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2wd turbo 5spd wagon

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hi am am new to the forum here and so far i love it i have had to search a little to find what i want to know but i have all my questions answered without posting one topic!! i love it, but there is something i didnt find out that i have had a problem getting a strait answer outta anyone, they say its too costly or they dont know what they are talking about.

do the awd ecu units run to drive the rear wheels or is it all controlled by the diff's??

in that case if i was to swap a turbo motor into my 2wd 94 legacy wagon, its a 5spd, will it bolt up to the transaxle?? cuz i see that the tranny and the transaxle are the same as an awd model, even the rear suspention mounts are the same just lacking the diff and driveshaft. (i know there is more stuff but i am making this quick.)

getting down to it, will the ecu or can it be used, to just drive the front wheels with a turbo motor?? and will it bolt up? to my tranny and trans axle i mean. do the n/a engine block and the turbo block differ all that much?

so basically i am asking this, will it fit for the most part, and will it drive the front wheels instead of all of them?? more so can i convinse the ecu into thinking its driving all the wheels when its pushing the fronts?

thank you all in advance for the reply's :D

o yeah, its a 1994 Legacy L Sunsport, 2wd, 2.2l MPFI. old motor knocks real bad so i am willing to drop the money into a wrecked auto turbo wagon and use all the parts short of the rear drive system. and buy anything coresponding to the swap, then we will have more turbo 5spd wagons! probably one of the only 2wd's too! :twisted:
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Post by vrg3 »

The ECU doesn't know anything about the all-wheel-drive system. In a 5-speed, in fact, no electronics are involved. So, you could indeed do what you're describing.

I believe it will bolt up correctly to your FWD 5-speed transmission. Routing the exhaust correctly will either require a custom exhaust or a turbo engine crossmember. I guess you'd use the existing engine mounts on your FWD wagon.

I presume you're planning to use the ECU from the turbo motor. There are a few small changes to the wiring you'll have to do. For example, you'll need to run new wires for the pressure sensor, the pressure exchange solenoid, and the wastegate control solenoid. You'll need to swap the camshaft position sensor and crankshaft position sensor lines.

Should be a fun project!
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Post by legacy92ej22t »

does sound like a fun project but while you're at it why don't you add awd?you will do much better off the line.you wouldn't be able to smoke them up laying rubber though, which would be fun to. :)
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Post by ej221994legacy »

:roll: yeah i would like the launch with awd, but.... well.... its like this i dont like to drag race becuase of the fact i am a strong follower of the world rally championship, scca touring car, and stuff like that. all said in one sentence, "drag racing proves how fast a car is,the corners prove how fast a driver is". believe it or not i have ran with a 1966 shelby cobra 427ci kit car, they are FAST :shock: . but thats in the corners i got raped in the straits!! my subie wagon made a harmless shame out of it in the coners. :roll: the story is to long but i did get smoked in the straits.

i am all about the corners but i have this horrible lack of power in the drag, to make up for this i need a turbo motor. VIOLA! i have the power to smoke my buddy's retarded 1982 toyota corolla, for any of you toyota people its a AE-71 2 door, but he has a chevy 350 in it!! another guy has a 71 mustang mach 1 and he wants to go in the corners too!! so i gotta get this motor in soon so i can prove them all wrong.

i live in wisconsin so you know its full of twisty roads :twisted:

i hope to find a job and a wrecked turbo car so i can finance this journey into turbo car world (My first tubrocharged engine ever!) i am so exited to have found people that know the answers to the problems i have been seeking means to adress for so long, accually 2 years i have been searching the internet for the answer of "does a n/a cars transaxle bolt up to a turbo motor??" and yes it does!
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im pondering about doing the same thing on my 93 fwd. even know i have all the parts to convert mine into awd minus a 5speed tranny and a correct gearing pumpkin. the only reason i might keep it front wheel drive is because i got my hands on a brand new fwd 5speed tranny from a freind. one plus is it will be faster fwd but it is still FWD!!! Subaru did make a auto fwd turbo one year i think it was 91. they probaly killed that off because it was killin those weak azz 4eats. If you have any questions im me or pm me.

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Post by 91White-T »

I would have to say from personal experience with using a EJ22T with my broken AWD, that you will get no traction whatsoever with FWD. Since my 4WD stopped working, my car is A LOT slower than it used to be. I guess what I'm saying is that you will more than likely have some bad traction problems with a FWD EJ22T car...
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Post by Legacy777 »

Having a FWD car myself......I can vouch for the traction thing. You get used to it and compensate for it. Just like you get used to driving an AWD car.....

Either way.....you'd have more traction with AWD. With FWD, you'd have more power being put down to the ground because you don't have as much parasitic losses in the AWD system.

Re the FWD turbo legacy.....that never happened. The turbo model always had AWD. In 91 it even had a LSD as standard.....all other years it was optional. So IMO, the 91 MY is the best one to get a hold of for goodies.
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Post by HomeSlice »

Legacy777 wrote:

Re the FWD turbo legacy.....that never happened. The turbo model always had AWD. In 91 it even had a LSD as standard.....all other years it was optional. So IMO, the 91 MY is the best one to get a hold of for goodies.

At my shop on the Hunter alignment machine one of the models is a fwd turbo legacy only in 91 though. anyone who has access to a hunter machine can vouch for me. dont know if there is actually a fwd turbo but its possible..
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Post by ej221994legacy »

:roll: i know there would be no traction but you gotta factor in tires too, i will be switching to 14x7's in the front 14x6 rear, yeah i know it is an odd setup for being a non drag racer but it promotes oversteer :twisted: and i am all about exiting a corner in opposite lock, and it gives better front traction and eliminates the horrid understeer assosiated with a fwd car.

also check out these 2 kinds of tires i found for added road holding, Yokohama AO32R, and BF Goodrich Comp T/A's, both will add the trac. i so despretly need running a turbo. the turbo motor isnt for the power in the drag, i ran my old n/a ej22 at over 4000rpm for long periods of time to keep it in the powerband, and in turn still did an exuast and intake and still i couldn't get it to pull that hard out of corners in 2nd adn 3rd gear, i wanna have to keep off full throttle to have traction exiting a corner at 100+mph, adn believe me a subie wagon can GO when it comes to cornering, i have hit so mane corners at 100+ its scary what a mistake can do to you at that speed on corners marked at 45mph!!

soon to come is video proof its possible to corner at that speed, come on guys you all have to have a couple members as crazy as me on a dead dark country road!!


having fun until the bitter knocking end,

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Post by Legacy777 »

Personally.....I think the machine is wrong. ;)
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Post by ciper »

I had a parts list that showed all the different transmissions and a part number for a FWD turbo did exist!
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holler ciper! :lol:
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