Aluminum LCA weight difference verified.

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Aluminum LCA weight difference verified.

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I am finally getting around to putting my aluminums LCA's on the car due to the lower ball joints being bad and I took the opportunity to put a whiteline roll center kit on as I lowered the car about an inch when I put the 04 STI strut and springs on. The results will have to wait as I didn't know the front bushing was a different length from the STI piece and my tech didn't either so I can't put them on right now. I'm pretty excited to get this project done and see what difference it makes with the roll center kit.
I did get weights on everything before I had to put the stk. stuff back on the car. The total for the stk steel stuff was 11.95 lbs. and the aluminum total was 7.39 lbs. with a total savings of 3.19 lbs. and that is per side. The rear bushing was .64 lbs. lighter and the arm itself was 2.55 lbs. lighter which the arm is unsprung weight which makes a bigger difference. I did lighten and cleanup the aluminum arm by removing and smoothing all the casting seams that were present. This saved .03 lbs per arm, but mainly they look alot better this way.
With very close to 300,000 on the car the stock ball joints held up very well. Whiteline din't have an application for our cars, but searching on here I found everyone used the same part number that they show so I talked to them and got them to send me one. I am going to notify them that the part number works for the 1st gen. Legacies in case it helps someone else who is looking.
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Good work! Can't wait to hear how you like it once the aluminum control arms are installed.
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Re: Aluminum LCA weight difference verified.

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I think i am going to grind down the too long STI bushing in the front, but I don't have a good measurement on how long it should be. Does anyone have a accurate measurement on the stock bushing length. It would be a big help if someone did.
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Which bushing? The little front one that's in the LCA and gets bolted into the crossmember? I'll measure a stock arm from my pile when I get home tonight.
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Yes, that's the bushing, the one that is pressed into the LCA in the front.
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2.410"

Fair warning, I have a pretty good stash of LCAs and there's one set out of 3 that are from an '04 Forester. If that number seems way off let me know and I'll measure a different one.
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That is the same length as the STI bushings that are in the arms. See if you have some that are shorter. It sounds like you should have.
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Sorry. I'll dig some older arms out of the pile this weekend. I think you'd be fine to just grind them down to match the crossmember. I'd be more concerned about getting it straight/flat than getting the dimension exact.
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And the answer is.... 2.150" (almost certainly from a '97 Legacy Outback not that it matters)
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Thanks a bunch. That is just the info I need.
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Got the bushings all ground down and flat which took a long time as to get an accurate measurement they had to be cool and I wasn't really taking as much off as I would have thought. I did not get to use the rear bushings in the aluminum housings as they were too thick and the bolt holes were off by quite a bit. So if anyone needs a set I have brand new ones to sell.
I also had a problem with the Whitline ball joints as they were a smidge too tall and didn't go in far enough to get the bolt in. Had to do some grinding on the shell of the ball joint to where the bolt would go through. I also saw a video of a guy in the UK that does time attack with a highly modified STI and he installed a Whitleline roll center kit which lasted 6 laps and had play in it. Doesn't bode well for longevity. Of course I won't be putting those kind of forces through it, but still.
Got an appointment for an alignment tomorrow which it really needs. Then I should be able to tell something.
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Let us know how the car drives/feels after the alignment.
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The car does corner flatter now. It is noticeable. I don't drive my test loop anymore that had the cloverleaf where I would push things a bit. I was pushing the speed up when I would go through there and was at the point where the front end would just start pushing and I don't even remember what speed that was it has been so long. Seems all I do with the car anymore is back and forth to work when they call (different employer) and there is no where to make things interesting.
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Thanks for the feedback and letting us know. If you get somewhere that you can push the car let us know.
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