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Indeed. . . I can barely stuff 8" wide rims under MY wheelwells. . . and the 2005s COME with that width.

22B-style flares. I need a garage, dammit.

Steve

well my style is 14x5.5 steelies w/no covers.

i dont wash it.

it has no trunk interior and big plastic mudflaps.

LedJetta wrote:well i wouldnt exactly call 8" superwide, but i have my ways. the wheels can be past flush with the fenders, but the tires dont have to be...remember i am also a vw guy.

I can't tell if you are being serious....

Why would you run a rim wider than the tire you are mounting? That's about the dumbest thing you can do! It's even dangerous! Not to mention the looks.

Now I HAVE to get the pictures of my car online so people know how a tire SHOULD sit on a rim.

THAWA wrote: I just said I can't explain it well, you dont need to reiterate it. Do what you want, when you have to replace your bearings you'll have to replace your bearings.

ok my point is this. dont call me out on something if you cant back it up with facts. i will respond to fact, not speculation.

THAWA wrote: I don't get it, you want to know what we're into, then when we tell you, you think it sucks, and proceed to talk down to us. Why even ask if you're going to be rude if the response isnt what you want to hear? and 8" is superwide, considering the stock wheels are 5.5".

i have not told anyone their style sucks at all, i have merely stated my position on the issue and defended my claims. most of the people who responded in fact told me they didnt like MY style, which i am fine with, i expected it. and most of the others didnt even keep on topic.

if you feel like i am talking down you i am sorry that was not my intention. i want to hang out here and learn more about this wagon i just got. i was trying to start some new conversation on here and it atleast appears i have stirred the pot a bit.

also, the way you get wider rims under the fenders is run a slightly undersized width tire. its called stretching, its been done in japan and europe on vws and jdm stuff for years. it is not unsafe if not done too extremely and i enjoy its asthetics highly. i have run 205/40s on my 16x8s on my jetta for a year no problem.

and i am pretty sure my stock alloys are 15x6.

People say the bearings are weak, but I had a slightly high offset wheel for years and still have my original bearings all around.

Steve

205/40 on an 8" rim? Jesus!

Why? You aren't taking advantage of the full potential of the wheel width. The point of a wide wheel is to maximize the section width of rubber you can put on the ground with out having the car roll over onto the sidewall of the tire.

It might not be dangerous, but it's FAR from optimal. I am 100% positive that your 205 on an 8" rim will handle SIGNIFICANTLY worse than my 225's on a 7.5" rim. Given identical setups, my setup will put more rubber to the road, and provide less rollover onto the sidewalls. The result will be a higher breakaway threshold, and increased tire lifespan (since I won't be wearing the sidewalls). Not to mention the increased load capacity.

However, if your "style" is wide rims on narrow tires, then be my guest, and fulfill your dreams. I can understand someone's appeal to asthetics more than performance, however much it varies from my own goals. It's your car.

My personal opinion: Get tires that fit the wheels, and keep everything inside the fenders.

hahaha...over in vw land that is a VERY mild stretch. the wider wheels in the pic of my subaru are 16x9s with 215/40s hahahahaha. basically the issue is this:

my jetta is not a performance car, it is purely looks and style for me. i have it lowered about 3.5 inches on coilovers...as stiff as they are the coils still ride the bumpstops in spirited driving and the a-arms are pointed WAY up. i understand this is terrbile for handling, but this is the trade off in my mind, i do not drive like a maniac on the street or track the car so i want it to be visually striking.

the reason one stretches tires in the first place is so you can get a very deepdish/wide wheel under a fender that isnt supposed to hold it...the tire still fits inside, or at least fits better, with less rubbing.

i wont do anything nearly this extreme on my subaru, but it may be done in moderation since once again i do not drive hard...i am merely making a point and showing another side of the coin, just like i have seen in here.

for kicks check out vwvortex.com and go to the mk3 section...it is the largest internet forum in the world....

LedJetta wrote:ok my point is this. dont call me out on something if you cant back it up with facts. i will respond to fact, not speculation.

It's funny that you said you can back it up with facts when nothing you stated was a fact. You have a "feeling" such and such, that's not a fact, that's speculation in the purest sense. And for the record I wasn't "calling you out" on anything, I was merely stating something.

But I'm not going to continue argueing with you over the trival things. I offered you advice, you didnt want to take it, lets both just move on.

The problem is that most people on the board are not really into the all show / no go mentality (something a lot of Hondas & VW's have to stick to ). In fact, there is a counter-current here. They ripped all up and down someone with a Legacy that put 19" wheels on his car and slammed it. "It's too low" "I couldn't drive it on MY roads..." "Bet you it doesn't handle good" - blah, blah blah. You would think Subaru drivers had some sort of fiber defficiency from that thread. Just so you know not to expect anything different if you do something "special" to your Legacy.

Also a lot of people seem to be more of the vanilla ice-cream type, if you get my drift. No problem with that, but you gotta know what you're dealing with.

"Be careful who's advice you buy.. but be patient with those who supply it.."

"Advice is a form of Nostalgia. It's taking the past... fishing it from the disposal, wiping away the ugly part, and recycling it for more than it's worth..."

...but trust me on the sunscreen...

anyone? anyone?

Go ahead and "mildly" stretch the tires then. It will look foolish, just as it does in the first pic. It actually looks HIDEOUS. It's your car. You heard most of our styles, so do what you want. Your style is obviously WAY to EDM for, at least my, taste.

I still can't understand the fact of trading performance for looks. What's even worse, is having a car that performs worse than stock, just to acheive a "desired" look.

Please, carry on with your plans. This thread has been less than useful. Your opinion will not change, reguardless of the information (of FACTUAL nature), that we provide. Do what you want, it's obvious you really didn't want our opinions afterall.

I thought that'd be funny for this thread.
Yes, william, we ARE the vanilla type. I like my Subaru things performance oriented, but it's also gotta look CLEAN, and cut. Nothing gawdy or garish here..
However, you are right, we need to respect that other people are doing things with their Legacies that we might not wish; so far, we've been lucky to have an influx of people that want a solid running car that goes fast, and doesn't turn the wrong heads. ..on the flipside of that.. there's a reason some of those people buy WRXs --they've got everything we have AND more, in a more attractive, easy-to-look-at format.
To each his own, yes!

You put a tire on a wheel that was wider than the tire? What keeps the tire on when you corner hard?

LedJetta wrote:also, the way you get wider rims under the fenders is run a slightly undersized width tire. its called stretching, its been done in japan and europe on vws and jdm stuff for years. it is not unsafe if not done too extremely and i enjoy its asthetics highly. i have run 205/40s on my 16x8s on my jetta for a year no problem.

V, I think he's putting a smaller tire on, so that it looks like you're riding blades..ultra low-pro, I guess.

This whole thread is getting ridiculous: LedJetta is being pretty nice about us going off on his aesthetics. His goal for his wagon is obviously aesthetics.
Our crowd here, especially Phil and Hardy, are more of a function-mindset, which, isn't necessarily a bad thing.. I understand where they might be feeling threatened/frustrated right now with this guy --he's not adhering to what we see as the Subaru Mentality/Spirit.. we tend to be a bit more mature and place a precedence on our car's reliability before it turns heads. Some of us don't care who sees our car, anyhow. Its just a Subaru thing.

Tristian - He is putting a narrower tire on a wider rim. When you corner hard, Vikash is right, there isn't much to keep the tire on the rim except a TIGHT bead.

I'm not feeling threatened, I'm just confused as to WHY someone would do something to blatantly make the vehicle perform worse than stock. I understand asthetics, but asthetics at the cost of performing WORSE THAN STOCK? Come on now. Subaru's are understeer machines from the factory (although not as bad as some other brands out there), why would you magnify that with a narrow tire "stretched" on a wide ass rim?

Ironically, my wheels are from a Jetta. The car had 4 different sizes and types of rims/tires on it when I bought it and drove as you would expect. A friend had just bought a new Jetta and replaced the stock wheels and tires. He practically gave me the wheels with the tires from the Jetta. I tossed out the hubcaps of course. Chrome I can live with, but not wheelcovers!
I would have to say then that the style I prefer reflects practicality over aesthetics or performance. I'd lived for years without a car at all, but I can't carry a bike, canoe or a lot of gear on long trips with a motorcycle. The Legacy wagon is great for that. Performance is just a part of the getting-there practicality. ie. if the line I want to follow takes me around a twisting, rising, falling path, then the car should be able to follow it. I see performance in terms of how well the car can go where I need it to.

THAWA wrote: It's funny that you said you can back it up with facts when nothing you stated was a fact. You have a "feeling" such and such, that's not a fact, that's speculation in the purest sense. And for the record I wasn't "calling you out" on anything, I was merely stating something.

dude i never claimed to EVER be stating facts. the whole point of the thread was to ask your OPINIONS on style. opinion is not speculation. i knew i would be a major minority and come under fire for my ideas, and i was okay with that, i wanted to start an interesting debate.

you guys are all so defensive it blows my mind. relax, this is supposed to be a fun hobby. you made a statement, but could not back it up and i told you to give me reason, no more no less friend.

BAC5.2 wrote:I still can't understand the fact of trading performance for looks. What's even worse, is having a car that performs worse than stock, just to acheive a "desired" look.

Please, carry on with your plans. This thread has been less than useful. Your opinion will not change, reguardless of the information (of FACTUAL nature), that we provide. Do what you want, it's obvious you really didn't want our opinions afterall.

put your hackles down dude. just because i defended my position doesnt mean i didnt want your opinion or dont respect it. its called a debate dont be a cry baby. and what great factual information have i been presented with? the only technical questions i have even asked here havent been answered!

and as far as my subaru will go, whatever i do will not hinder the way it performs at all, thats what you guys arent grapsing. i do not drive at 10/10ths, so i am ok if i create a slight bit more understeer or whatever it may be. maybe i wont even do anything to it at all. whatever i do to it wont make it steer uncontrollably off a cliff so do exagerrate what i am saying.

i DO understand the appeal of subarus, its why i love a 1994 station wagon and why i am here. i simply have a different idea about how to make it look.

Brat4x4 wrote:Just so you know not to expect anything different if you do something "special" to your Legacy.

Also a lot of people seem to be more of the vanilla ice-cream type, if you get my drift. No problem with that, but you gotta know what you're dealing with.

i do understand and again its why i started the thread. i am not some chump 16 year old idiot that likes pep boys parts, i work on my cars and i know whats up. i am simply presenting a different POV and i am getting killed for it hahahaha. thanks for your decent insight though, at least there is someone reasonable.

91legacy_sleeper wrote:Our crowd here, especially Phil and Hardy, are more of a function-mindset, which, isn't necessarily a bad thing.. I understand where they might be feeling threatened/frustrated right now with this guy --he's not adhering to what we see as the Subaru Mentality/Spirit.. we tend to be a bit more mature and place a precedence on our car's reliability before it turns heads. Some of us don't care who sees our car, anyhow. Its just a Subaru thing.

most of these things i have brought up were merely for debate i never planned on doing anything terribly extreme to this thing, but you guys see this as some threat to the sacred instituion of subaru. i can tell you take it seriously. i am NOT doing anything that will hurt the reliablity or performance of the car.

and adding to that i would ask is adding a larger turbo, top mount IC, and other complex and problematic equipment adding to the cars reliablity? it would seem to me a lot of that stuff, while undeniably cool and very fun, would be considered going against the "nature" of subarus according to some of your statements...it doesnt work both ways guys.

do most of you guys drive 10/10ths on the street or race every weekend? i am sure some of you race, but if you dont, i cant see much point in modding your car to go faster. thats as pointless as making it look good and hindering performance.

and i still dont see how my maturity level enters into the topic...but anyway, i can tell this hasnt gone over well, you guys dont seem to receptive to this point of view and its cool i guess i kind of expected it to not go over well.

I say go for some wide wheels. I know you aren't going to drift the car but if it's ok for them it will be for you.

Usually I'm the guy with low tolerance, but some of you guys make me look like a Hari Krshna. I personally wouldn't go for his style myself, but I would be glad for the different view point on here - one of the main things stressed at design school was how inspiration can come from the strangest places and how ideas bounce from one thing or person to another to eventually become something that may bear no resemblance to the original (which may have been a bad idea). Someone with a different point of view could offer something that could inspire some mod or whatever that the rest of us wouldn't have thought of without that kick-start idea.

Anyway, he seems like a decent guy to me, not another greensubie, so maybe we should try not to stomp on his neck so much.

Steve

I think this thread is funny. Very entertaining I must say.

As for style, I like the clean, sharp look myself. Maybe a nice set of 17's that are right in line with the fenders. 18's maybe for show but not as my main wheel. Maybe a little bit lowered but nothing extreme. Just one nice solid color for the car too. No big wings, graphics or pin stripes. No Altezza lights or crap like that either. I want the car to look fast but not over done. Wheels, stance and paint are the most important part of style. Less says more in my opinion.

You are misunderstanding me. I don't care what he does to his car. All I was trying to do was give him some advice, he didn't want to take it, so I asked to move on.

legacy92ej22t wrote:I think this thread is funny. Very entertaining I must say.

As for style, I like the clean, sharp look myself. Maybe a nice set of 17's that are right in line with the fenders. 18's maybe for show but not as my main wheel. Maybe a little bit lowered but nothing extreme. Just one nice solid color for the car too. No big wings, graphics or pin stripes. No Altezza lights or crap like that either. I want the car to look fast but not over done. Wheels, stance and paint are the most important part of style. Less says more in my opinion.

i think we are VERY close to a breakthrough here. i am all for subtle emphasis of a cars strong points. i LOVE the way these cars look from the factory. i love the chrome in the trim, i love the boring, tuetonic look. i hate altezzas, big wings, graphics, and wheels over 17". i want the car to look fast and angry sitting still, and i also do not want it to appear overdone by most standards.

the perfect thing in my mind is to take a conservatively styled but attractive car like a vw or a subaru and add some bigtime wheels (i.e. wide bbs rs's or some rare oldschool jdm wheels) and other subtle treatments that make people take a little notice, something that stands out a bit. its an interesting juxtaposition. nothing that the average person would notice, but an enthusiast would be at the very least intrigued by it...its way more fun than bitching up a bmw or porsche, cars that SHOULD NOT be tampered with.

wheels and stance are the most important thing when it comes to a cars appearance BY FAR.

THAWA wrote:You are misunderstanding me. I don't care what he does to his car. All I was trying to do was give him some advice, he didn't want to take it, so I asked to move on.

why dont you ADDRESS me since you are talking ABOUT me in MY thread. i still dont get what your malfunction is. you cannot grasp the fact that you werent giving advice because you were unable to give vaild information. i did not refuse your advice, i simply asked you to provide some more fact to back up your statement. should i simply accept whatever you tell me solely to be nice and not hurt your feelings? i bet you voted for bush didnt you.

Look we don't need to start all this name calling bullshit. Leave that at vwvortex. Obviously you want to hold a grudge no matter what so be mad all you want, I'm done.