I've been making some updates to my website and going through a bunch of catalogs lately, and figured I'd post about some of the parts you can get for these cars right now in 2018. Since the BC/BF suspension is basically identical to what is on a GC Impreza, there's actually quite a bit.
The only things you probably need to use any of this stuff are the 92-94 rear top mounts, and AWD. These are all BC or GC specific parts, and that is a better option to using newer WRX parts even though you can make them work. The 02-07 impreza has a wider track which causes alignment and binding issues, and the rear top mounts are different. Much easier to stick with GC parts, and I've used wrx parts on a 1st gen.
First are struts. KYB makes the gr-2, now known as the excel-g, and that is the best oem-like replacement. The part numbers from kyb are the same between 92-94 legacy and 93-01 impreza, and they even list FWD, and 90-91 struts, but actually buying those might be harder.
KYB also makes the AGX for the GC, which is adjustable and can work in a good variety of situations. Keep them on the softer side with stock height springs and go rally crossing. Put on stiffer lowering springs or coilover sleeves and you have a good tarmac setup.
Koni also makes inserts, but I can only ensure they fit GC OEM struts made by KYB
90-91 awd part numbers: 235063, 235064, 235067, 235068
90-91 fwd rear struts: 235071 235072
92-94/GC part numbers: 334111, 334112, 334109, 334110
92-94 fwd rear struts: 235073, 235074
AGX: 734006, 734007, 733010, 733011
Koni inserts: 8610-1351, 8610-1352
Springs are a little more complicated. Firstly, you need the 92-94 or GC struts, perches, and rear tops to get the right ride height. Secondly, on a wagon they're going to sit a little low in the back unless you add a strut spacer. Additionally, I'm not sure on whether some of them are still made but here's what I came up with:
Eibach pro-kit - 7705.140 - lowers 1.2/1.0 on impreza
H&R sport springs - 29472-1 - lowers 1.8/1.4" on impreza. too low especially on a legacy
Tanabe GF210 - TGF031 - lowers 1.3/1.0"
King springs -KSFx-22, KSRx-23 where x= L for lowring, S, for standard, R for raised.
That's all the struts and springs aside from what you might find at a parts store, now we move onto coilovers. There is a pretty good selection, and that's even ignoring the crap like raceland and whatever is on ebay/amazon. I used to mostly say "buy struts and springs!" but now a coilover setup is becoming more appealing if you have a completely worn out suspension.
First, and cheapest decent coilover is the Tein Street Advance Z. Tein has never been a brand I particularly liked, but when your options and budget are limited you can't be quite as picky. The street advance z is a new product meant to be more friendly on us roads. Previously, tein stuff was kind of stiff and limited on shock travel. These use softer rates and have more travel than previous products like the Flex. You get an adjustable spring perch for ride height, a damper adjustment knob, and they fit on the stock top mounts. Cost is under $700.
Next, the ST-X coilover. ST suspension is the budget brand of KW. They make two versions- the X, and the XTA. Both are a less expensive version of the KW Variant series, and the main difference is with the strut housing itself. KW uses stainless steel, ST uses galvanized steel. ST X has no damping adjustment, threaded spring perches, and works with the stock top mounts. Cost is a little over 900.
KW and ST make a lot more products with more features and higher cost:
KW Variant 1 - ST X with a stainless steel housing - 1500-1600
ST XTA - 1-way damper adjustment, front camber plates - 1400-1500
KW Variant 3 - 2-way damper adjustment, stainless housing - 2300
KW Clubsport: V3 with stiffer springs and changes to valving - 2500 (discontinued, but a few sets floating around)
I think that Racecomp Engineering can also still get their version of the V1 and V3 in this fitment. Called the Tarmac 0 and Tarmac 2, they swap the springs for more race-track appropriate rates and firm up the valving. If you have the budget for KW V3s or Clubsports the T2s are a better option.
Ok, one more fancy suspension to list, the Bilstein PSS9. You've heard of it probably. Inverted struts all around, single adjustable dampers. Works with stock top mounts. Not cheap, but less than the variant 3 at around 2100. Right now a lot of Bilstein stuff is backordered, including the pss9 for the gc, and they won't be available until the fall.
There are a few other things out there. H&R lists a coilover, and they are generally ok parts. I don't know who makes the damper, or what kind of spring rates they have, but it seems to cost around 1500. I would assume you can get something from JRZ if you're looking for race car parts, and the same goes for other brands that make good stuff like MCS, MCA, and AST, for example.
BC racing.ISC, probably megan, etc have GC coilovers, but I don't particularly like them. They do come with camber plates and top mounts and cost $1000 or less. A better option would be Feal Suspension or Fortune Auto. They're similar, but put together better, and they assemble the dampers in house using actually good internal parts. However, to meet those price points, the housings, lower mounts, springs, tops and stuff are not as nice. Travel tends to be a little on the short side as well compared to bilstein and kw. But the dampers themselves are nice and work pretty well.
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Awesome simple writeup man. Particularly love the section on the Teins because that's my situation to a T. Will be getting to you about some street advance z's in the near future
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I'm a little confused as to why the GD WRX track width will matter for springs and struts? They're a straight suspension piece and the lower mounting brackets are identical.
I ran Bugeye wagon GR-2 struts and H&R sport springs on my wagon with stock BC rear top hats and WRX fronts, 16" WRX wheels and 205/55's with no issues. Actually it was by far my favorite suspension to date. No rubbing, no binding, firm on turns but actually very comfortable day to day. There is no way my wife would put up with riding in a harsh hoppy car!
It was made even better when I put tires that were closer to stock rolling diameter and I didn't have to worry about how off my speedometer was anymore lol!
I ran Bugeye wagon GR-2 struts and H&R sport springs on my wagon with stock BC rear top hats and WRX fronts, 16" WRX wheels and 205/55's with no issues. Actually it was by far my favorite suspension to date. No rubbing, no binding, firm on turns but actually very comfortable day to day. There is no way my wife would put up with riding in a harsh hoppy car!
It was made even better when I put tires that were closer to stock rolling diameter and I didn't have to worry about how off my speedometer was anymore lol!
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The key there is that you used wrx wagon parts. And you're right, those are pretty much the same and the 02-07 impreza wagon does have the same track width as the 1st gen impreza and legacy.
However, the 02-07 sedan is wider. The strut towers in the chassis are in the same place, the subframes are the same, but the control arms, laterall links, and axles are all about 10mm wider. So the lower mounting tab on the struts also sticks out about 10mm farther from the shaft. What that means is that when you put them in a narrower car, the strut doesn't really want to be in that position, and also it will give you less negative camber. People still do it. I have sedan struts in my legacy, but it's not ideal and I don't recommend it anymore. The slight binding makes my car ride much more harshly due to the added stiction and slight binding. There was even a case where a guy with a wrx wagon broke the damper piston in his fancy coilover possibly because of this.
So yeah, if you use wrx WAGON takeoffs, that's fine. But the majority of aftermarket struts out there are made for the sedan, and will cause some issues.
However, the 02-07 sedan is wider. The strut towers in the chassis are in the same place, the subframes are the same, but the control arms, laterall links, and axles are all about 10mm wider. So the lower mounting tab on the struts also sticks out about 10mm farther from the shaft. What that means is that when you put them in a narrower car, the strut doesn't really want to be in that position, and also it will give you less negative camber. People still do it. I have sedan struts in my legacy, but it's not ideal and I don't recommend it anymore. The slight binding makes my car ride much more harshly due to the added stiction and slight binding. There was even a case where a guy with a wrx wagon broke the damper piston in his fancy coilover possibly because of this.
So yeah, if you use wrx WAGON takeoffs, that's fine. But the majority of aftermarket struts out there are made for the sedan, and will cause some issues.
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jamal wrote:The key there is that you used wrx wagon parts. And you're right, those are pretty much the same and the 02-07 impreza wagon does have the same track width as the 1st gen impreza and legacy.
However, the 02-07 sedan is wider. The strut towers in the chassis are in the same place, the subframes are the same, but the control arms, laterall links, and axles are all about 10mm wider. So the lower mounting tab on the struts also sticks out about 10mm farther from the shaft. What that means is that when you put them in a narrower car, the strut doesn't really want to be in that position, and also it will give you less negative camber. People still do it. I have sedan struts in my legacy, but it's not ideal and I don't recommend it anymore. The slight binding makes my car ride much more harshly due to the added stiction and slight binding. There was even a case where a guy with a wrx wagon broke the damper piston in his fancy coilover possibly because of this.
So yeah, if you use wrx WAGON takeoffs, that's fine. But the majority of aftermarket struts out there are made for the sedan, and will cause some issues.
OH POOP! Well thank you a million for that info! I didn't realize they did that between WRX wagon and sedan. If I do this again, I'll make sure to get wagon struts. Which sucks, because they're like 50% more expensive!
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Blast from the past.
After scouring all the suspension threads, I'm pretty confident in what I want to put on my 93 ss, but one thing I haven't seen is what affects or gives the car the "saggy butt" look.
I wanna put some 93-01 impreza kyb agx struts, eibach lowering springs and group n top hats, but can't find anything about if the rear end will sag.
After scouring all the suspension threads, I'm pretty confident in what I want to put on my 93 ss, but one thing I haven't seen is what affects or gives the car the "saggy butt" look.
I wanna put some 93-01 impreza kyb agx struts, eibach lowering springs and group n top hats, but can't find anything about if the rear end will sag.
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I honestly don't know....but it may be more prevalent with wagons vs. sedans.
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TSSFAB.US makes rad stuff, they offer legacy suspension kits. I have the whole rear end in my sedan. I’m very happy with it!
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I don't know if this helps.Urabus93ss wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 5:55 am Blast from the past.
After scouring all the suspension threads, I'm pretty confident in what I want to put on my 93 ss, but one thing I haven't seen is what affects or gives the car the "saggy butt" look.
I wanna put some 93-01 impreza kyb agx struts, eibach lowering springs and group n top hats, but can't find anything about if the rear end will sag.
But I made a jig and just drilled two holes in my chassis to accommodate 02-07 wrx suspension this gives you more options when it comes to springs. Here is a chart https://www.northursalia.com/techdocs/s ... pring.html, but actually a lil bit of sag helps the roll center of the car. (though I sure you care more about looks). You can play with different rear springs to get that desired look.
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