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waldo320 wrote:Well after doing some talking with subaru today I have gathered that a, b, c are all diffrent grades of pistons so it seemed like that NA's had A's and turbos had B's. After looking at wisecos web site I have concluded that 3.838 in., 97.500mm which is .20 over stock bore pistons would fit my car. Would these fit my stock rods however?
I am about 100% sure that my 90 wagon motor has A and B pistons. This is because I wanted to swap in some turbo pistons that were all B.

Also, you can buy Turbo and NA pistons from Subaru in the three different sizes...
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What are you talking about? There are A, B, & C pistons for BOTH the n/a & turbo cars. There's actually twelve different part #'s beetween the n/a & turbo engines because the pistons are left & right specific

A, B, & C refer to SIZE only. Whoever you were talking to, does not know what they are talking about.
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Thats what I figured out cause when I went to subaru last friday they could not tell what pistons were in my car even when I gave them my vin? So after looking at wiseco some more I have found that .20 for us is right around 3.830" bore so I look around and found that we have the same size pistons as a V6 3.8L buick however the diffrence is that rings seem bigger here are the numbers on the buick pistons.
Pin Diameter (in): 0.940 in.
Top Ring Thickness: 5/64 in.
Second Ring Thickness: 5/64 in.
Oil Ring Thickness: 3/16 in.
Would these work with stock rods I know that ours rods are a little smaller, also what about rings are rings piston specfic or car specfic?
To say the least a cast piston that is cheap !!!
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Post by Josh Long »

206er wrote:josh, can you explain how squish and quench area effect detonation?
My take is as follows, this is the information I have based my most recent motor build on:

The quench area (built into the pistons and head), or the flat areas at either the exhaust or intake sides of the piston, just in front of the valve relief’s. This shaping and the squish or the distance between the piston and head, moves the gases within the cylinder to their "desired" area.

There are some folks that have had great results making the quench area far larger on the intake side, thus moving the gasses and the following combustion to the exhaust side. This as well as a slight offset in the wrist pin can move the forces of combustion to the side it will "do the most work".

The squish or distance to the head will be the deciding factor on how effective the quench areas are. As if the distance is too far they will not properly move the gasses.

In the distant future, I would love to build a motor I can afford to push until it pops seeing how this theory works for me, in real life.

More to the original topic, and a heavy dose of reality as opposed to theory Eric's (frantic Four)2.2t with thin gaskets DOHC heads and a VF39 was awesome. He was really worried about the squish area being too tight however, it is still running strong! This motor, as I said before seemed really resistant to detonation. He was even boosting around towing a trailer and motocross bikes!
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Post by Josh Long »

waldo320 wrote:Thats what I figured out cause when I went to subaru last friday they could not tell what pistons were in my car even when I gave them my vin? So after looking at wiseco some more I have found that .20 for us is right around 3.830" bore so I look around and found that we have the same size pistons as a V6 3.8L buick however the diffrence is that rings seem bigger here are the numbers on the buick pistons.
Pin Diameter (in): 0.940 in.
Top Ring Thickness: 5/64 in.
Second Ring Thickness: 5/64 in.
Oil Ring Thickness: 3/16 in.
Would these work with stock rods I know that ours rods are a little smaller, also what about rings are rings piston specfic or car specfic?
To say the least a cast piston that is cheap !!!


The rings are piston specific. Are these pistons dished for lower compression, ie turbo? I do not have the spec for the wrist pin dia. However if the pistons or the rods need to be machined I would say you should get the proper replacements.
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