AWIC Intercooler GROUP BUY! Silver or black!

THAWA · Post by **THAWA** » Sat Mar 27, 2004 5:45 am

According to rslibclub the silver were on jdm legacies and the gold were only on the rs-ra's. I really couldn't tell ya if thats right or not. just relaying the info

TheSubaruJunkie · Post by **TheSubaruJunkie** » Sat Mar 27, 2004 6:19 am

Im IN!! I vote for silver, but im not picky. It'll probably end up re-painted anyhow. You could probably ship THAWA, Ryan and mine in the same box and save on S&H considering how close we all are.

ETA on arival?

-Brian

THAWA · Post by **THAWA** » Sat Mar 27, 2004 6:29 am

or even just save all the shipping and have one of us pick it up (road trip anyone?) or bring it with ya next time you come up to s2

vrg3 · Post by **vrg3** » Sat Mar 27, 2004 6:49 am

I would be in for sure. I voted silver but the color is minimally important.

vrg3 · Post by **vrg3** » Sat Mar 27, 2004 6:52 am

Oh yeah, would it come with the compressor-to-intercooler pipe?

georryan · Post by **georryan** » Sat Mar 27, 2004 8:05 am

Everything I've read basically says that the compressor to incooler pipe won't work unless you have a turbo that is angled the right way (like the td04).

If you have a td04, it could be nice because there is no place to connect the diverter valve on the intercooler itself, because on that version it was plummed into the turbo to intercooler pipe.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

-Ryan

THAWA · Post by **THAWA** » Sat Mar 27, 2004 8:19 am

would we be able to use an elbow with maybe an extension/reducer/increaser whatever

J-MoNeY · Post by **J-MoNeY** » Sat Mar 27, 2004 9:16 am

I'm in. Sign me up!

mgardenier · Post by **mgardenier** » Sat Mar 27, 2004 12:01 pm

i am thinking im in too. I am wondering how much more is gonna be needed to install this thing. and is anyof it gonna be hard to source?

Michael

rB5 · Post by **rB5** » Sat Mar 27, 2004 6:45 pm

Definitely count me in as well. I voted Silver just to be different.

-B

CobraCDR · Post by **CobraCDR** » Mon Mar 29, 2004 5:47 am

Put me in too color doesn't matter only HP! Let me know where and when to send paymant!

Thanks!

Spent today at the dyno with the Cobra; made 442RWHP/418RWTQ (526 crank HP) . I'm FINALLY happy with that, now ready to spend some time biulding the legacy.

Cheers!
Doug

teaguespeed · Post by **teaguespeed** » Mon Mar 29, 2004 6:58 am

I'll take one.

By the way, for forty bucks, you could by a bunch of them and make a buttload on ebay.

ciper · Post by **ciper** » Mon Mar 29, 2004 7:18 pm

This has been better than I expected.

Ill wait a few more days.

Although a few extra parts may be available I say dont expect them to be included. Some may have the cooler-throttle body hose (this is just a short straight part). A couple turbo to cooler hose will be available, but at an extra charge. Realize they will need modification to fit the stock turbo.

Also remember you will have to pay shipping and handling, If your in the US Id guess total under 80$?

mTk · Post by **mTk** » Mon Mar 29, 2004 7:20 pm

Count me in, i had originally said no, but there's no harm in having an AWIC handy.

Black.

MK

vrg3 · Post by **vrg3** » Mon Mar 29, 2004 7:24 pm

ciper, can you get clarification on whether the air inlet pipe is considered an "extra part?" It's the only part of the system that wouldn't be easy to fabricate or use substitute parts for.

THAWA · Post by **THAWA** » Mon Mar 29, 2004 8:03 pm

So assuming its just the intercooler, we're probably looking at:
$20 in coolant hoses
$5 ic/throttle tube
$50+ turbo-i/c hose(s) assuming you use silicon
$20 various clamps

Those are real conservative prices im sure someone has the hook up somewhere and can get that stuff for hella cheap or you have some stuff lying around at home, but if you're just buying it all from home depot or something thats about right

the two things I'm not sure about though are water pump and radiator. I believe you mentioned using the heater core from a legacy. I'm also rememebring that diy pc watercoolers use heater cores from 78 chevelles (or chevettes I dont know chevys) so it sounds probable. And since pc watercooling is pretty much the same as any other type of cooling, I'm looking at the pumps they use. It's not hard to fine one that flows 150 gph for less than 40 bucks and most run off of dc power so there's no worries about that. I dont know what anyone else is planning on using, but those sound like an easy deal. I figure if they can cool down a cpu that'll run at about 50C down to around 20C they have to be good pumps. But I really don't know what the temp changes should be for an AWIC. If anyone has that info it'd be good to know, I'm sure it might be in that "limit for AWIC thread" but it got too long for me to be interested in

so all total you're looking at around $200-250 including the intercooler, does that sound about right?

ciper · Post by **ciper** » Mon Mar 29, 2004 8:16 pm

vrg3: Air Inlet pipe? You mean from the turbo to the intercooler?

THAWA: I wouldnt plan on using the heater core alone, its VERY small and Im using it in addition to the front mounted cores.

The two best pumps I have found are both jabsco
18510-0020, 15 gpm, direct drive, 150$
59500-0012, 3.9 gpm, magnetic drive 130$

Surprisng enough the second pump was designed with intercooling in mind. Many vehicles use this or an equivalent on the stock setup. You can go far cheaper but these two pumps are for continious use (high hour rating), low power consumption, and rated for high temperatures.

If you look at the size of the stock radiator on the Liberty/Legacy you will see than an equivalent RV transmission cooler can be used.

THAWA · Post by **THAWA** » Mon Mar 29, 2004 8:27 pm

Hmm, so maybe two or three heatercores in series but that sounds kind silly when you could just use one larger radiator.

How many gallons does the pump need to push? And would pumping too much water create problems? Like the water wouldnt be able to get cooled?

About how big is the lib a/w rad, I've only seen the diagram in the manual and can't tell from it.

How many watts do the two pumps listed consume?

ciper · Post by **ciper** » Mon Mar 29, 2004 8:37 pm

" kind silly when you could just use one larger radiator"

So your telling me I can get a radiator to bend around the hood support and somehow stretch under the hood scoop? You misunderstand why I have more than one.

Guessing by the images Ive see Id guess the stock unit is about 9x12x3/4

The pump speed probably depends on how much power you need. The ratings on most pumps eqaute to a far higher speed when installed in the car. I bet the one rated for 3.9GPM is closer to 10 GPM.

In the stock setup the ECU detects boost pressure and turns the pump on high speed. I bet we could find the FSM page with flow ratings.

vrg3 · Post by **vrg3** » Mon Mar 29, 2004 8:42 pm

ciper wrote:vrg3: Air Inlet pipe? You mean from the turbo to the intercooler?

From what I understand, there are two parts -- one is just a plastic pipe that goes from the turbo to the intercooler's air inlet pipe. This plastic piece has the fitting on it for the blowoff valve.

Then there's the air inlet pipe that goes from that plastic pipe to a flange on the back of the air/water intercooler. That flange joint is the part I'm thinking of when I say it'd be hard to fabricate.

Is not that the case?

THAWA · Post by **THAWA** » Mon Mar 29, 2004 8:51 pm

ciper wrote:" kind silly when you could just use one larger radiator"

So your telling me I can get a radiator to bend around the hood support and somehow stretch under the hood scoop? You misunderstand why I have more than one.

No I was thinking you were using a normal sized rad and another core right next to it. Didn't know you were using one near the scoop. which is why I thought it'd be silly to have like three little rads in the front when you could just have one larger radiator. Then again I don't know hwich would be the best. But I see what you're doing now.

vikash, I thought the flange was part of the IC, but yes, if it doesn't come with that, then you can count me out of this buy.

Still curious about two things though, Is flowing too much water bad, and how many watts do those pumps consume?

ciper · Post by **ciper** » Mon Mar 29, 2004 10:47 pm

Here is an image to help undersand the size of a stock setup

VRG3: Are you thinking that the intercooler inlet pipe is a seperate part like the bottom of an AAIC? Its not, they are welded together! Ill find an image. Thawa actually found an ebay auction showing the bottom of an RA unit that would help.

vrg3 · Post by **vrg3** » Mon Mar 29, 2004 10:52 pm

Ah, thanks for the clarification, ciper. I was indeed thinking it was a separate part. I didn't know it was welded together. That's pretty cool.

THAWA · Post by **THAWA** » Mon Mar 29, 2004 10:58 pm

from pjgaerlan's post:

ciper · Post by **ciper** » Mon Mar 29, 2004 11:45 pm

Good one, here is another

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