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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 5:29 pm 
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Hi guys,

I've just inherited my wife's 93 legacy Turbo and of course I want to up the power.

I'm thinking of starting with the boost gauge and a manual boost controller. I've randomly picked Hallman for the boost controller, but would appreciate any input you might have on this topic ie. What success have you had?????

Also with the boost gauge, where should I connect it, I initially thought on the line to the waistgate, but again I'd appreciate your input.

I'll keep you posted on how things are going

Keep the faith

Oldfart :D

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 5:44 pm 
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Welcome!

Search around for a while and you'll learn why starting with a boost controller is a bad idea, and you'll also find some opinions on where to plumb in a boost gauge.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 9:36 pm 
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OK "Mr. know it all", I basically searched around all afternoon and basically haven't found why my idea is so terrible.

On the Turbo section there are good reviews for JoeP, TurboXS, and Turbosmart. Actually J Lee is quite enthusiastic about his Dual stage TurboXS.

I also encountered an article in Sports Compact Cars that compares six electronic boost controllers with a single ball valve. And at the single ball valve did pretty darn good!!!

If you're actually indicating that I should do some other mods before a boost controller, then fine, but tell me what you mean!!!

However I will start with a boost gauge, that way at least I know what the Turbo is doing. The post seemed to recommend the autometer. Where would you connect it????

Now that I think about it, this afternoon has been pretty well spent, I've got very good information on manual boost controllers and that's a start.

Oldfart :-D :-D

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 9:50 pm 
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oldfart wrote:
OK "Mr. know it all", I basically searched around all afternoon and basically haven't found why my idea is so terrible.

Wow. Dude, take it down a notch.

First thing I would recommend is to find a used WRX 3" turbo-back exhaust. This helps your turbo immensely, sounds great and gives you much better top end power. You'll notice the stock turbo really starts to huff about 4500-5000 rpm with its horribly shaped stock dp with cat. You'll need to find a muffler shop that is competent with custom installs. Some people lengthen the axleback portion of the exhaust, some (including me) have not.

Then you can use the manual boost controller to kick it up 1 or 2 psi over stock. Any more than this and the horsepower gained is neglible IMO and endangering your engine.

Oh, and make sure the car is tuned up to the hilt (plugs, wires, sea foam, oil change, pcv valve, etc). Look up how to remove or modify the snorkus, the coffee cup intake resonator delete, and K&N air filters, and Diamond coilpacks. That should get you started.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 9:52 pm 
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Because of the smiley faces at the bottom of your post I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're not actually trying to be hostile.

Yes, I'm suggesting that you do other modifications first. Turning up the boost without changing anything else in the system can't be good for things, can it? Witness 92whitelegacy's recent experiences.

Here's an example of a discussion that already exists on Legacy Central about where to connect a boost gauge:
viewtopic.php?p=35826

Please join existing discussions instead of rehashing things in new topics like this. It'll help keep this place as useful a resource as possible.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:41 pm 
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Ooooops,

Guys, you know we old-timers are generally only allowed out on the weekends, and generally after dark, that way the risk of offending anyone is minimal.

Your replies are greatly appreciated!!!!! :-D :D

And yes, I will try to join existing discussions, thanks.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:29 pm 
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HAHA you remember my sn? aww im touched vikash i really am. Even though its not really a good reason. You guys can start callin me "brandon" the noob if you want :( ....But after this summer or so you better be sayin "Holy shit that things fast...and runs immensly well". :twisted:

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 12:13 am 
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You should also install some sort of intercooler. Whether its a top mount, front mount, air/water, or whatever, having an intercooler with a boost controller will bring good things. You'll be able to get away with a little more boost safely and even if you keep stock boost numbers, you'll be breathing cooler air, which is better.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 2:56 am 
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Brandon - Well, you can take consolation in the fact that you and others are learning from your bad experience, right?

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 4:05 am 
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A little. I've got BIG plans for a BIG project/Swap so im Very excited to get things goin.

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Bad experiences are the ones I learn from best. Especially if they're mine. Which is usually how it goes. :)

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 7:02 pm 
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free5ty1e wrote:
Bad experiences are the ones I learn from best. Especially if they're mine. Which is usually how it goes. :)


yea dood i feel ya. :) i went thru a lot of crap i didnt have to in my swap.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 5:50 am 
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IMO I would do everything listed in the above posts before cranking up the boost. Also I would stay away from a manual boost controller, Although the Hallman looks good, every manual boost controller I've seen was garbage. Crazy boost creep and would not hold a steady boost level. I would save up for a electronic if I were you.


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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2006 8:51 am 
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Hi guys im new and a NOOB I have the same car as oldfart but im a young buck heheh. My Nana got a new mini and gave me her 93 Sport AWD Turbo Legacy with only 93,000 clicks. :-D Im loving all input that u guys gave. And i half to agrea with the holding back on the gage. lots of other things will work better and for the buck.

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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2006 2:06 pm 
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Welcome to the board.

I've removed the image from your signature. There are some users that are still on dial up, so we don't allow images in signatures.

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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2006 7:09 pm 
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Glad to see some new guys here. Carbix, I'm glad to see that you found your way over here. You and Oldfart are definitely going to learn a lot of stuff from these guys.

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