I have DSL!!!

totech · Post by **totech** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 9:45 pm

Josh,

The sigs are universal, but the engine in 9.0 is newer. It is able to detect more viruses and how they are hidden.

I have installed 9.0 on pc's with 8.1 and the latest sigs. 9.0 then scanned and found viruses.

The key is in the scanning engine - otherwise you still can install nav 7.5 and apply the latest sigs.

Post by **Legacy777** » Sat Nov 06, 2004 2:24 am

hmmm.....well I do have 9 as well.....it's installed on my laptop. All my other pcs have 8.1 on them.

IMO though....he'll be fine with 8.1

if i get around to putting 9 on my server, I'll update my link

AWD_addict · Post by **AWD_addict** » Sat Nov 06, 2004 9:04 am

Here, get Ad-aware. You'll be amazed how much crap this finds.

http://www.lavasoftusa.com/software/adaware

isotopeman · Post by **isotopeman** » Sat Nov 06, 2004 1:47 pm

If BellSouth ever joins so many other DSL providers in binding with Yahoo and asks/tells you to join in, refuse. The Enternet x00 connection method they've switched to is "cheaper" and less secure.
A neighbor and I have split our cable internet behind a router for two years without a single virus, trojan, etc. He works for a department store that sells PC's. He has not seen a single PC come back because it had been rendered unusable by viruses and other parasites that had not been connected to the Yahoo DSL.
I'm not sure if you said you're running XP or not, but if you are, use XP's connection utility rather than what's on the installation disk they sent you. It's more secure. The others are right too in that a router helps. Good Luck
-tom

eastbaysubaru · Post by **eastbaysubaru** » Sat Nov 06, 2004 6:04 pm

Again, if you're on high speed internet and you're not behind a router, good luck. EVERYONE on a broadband connection should be using a router and some form of virus protection. If you're not, you're going to be extremely sorry at some point. Whether it's spy/adware, or a virus of some sort, you won't be able to escape it.

-Brian

entirelyturbo · Post by **entirelyturbo** » Sat Nov 06, 2004 6:11 pm

I'm probably going to go get a router today, so I should be okay.

I've already got 2 virii quarantined though, I wonder if I had those before and NAV 8.1 just now recognized them or what...

entirelyturbo · Post by **entirelyturbo** » Sun Nov 07, 2004 8:36 am

Okay, now I'm fucking pissed.

I got a Linksys router today, it's specifically a broadband firewall router, and I tried setting it up. I had every last light on both the router and the DSL modem lit up as it was supposed to be. I had everything hooked up perfectly. It would not work at all.

I got some help from IggDawg and he did really good, but still no dice. I called up BellSouth, they were no help at all. I called Linksys, they gave me a URL to try.

I went to go re-hook up my DSL modem to try it, and now I can't get internet through it!!! I have everything hooked up right, but for some reason, it just won't get internet. I'm posting this now on the 56k connection.

This is why I hate my life sometimes. No matter what I do, no matter how many things I try, I always get the ass end of the experience. Nothing ever goes right for me.

Binford · Post by **Binford** » Sun Nov 07, 2004 8:48 am

You have to follow the directions that come with it exactly, in order. I'm no expert, but I just set up the same thing myself for my wireless connection. My guess is after setting it up, you still have to shut down your computer, unplug the router, restart computer, then plug in the router. They are then on the same address with each other. I did this with a wireless card in my laptop, with a stationary IP address, so it may be different. Just throwing out some ideas. Go back and follow directions carefully. It took me about four times to finally get it right.

vrg3 · Post by **vrg3** » Sun Nov 07, 2004 2:13 pm

I don't know about your DSL modem in particular, but the cable modems I've played with all had to be power-cycled (including a ~30-second shutoff period) before they'd recognize a different device plugged into them. The router has a different hardware address (a kind of signature) than the computer, so ... didja happen to power cycle the DSL modem?

Realize, man, that most people have problems getting routers to work. They're mostly pretty crappy, designed to be sold rather than used. After Apple's AirPort base station worked so well so cheaply, everyone jumped on the bandwagon, but nobody bothered to do the same thorough engineering.

entirelyturbo · Post by **entirelyturbo** » Sun Nov 07, 2004 6:28 pm

I've done the power-cycling thing about 5 times now, I left both the DSL modem and the router off for 2 hours at one point while I did something else, then came back, turned the modem on (Internet light refuses to come on), turn the router on, then turn the computer on. Nothing. I'm still on 56k.

I followed all the instructions on the CD-ROM perfectly, and it refused to work.

I'm gonna do some more playing I guess, and maybe if Josh or someone else gets online in the course of the day, get them to help me...

vrg3 · Post by **vrg3** » Sun Nov 07, 2004 6:32 pm

There's an "internet light" on the DSL modem that's not coming on? That seems like it doesn't really have to do with the router then... Hmm.

entirelyturbo · Post by **entirelyturbo** » Sun Nov 07, 2004 6:50 pm

Yeah, that's what I don't understand. The DSL light is on though, so the modem is talking to the phone jack...

vrg3 · Post by **vrg3** » Sun Nov 07, 2004 7:33 pm

Maybe you have to tell your DSL provider you're using a different hardware address or something?

Or maybe the "internet" light just means the modem is successfully talking to the computer.

Is there a reset button somewhere on the DSL modem? Maybe the kind that you have to press with an unbent paper clip?

entirelyturbo · Post by **entirelyturbo** » Sun Nov 07, 2004 10:16 pm

Wouldn't power-cycling do the same as resetting it?

I told BellSouth I was trying to set it up through a Linksys router, and he tried to help me do that by setting up the router through its IP. But he said he was just using screenshots of a Linksys setup screen, and what I was seeing was absolutely nothing like what he was seeing.

I thought the Internet light meant that the modem was successfully talking to the phone jack, and thusly the Internet.

I tried pinging the router, if anyone wants to see that I'll post it.

vrg3 · Post by **vrg3** » Sun Nov 07, 2004 10:21 pm

Power cycling and completely resetting are different. The router's got some non-volatile memory where it stores all its settings and stuff. Power cycling just reboots it but resetting it clears that memory. Liken it to rebooting your computer vs. reinstalling Windows.

Did pinging the router work? What address did you try to ping?

entirelyturbo · Post by **entirelyturbo** » Sun Nov 07, 2004 11:01 pm

I reset the modem to no avail. The Internet light will still not come on. scottzg thinks that maybe my ISP lost a connection or something and I might need to call them and reset it.

I pinged the router and it replied. It sent 4 packets and they were all received. I pinged it at the router's IP address.

vrg3 · Post by **vrg3** » Sun Nov 07, 2004 11:10 pm

Yeah, I think I might agree with Scott...

The router's IP address was 192.168.0.1 or something to that effect, right? And you're also able to ping your own computer at its address too, right?

entirelyturbo · Post by **entirelyturbo** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 1:58 am

Router's IP was 192.168.1.1. I didn't try to ping my own computer.

Josh hacked in to my comp for a few mins and checked some things (thanks Josh!

) and he did see that my LAN settings didn't have a dynamic IP setup like they were supposed to, but everything else pretty much checked out.

I have these possible theories:
- My modem is pissed that I'm using 56k on the same line
- I have a bad DSL filter, I have 3 other ones that came with the package that I can try
- There's something wrong with my ISP (the most probable if you ask me)

I'm not going to give up, from what you all have told me, no one gets a network set up right the first time. So I'm going to try to have patience on this...

vrg3 · Post by **vrg3** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 2:06 am

If you've got the 3 other filters, I'd say to go ahead and try them if they're easily swapped. But the DSL connection did work before...

How'd you successfully communicate with the router if you didn't have it set to get a dynamic IP address? Did you just get lucky and already have it set to something on the 192.168.1.something subnet?

Are you using the 56k connection at the same time as trying to use the DSL connection? It is possible that they're disagreeing with each other. I'm not well versed in today's modern telephone systems, but I do know that 56k modems do take advantage of some digital voodoo in the phone system.

entirelyturbo · Post by **entirelyturbo** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 5:36 am

It was pretty dumb. I somehow cleared my username and password out in one of the many times I power-cycled it

Put the username and password in and the Internet light came right on

But that still doesn't solve the router issue. Josh was nice enough to do all kinds of stuff for me, we changed IP addresses and did some more power-cycling and nothing worked.

I've had two people come over and try to play with it, but no one can get anything to work. I'm really running out of patience here...

vrg3 · Post by **vrg3** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 6:35 am

Hehe, well at least you're back online at high speed.

Do you know if your DSL modem uses PPP-over-ethernet (sometimes just called PPPoE) rather than TCP/IP? Maybe that's the hiccup in configuring the router?

Post by **Legacy777** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 3:33 pm

subyluvr2212 wrote:It was pretty dumb. I somehow cleared my username and password out in one of the many times I power-cycled it Put the username and password in and the Internet light came right on

But that still doesn't solve the router issue. Josh was nice enough to do all kinds of stuff for me, we changed IP addresses and did some more power-cycling and nothing worked.

I've had two people come over and try to play with it, but no one can get anything to work. I'm really running out of patience here...

I asked you if you had to do anything to get it to connect!! You said no......however you just said you had to put in a username and password......so that means you have a little connectoid thingy you have to run to connect correct?????

You need to setup the router for PPOE and put in the username and password for where it asks.

With PPOE...or at least bellsouths.....he's pretty safe from anyone on the internet from trying to hack him, since his IP is an internal IP address. However it's still a good idea to have a router since other bellsouth people could try to get in.

entirelyturbo · Post by **entirelyturbo** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 4:00 pm

Crap, sorry Josh. I apparently cleared out that username and password in the power-cycling, I called Bellsouth and they told me to type in the modem's IP and enter the username and password I'd been using for my dial-up service, and ta-da, my Internet light came on.

The people I had over last night tried PPPoE, and they said I should try putting my username and password into the router settings. I couldn't get that to work though.

But if that's a possibility, I'll try playing around with it some more today.

Post by **Legacy777** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 7:41 pm

subyluvr2212 wrote:Crap, sorry Josh. I apparently cleared out that username and password in the power-cycling, I called Bellsouth and they told me to type in the modem's IP and enter the username and password I'd been using for my dial-up service, and ta-da, my Internet light came on.

cleared the username & pass from what? The modem itself? Was the modem IP that 192.168 number you told me yesterday?

subyluvr2212 wrote:The people I had over last night tried PPPoE, and they said I should try putting my username and password into the router settings. I couldn't get that to work though.

But if that's a possibility, I'll try playing around with it some more today.

The more and more I hear about dsl the more and more I HATE IT!

vrg3 · Post by **vrg3** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 7:51 pm

Oh yeah... there's this weird mode that some broadband modems go into when they can't connect to the outside world. They form a private subnet so you can access their diagnostics, typically somewhere in the 192.168.0.0 B-class range... That would probably really screw with a router that's trying to do NAT.

Why exactly is XP's builtin firewall not up to the task of protecting subyluvr2212's computer?

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