What are you listening to?

SubaruNation · Post by **SubaruNation** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:05 am

now that i understand!

"the only thing things that endure are change and human stupidity"
i think Einstein said that.

ha ha

Chiodos: life is a perception of your own reality

entirelyturbo · Post by **entirelyturbo** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:46 am

What I'm about to say reeks of existentialism, but I've brought several science vs. religion arguments to a halt by saying that neither of them is 100% correct.

We are human, and no matter how hard we try, we make mistakes, whether by carelessness or lack of education.

That said, any and all history, in my opinion, is ultimately just speculation. Of course, we try as hard as we can to apply what knowledge we have to whatever it is we're studying, and as best we can tell, whatever hypotheses we draw from our research are precise and accurate. But, remember, a hypothesis is only valid if it can be disproved. So anything we conclude about anything is only to the best of our knowledge.

But the older a historical fact gets, the more variables come into play, and, in my opinion, the more inaccurate they get.

People who get into science vs. religion arguments are thinking existentially whether they like to admit it or not, so what I just said applies to their argument.

The only reason I interject with that is because I hate listening to people whack themselves off intellectually without trying to arrive at any useful conclusions.

So, all that shit that I just garbled out is a way of saying that I agree with the strong possibility that things were happening on this planet and in this universe waaaaaaaaaaaay before any of the evidence we've collected.

Opeth - Windowpane

SubaruNation · Post by **SubaruNation** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:10 am

if you were making fun of me....you win

ha ha ha but seriously both systems cannot be disproved to begin with, so the idealogical war will continue until all supporters and leaders are done away with, and the "idea" is forgotten or lost. which also probably wont happen.

*ready for chime in from evolution*

blink 182- stockholm syndrome

entirelyturbo · Post by **entirelyturbo** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:31 am

I wasn't making fun of anyone who has been participating in this discussion.

I've gotten in those arguments in the past though.

Reread Steve's last post. See how he used words like "likely" and "believably"? He's intelligently speculating without acting like a dickhead and insisting that his ideas are Gospel-truth.

That's what I respect.

Unheilig - Freiheit

Yes, again. What a fucking awesome song. It has turned me into an instant Unheilig fan.

evolutionmovement · Post by **evolutionmovement** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:32 am

To go any further would get too far into my more personal beliefs and I don't like to discuss them much as I hate proselytizers and the horrors they inspire. However, I eventually get into all of it throughout my Dante Chronicle books and although I frequently show disgust at the hypocrisy and true nature of organized religion to control, I like to think I show respect for other personal points of view as well. Nobody has it all correct. Even if everything I believed was true, there is still so much I don't know that it doesn't matter. At best, I may know there's a door, but dammed if I know what's behind it.

The Evolution Movement is the generally bad protagonist of the Dante series and they are an extrapolation of my social ideas (but not spiritual ones). I did that on purpose to prove a point about the corruption of power and the inherent natural hypocrisy that anybody trying to push a single idealistic philosophy on the whole will have to commit in order to institute it. In order to become the standard of the world, any philosophy would have to be forced upon the natural resistance many people would have to it, negating any positivity of the philosophy. Do the ends justify the means? Ignoring how naively impossible it is, would world peace and harmony be worth the deaths/displacement/subjugation of millions? I leave that up to the reader. It's sometimes easy to say it does when thinking in a general sense, but when the consequences affect people on a personal level it's tough to agree. That's what the main characters have to discover in the first book.

Well, I guess I responded anyway.

The Mountain Goats - Palmcorder Yajna

SubaruNation · Post by **SubaruNation** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:59 pm

oh i know i got that, im not arguing with anyone here subylver+evolution.
i learned that whole system awhile ago, i knew you weren't making fun of me i was being sarcastic like i always do

i was just continuing the topic and pointing out that the topic will never stop.

i ALSO stopped there. i realize this.. you would know if i started.
i sew the words steve posted and i like the way he thinks and portrays his ideas.
i'm not stepping on any toes believe me.

and so far just by reading his posts i believe and support evolution "steve's" thought process fully

no offense to anyone, although i dont believe i offended anyone

i like talking about this stuff b/c i like learning

and evolution i posted my fog switch pics, let me know what you think.

i'm lost without you- Blink 182

mattyg41383 · Post by **mattyg41383** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:14 am

I'll get in on this post

Since The Flood - 24k

They're a pretty sick hardcore/metalcore band out of the Boston area. Kind of along the same vein as Hatebreed.

SubaruNation · Post by **SubaruNation** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:14 am

are they like underoath?

mattyg41383 · Post by **mattyg41383** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:51 pm

SubaruNation wrote:are they like underoath?

I would say no, not at all. From what I know, underoath is kind of emo / sing songy. Since The Flood is more of a straight hardcore style. Think Hatebreed, Bury Your Dead, and Full Blown Chaos as similar styles.

http://www.myspace.com/sincetheflood Check em out.

entirelyturbo · Post by **entirelyturbo** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:01 pm

Our discussion really can't continue much farther anyway Steve.

As big-headed as it sounds, we're on the verge of going beyond the limits of human comprehension.

And I don't remember which circle of the Inferno it's in, but there is a section devoted strictly to people who try to go beyond the limits of their mind.

Not that I care. I'm probably going to a circle lower than that.

In context, it's funny that you refer to your Dante character.

No music, I'm at work.

evolutionmovement · Post by **evolutionmovement** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:03 pm

Lightnin' Hopkins - A Man Like Me Is Hard To Find

Hardcore always reminds me of my Mormon roommate at design school.

Does anyone listen to Agoraphobic Nosebleed?

SubaruNation · Post by **SubaruNation** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 12:26 am

mattyg41383 wrote:
SubaruNation wrote:are they like underoath?
From what I know, underoath is kind of emo / sing songy. S

http://www.myspace.com/sincetheflood Check em out.

well you don't know underoath that well...

yeah i like bury your dead so i'll look em' up
thanks!

jamal · Post by **jamal** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 1:32 am

I've been on a Police kick lately. Also Rush.

entirelyturbo · Post by **entirelyturbo** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 1:55 am

I'm still on my German kick.

Rammstein - Wollt Ihr Das Bett In Flammen Sehen

It sounds a lot better through an upgraded audio card

EDIT: Make that 4.1 surround sound through an upgraded sound card

Post by **DLC** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 2:07 am

The new Hot Chip - Made in the Dark is pretty good.

entirelyturbo · Post by **entirelyturbo** » Thu Feb 07, 2008 3:46 am

Unheilig - Zauberer

Steve, what does Agoraphobic Nosebleed sound like?

evolutionmovement · Post by **evolutionmovement** » Thu Feb 07, 2008 3:58 am

Garbage. It's grindcore. It's a sort-of friend's band. He's a really cool guy, but damn that "music". The guitarist from *ahem* AC is in it or he's on one of the albums or something. It's horrible, unlisteneable noise, but I was curious if anyone bought that stuff. He actually has fans - ones he doesn't know personally and, of course, people like AC if only to say the name and offend people that are easily offended.

But if anyone needs a tattoo or piercing near Springfield MA, this guy owns two shops and has some kick-ass artists there.

Thrones - Django

entirelyturbo · Post by **entirelyturbo** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 6:17 am

I can't get into hardcore stuff either. I'm all for loud and heavy guitars, but it has to be at least somewhat melodic.

Most of these hardcore bands almost sound like they're deliberately trying to NOT make music, just make as much noise as possible.

Like running an Ecotec open-header

One of the funniest YouTube videos I've seen yet is a Trivium parody:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNLDLyeepVs&NR=1

Haha, I'm sitting here critiquing hardcore music and listening to Ace of Base - Beautiful Life

Post by **DLC** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 6:20 am

Fabric 24: Ivan Smagghe

entirelyturbo · Post by **entirelyturbo** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:54 am

One last bump...

I'll post my list update from my last.fm profile:

what huh · Post by **what huh** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:42 pm

she wants revange - what i want

SubaruNation · Post by **SubaruNation** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:32 am

Jay-Z --Dirt off your shoulder

Richard · Post by **Richard** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 4:05 am

SubaruNation wrote:Jay-Z --Dirt off your shoulder

Good one indeed.

Right now - Apache Indian-Boomshack-a-lak

AKA Dumb and Dumber song

SubaruNation · Post by **SubaruNation** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:51 pm

Richard wrote:
SubaruNation wrote:Jay-Z --Dirt off your shoulder
Good one indeed.

Right now - Apache Indian-Boomshack-a-lak

AKA Dumb and Dumber song

YES!

what huh · Post by **what huh** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 11:47 pm

JET - Look What Have Done

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