Ate a Legacy tonight @ red light.

[dzx]

I'd like some of that action

[kelley]

Like i said, bring all your Legacys over here, and i'll have some fun with you all (except maybe kelley's and rsstiboy). Of course, I never said i would use MY legacy....or even a subaru for that matter.......

Seriously though, i smell a rematch coming up between you too soon

oh come on, I want to play

[elkaboom]

I'm going to get in on this not because I know anyone involved, but because there are two turbo Legacy's (I know the driver of one) in my area, and I've "kinda sorta" raced them both, somewhat recently.
After reading through the posts on this board for over a year, I honestly thought Legacy SS's would be a lot faster than they really are.
Well, they're not all that quick in relation to an n/a -at least in my experience.
I'm not suggesting that my car is some kind of super fast n/a or anything, but apparently it's quick -I've alway's thought it was anyway.
I know that if I were to go up against something genuinely fast (like Phil's car, apparently, or Boostjunkie's old car), I'd be toast w/ jam, but I have to say, for a non-turbo charged car, my car is pretty zippy.
I'm crazy about regular maintainence and keeping things stock, but after speeding alongside a turbo on no fewer that 3 different occasions, I'm not as impressed as I thought I would be. I still adore these cars, but unless we're talking late model Soob (WRX, Sti, next gen LegacyGT, etc), Legacy SS's are'nt all that impressive.

[Tleg93]

Well, it's known that they're only 165 hp as compared to the 146 hp or something of the NA version. They have more torque at a lower rpm. Other than that they not much quicker in a stock configuration unless you install an MBC, intercooler, FCD, and TB exhaust system, and have them properly tuned. Then they are tons quicker.

[elkaboom]

Hehe, granted, $1000.00 bucks worth of mods would make almost any car a little faster, but Legacy SS's simply aren't all that fast when all's said and done. Hell, look at Douglas Vincents super charged, nitrous spun n/a machine: mid 14's? Even Phil was saying he was running mid 14's or low 15's from the trap with his big turbo (if I'm mistaken Phil, I totally appologize).
Look, I love Subaru's, and if I could lay my hands on an SS, I'd snatch it up in a second, but let's be realistic -these cars aren't all that fast.

[scottzg]

It's just a matter of replacing the parts that make the car torquey rather than fast- the lilliputian turbo, the dinky fuel injectors, the incapable ecu, the too-small-for-big-hp exhaust, the intercooler that people replace with a coffee cup... The legacy turbo has the potential for big hp #'s just like a chevy truck with a 454 has a lot of potential.

[legacy92ej22t]

Hahaha, they can be very, very fast with only minor mods actually. That is such a generalistic statement. Stock they aren't really that fast but modded they can be monsters. Phil was running those 1/4's at around 11 psi. That is well below where the 16G should be running at. When I was running on all cylinders a friend of mine was only slightly pulling on me in his '05 STI. Are they slow too? 0-60 in 4.9 is faster then some super cars. I would have bet money that my car would have ran a high to mid 13 second run if my car was healthy.
They can be wicked fast if done right. Unfortunately for me I tried to cut a corner and am paying for it. Still though, they have more potential then you can imagine. Don't think that just because a 2.2 N/A can hold it's own through 1st and 2nd against a stock SS that they have anywhere near the same potential for power, they don't. If you rode in a modded SS I can garauntee that you'd be impressed. They can be straight up scarey fast.

[dzx]

I haven't had too many cars hold their own against me in first or second gear. Only an STI that smoked me in fifth but we started at about 65 and before i started really modding my car.

[evolutionmovement]

I had one of the quickest N/As here by what people have posted for times, but Matt's car was FAST and a beat-down turbo I looked to buy was fairly quick with just the boost turned up a little on the stock turbo (according to the lying owner). I'd say that one was running low-mid 15's and you need to keep in mind that almost everything is fast today, so comparing to new cars is unrealistic. In their day they were pretty impressive stock.

Steve

[douglas vincent]

Taking it to a real track is the only real way to "prove" if you car is truely fast or butt dyno fast. My car WAS fast, for an older legacy, until I blew it up getting greedy, but even then it was smoked by many a new "stock" vehicle.

However, by taking it to a track, when it was pure stock, to when it was FAST, to how it is now, fast as heck (ie, fast as a stock SS), I at least have numbers to back up my points of opinion.

My point? As usual, this is the internet, you make one up!

[dzx]

My legacy always felt slow riding inside, but when i raced my friend's 3000gt, he said it just took off and was gone. That was with a 4.11 tranny, lightweight flywheel, exedy clutch, 3" stainless steel catless exhaust with an invidia downpipe and about 11 psi (there was some play in the wastegate inside the stock turbo that it would need more pressure to open)

Likewise, when i raced a honda civic hatchback that ran a 16 at bandimere (had the number pasted on the window), i put about 5 lengths on him right off the start and was just pulling away like he was standing still, we ended up stoping at taco bell cause he wanted to see what was under my hood. He claimed he was used to the better grip on the track but i didn't hear his tires.

Then a 5.0 early 90's mustang was about 3 car lengths back after 60 mph with my gf and heavy stereo system in the car (not saying my gf is heavy lol, speakers in the trunk with the box weigh more than she does).

The only car I've been beaten by was a '04 sti and that wasn't really a contest. About 55 mph on since we were on the highway, and she was on my ass the whole way, then i got out of the way and she was gone. Now i've got my 16G and even at stock boost with the 17" wheels on its faster although not enough to take the sti yet.

[scottzg]

I agree, the potential is there, a turbo leg could be a real terror. Unfortunately, thats all a stock turbo has; bottled up potential.

Tuned from the factory, there's no reason why the ej2#t couldnt produce 220hp and be reliable and have a very comfortable powerband. That's basically what they did in foreign markets. Here though, they castrated it in the name of torque. So, while you can get appreciable gain just by cranking up the boost, to really have a turbo fly you really have to do some fairly extensive work.

A few people around here are producing a fair bit of power, but they have either done this work or they're running parts at maximum load. Who is dumping all the fuel the injectors can squirt because the maf is overwhelmed? Who is all the way off the compressor map on their 12a? How often do we hear "and i didnt hit fuel cut!" ?

And im sorry, i didnt mean to imply any of you guys would be the types that would build "drag GMC's"

[TurboLegacy]

3000gt sl's are slow , 226 hp , 16 sec 1/4, heavy. my car is fast enough to beat almost any stock non-sports car. i dont like you people that say sport sedans are slow, ive badly beaten many n/a legacys.

[scottzg]

But you've modified your car.

[dzx]

Mine was always noticeably quicker than my natural aspirated car but maybe thats because it was running ten lbs of boost when i got it due to a wastegate problem.