installed! they'll even do purge for another 150. Those guys are great. I've always toyed with the idea of Nitrous on my N/A, but I am trying to buy a bike right now, so It'll wait.

Bottom line: ZEX

magnux · Post by **magnux** » Thu Mar 04, 2004 6:26 pm

I need NOS. One of the big bottles.. make it two. Oh, and Harry.. I need it by tonight.

In any event, it's already been said, but.. you have a turbo car. Make use of what you already have. There are so many things you can do to the car, for less than the cost of the nitrous kit, that give more horsepower. Nitrous is fun, sure, I had a 100-shot on my Camaro. However, I had more fun when I put a turbo on my Trans Am. Ever since then, I've been addicted to boost.

There's so much potential with the EJ22T without the need for nitrous, it's not even funny. Do you realize with a simple turbo upgrade and intercooler you could have 300HP? I know having nitrous (re: NAWSSSS!) is the cool thing to do these days, but do you want to show or go?

Ultimately, it's your car.. do whatever you wish. Just think about what you're doing, and make sure you're doing it for the right reasons.

vrg3 · Post by **vrg3** » Thu Mar 04, 2004 7:39 pm

But nitrous oxide and turbocharging can complement each other. Nitrous can pretty much eliminate turbo lag, and the turbo can take over as soon as it's spooled up.

magnux · Post by **magnux** » Thu Mar 04, 2004 11:39 pm

vrg3 wrote:But nitrous oxide and turbocharging can complement each other. Nitrous can pretty much eliminate turbo lag, and the turbo can take over as soon as it's spooled up.

Yes, but at the level that he (or hell, even the rest of us) are at, it really isn't necessary. It would be overkill. In any event, whatever his reasons were, "reducing turbo lag" wasn't one of them.

ciper · Post by **ciper** » Thu Mar 04, 2004 11:55 pm

Tuning is the correct way to reduce the turbo lag.

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