WTB: 91-94 turbo legacy that needs fixing

drpsnwbrdr2 · Post by **drpsnwbrdr2** » Sun Feb 10, 2008 6:32 am

I am looking a California Turbo Legacy, whether its a whole car, a parts car, it can be automatic or 5 spd, sedan wagon, not picky, as long as the motor and turbo is okay. Only condition is please be local or within driving distance.

Looking to swap the motor into an Impreza so basically only need what is needed for a swap; engine, wiring harness, ecu, etc. but like the idea of having the whole car.

Let me know what you have. and thanks for looking.

drpsnwbrdr2 · Post by **drpsnwbrdr2** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:42 am

i can wait, ha ha

555BCTurbo · Post by **555BCTurbo** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:43 am

Impreza swap = evil

On a more helpful note:

Try JHot Imports on eBay...they routinely sell complete engine/transmission/harness/differential/axles packages for like $1000...that would net you an EJ20G and a 4.11 5 speed...

TheSubaruJunkie · Post by **TheSubaruJunkie** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 5:18 pm

Where in California are you?

head2wind · Post by **head2wind** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:47 pm

I have a 167k mile 93 turbo wagon in Washington State. Complete runner/driver for $1200. 4eat auto transmission: reverse doesn't work. I have a known good trans that could go with the car for an extra 250.

drpsnwbrdr2 · Post by **drpsnwbrdr2** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 1:07 am

555BCTurbo wrote:Impreza swap = evil

On a more helpful note:

Try JHot Imports on eBay...they routinely sell complete engine/transmission/harness/differential/axles packages for like $1000...that would net you an EJ20G and a 4.11 5 speed...

nah, not evil, its the younger brother or red headed step child, didn't the research and development on the WRC legacy help design the first gen Impreza? essentially the first gen Impreza is the real second gen legacy is how i see it.

also I like the EJ20g BUT the deciding factor is the ECU, the jdm will need 93-95 octane to get the full potential out of it while the ej22t ecu only needs the 91 to run properly and gas is big deal for me as it needs to be my daily driver. Im just trying to go plug n play, Also Im not positive but I think i need an originally cali car because I think it's emission system or ecu is different.

TheSubaruJunkie wrote:Where in California are you?

I'm in nor cal. do you have any ads up? i've responded to a handful of people in sacramento area, have we talked before? I'll pm you.

head2wind wrote:I have a 167k mile 93 turbo wagon in Washington State. Complete runner/driver for $1200. 4eat auto transmission: reverse doesn't work. I have a known good trans that could go with the car for an extra 250.

great deal, but unfortunately I almost bought a complete leggy with no spark for only $600 so, you know how that goes, and like I've mentioned above I think I need a cali car. great deal though, g/l with sale. and hopefully someone reading this thread will contact you

Thanks for the support and responces guys, keep them coming.

TheSubaruJunkie · Post by **TheSubaruJunkie** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 1:12 am

I dont have any ads up. I dont think we've spoken before.

I do have a '93 Turbo Wagon. The motor is out and it will be going back in very soon with fresh headgaskets, new seals and of course a tuneup. No mods except a top mount intercooler.

Car doesnt need any work. 4EAT works flawlessly. Body isnt 100%.

Was thinking of replacing it with an impreza for increased gas milage as im only averaging around 13 to 16mpg (with my lead foot and the 4EAT not helping).

if I sold it, i wouldnt want anything less than $2000 though. You can PM if you'd like to discuss it.

-Brian

drpsnwbrdr2 · Post by **drpsnwbrdr2** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 3:36 am

just pmed you then read your post. So the motor is out? Sounds like you have mission ahead of you, All that work and your going to sell it? You should just put in a different motor into your leggy and sell just the motor to me..ha ha fat chance right? g/l with the sale

Too bad I just sold two Impreza both 93 4-door 5 speeds, too bad

555BCTurbo · Post by **555BCTurbo** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 4:37 am

drpsnwbrdr2 wrote: also I like the EJ20g BUT the deciding factor is the ECU, the jdm will need 93-95 octane to get the full potential out of it while the ej22t ecu only needs the 91 to run properly and gas is big deal for me as it needs to be my daily driver. Im just trying to go plug n play, Also Im not positive but I think i need an originally cali car because I think it's emission system or ecu is different.

I don't think you would have any issues with octane rating...I know a few folks who have run full EJ20G engine management in the US with no issues...

Nothing is going to be plug and play...although an EJ20G harness and ECU would be much moreso (Legacies and Imprezas have different ECU locations, etc)

And to pass emissions, even an EJ22T will not qualify. If the engine did not originally come in the car, then it isn't legal as far as I know.

California and Federal Legacy Turbos are the same...there weren't any differences

TheSubaruJunkie · Post by **TheSubaruJunkie** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 5:42 am

And to pass emissions, even an EJ22T will not qualify. If the engine did not originally come in the car, then it isn't legal as far as I know.

I heard this as well. However, i have been told by plenty that a refferee can over ride that and give you a smog cert.

I know a guy in Southern Cali who put a EJ22 in his brat. Its tagged, and smogged, and the Brat NEVER came with a EJ22.

SubaruNation · Post by **SubaruNation** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 7:44 am

555BCTurbo wrote:Impreza swap = evil

On a more helpful note:

Try JHot Imports on eBay...they routinely sell complete engine/transmission/harness/differential/axles packages for like $1000...that would net you an EJ20G and a 4.11 5 speed...

+ infinity+1

drpsnwbrdr2 · Post by **drpsnwbrdr2** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:08 am

all great replies!!!

BUT let me clear the air, There are a few loop holes in Cali. One Subies are awd so no dyno test, and OBD1 so no hook up/plug test, only tests left is visual and the sniffer, So any clean running engine (JDM or USDM) will pass the sniffer, the last test is visual, If I don't tell anyone that the engine did not belong in the car no one will know, plus it cannot be proven unless the person really knows subies, which they probably don't. I mean these smog techs and police all think Subarus always come with turbos now, and plus I'm obd1 (the only way to go with a swap) so as long as I get an obd1 engine, I'll pass smog no problem. All most guarantee and a little know fact, certain counties in Ca, for instance, Lake County they don't require there residences to ever smog there cars!!!!!! so find someone that has a mailing address in Lake County or other Counties and say its your second address and your golden. There is loop holes in everything, never say never.

I watched a friend pass a JDM ej20g no problem, didn't even get "the eye" from the smog tech, didn't tell him nothing and got the certificate, funny thing was that same friend an hour earlier tryed passing an OBD2 GSX eclipse and was completely legal and didn't pass for some lame reason the computer didn't complete all its little self tests.

Arctic Assassian · Post by **Arctic Assassian** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:11 am

He had just cleared the check engine light, and was trying to get it to pass. Those self tests are called monitors, and thats to ensure the computer KNOWS all the sensor circuits are complete. Some people just don't know jack...

drpsnwbrdr2 · Post by **drpsnwbrdr2** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:19 am

555BCTurbo wrote:
drpsnwbrdr2 wrote: also I like the EJ20g BUT the deciding factor is the ECU, the jdm will need 93-95 octane to get the full potential out of it while the ej22t ecu only needs the 91 to run properly and gas is big deal for me as it needs to be my daily driver. Im just trying to go plug n play, Also Im not positive but I think i need an originally cali car because I think it's emission system or ecu is different.
I don't think you would have any issues with octane rating...I know a few folks who have run full EJ20G engine management in the US with no issues...

Nothing is going to be plug and play...although an EJ20G harness and ECU would be much moreso (Legacies and Imprezas have different ECU locations, etc)

And to pass emissions, even an EJ22T will not qualify. If the engine did not originally come in the car, then it isn't legal as far as I know.

California and Federal Legacy Turbos are the same...there weren't any differences

I am not sure where you get your info, no offense please, but one of the easist swaps (wiring wise) is the ej22t into an impreza, my friend has done an ej22t and ej20g and thats what he said.

Also about the emission, its only legal when you put a newer engine into an older chassis. SO ie a 93 or 94 EJ22t into a 93-94 Impreza. that has been common knowledge since the beginning of time, well its been that way here in the Cali.

Oh also I'm not trying to run an e-manage or anything like that. I don't want anything on the dash to make it look custom, I want everything to look stock that a smog tech is looking at. Thats how you pass the way I am saying. IF everything looks stock including the stock air box, its hard to prove its not stock.

drpsnwbrdr2 · Post by **drpsnwbrdr2** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:33 am

555BCTurbo wrote: I don't think you would have any issues with octane rating...I know a few folks who have run full EJ20G engine management in the US with no issues...

I will cuz the argument is ej20g is better cuz it will have more horsepower out of the box, yes it will but you will have to run 93 or 95 octane, whatever they have in Japan, so if you run the 91 octane on the ej20g it won't run like its suppose to and that just don't sit right with me. I like the Ej22t running on stock ecu with 91 octane and no $1000 or whatever redickulous price for an e-manage, I rather do that set up. Thats what I call plug and play and yes from what I gather the Ej22t into an Impreza is pretty much plug and play.

GeneralDisorder · Post by **GeneralDisorder** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:43 am

Actually there is no difference in octane used in europe and japan. The difference is the way it's calculated and displayed at the pump. Octane "rating" is always either MON or RON or some combination of the two. The rating system is mandated by the country the fuel is sold in. The 92 sold here (or sometimes even 93) is the same stuff that would be labeled 95, 96, or 98 etc in other countries. In most countries marketing rules the day (Orange juice commercials with nude models, etc), so the larger RON is displayed at the pump (bigger being better of course). In the US the government mandates that all octane displayed is calculated as (RON+MON)/2, and since MON is always lower, the average of the two is lower.

VERY common misconception.

JDM ECU would work perfectly here on premium.

GD

555BCTurbo · Post by **555BCTurbo** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 7:21 pm

GeneralDisorder wrote:Actually there is no difference in octane used in europe and japan. The difference is the way it's calculated and displayed at the pump. Octane "rating" is always either MON or RON or some combination of the two. The rating system is mandated by the country the fuel is sold in. The 92 sold here (or sometimes even 93) is the same stuff that would be labeled 95, 96, or 98 etc in other countries. In most countries marketing rules the day (Orange juice commercials with nude models, etc), so the larger RON is displayed at the pump (bigger being better of course). In the US the government mandates that all octane displayed is calculated as (RON+MON)/2, and since MON is always lower, the average of the two is lower.

VERY common misconception.

JDM ECU would work perfectly here on premium.

GD

Tell him what he's won Johnny!

Yes...he is totally right...

I will reiterate...I have seen FIRST HAND that a car with an EJ20G and the EJ20G management will run 100% perfect on 92 octane...

drpsnwbrdr2 · Post by **drpsnwbrdr2** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 11:07 pm

really?!!! I have heard this little conspiracy too but didn't quite believe it.

great info guys!! I love talking to smart people

drpsnwbrdr2 · Post by **drpsnwbrdr2** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 11:19 pm

Don't need anymore, close thread if possible

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WTB: 91-94 turbo legacy that needs fixing

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