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NICO · Post by **NICO** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 7:45 pm

your in buffalo thats very close to where i live im like a hour a way. what type off work you guys do at this shop maybe would could do some bizzness

NuwanD · Post by **NuwanD** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 10:41 pm

Innovative tuning: your not too far at all, next time i go to JA i'll ask yoshio about the autronic plug in ecu... I know he's installed an autronic full standalone ecu in a friends 2000 legacy so he should be familiar with their products... I may decide to go this route as well if all works out...... power is all about tuning

Do you run any canadian rally events at all?

Nomake Wan · Post by **Nomake Wan** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 10:47 pm

IT, didn't know about you! I'll definitely check you guys out, since you're a lot closer (and I actually know my way around Buffalo, unlike Toronto...).

Coolness. I'll send ya a PM.

Innovative Tuning · Post by **Innovative Tuning** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 11:15 pm

NICO I WRX U wrote:your in buffalo thats very close to where i live im like a hour a way. what type off work you guys do at this shop maybe would could do some bizzness

Parts, Install, Service, Fabrication - exhaust, IC piping, intake piping etc. (plus I have some guys that make cages and harness bars for me locally), Engine Management Tuning, 2WD Dyno Dynamics Chassis Dyno. AWD street/track tuning with wideband is available. We focus on Subaru, Mitsubishi, Honda, but get into other cars as well.

NuwanD wrote:Innovative tuning: your not too far at all, next time i go to JA i'll ask yoshio about the autronic plug in ecu... I know he's installed an autronic full standalone ecu in a friends 2000 legacy so he should be familiar with their products... I may decide to go this route as well if all works out...... power is all about tuning

Do you run any canadian rally events at all?

We deal with Autronic standalones, but I haven't had my hands on the 95-96 WRX plug in to know if that will work in a legacy SS.

I haven't done any Canadian rally events, but if our schedule permits I'd love to.

Nomake Wan wrote:IT, didn't know about you! I'll definitely check you guys out, since you're a lot closer (and I actually know my way around Buffalo, unlike Toronto...).

Coolness. I'll send ya a PM.

Sounds good. We're very easy to get to. If you're on the Thruway (route 90) westbound you take the route 400 exit right after the downtown Buffalo exits and we're a 1/4 mile from the Transit Rd. North exit.

-Mike

NICO · Post by **NICO** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 1:53 am

not to bad we should all hook up one day and meet in niagra falls area and have a little meet out there i am down for the casino and strip joints.

about this Autronic standalones how much would they cost. also could you get me a front bumper usa style for my new 95 impreza if you can hook me up very well i am in for sure i will BRING CASH US DOLLERS that way i dont have to pay all types of fees. you can make some money and i can make some money every one likes extra cash around. let me no.

Innovative Tuning · Post by **Innovative Tuning** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 3:06 am

NICO I WRX U wrote:not to bad we should all hook up one day and meet in niagra falls area and have a little meet out there i am down for the casino and strip joints.

about this Autronic standalones how much would they cost. also could you get me a front bumper usa style for my new 95 impreza if you can hook me up very well i am in for sure i will BRING CASH US DOLLERS that way i dont have to pay all types of fees. you can make some money and i can make some money every one likes extra cash around. let me no.

I'd be up for a meet if it's on the US side. The rally car is "street legal" but hitting border crossing with it isasking for trouble.

Autronic makes universal standalone ECU's as well as plug and play ecu's for a few cars, an amazing ignition box, wideband o2 meter, and some other related parts.

I'm trying to figure out if the plug and play standalone ECU for the 95/96 WRX will work in a 90-94 Legacy SS. I have a call into the US distributor for Autronic, but haven't heard back yet. I'd like to see if there's a plug and play option before I go wiring up a universal unit.

Let me know if you want a new or used bumper.

-Mike

vrg3 · Post by **vrg3** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 5:22 pm

Well... Does the Autronic have its own MAP and IAT sensors, or does it somehow use the MAF sensor? If it's the former, that should be good.

And can the Autronic be told to drive a waste spark coilpack instead of individual coils? If so, that should be good too.

Aside from the very limited MAF sensor and the waste spark ignition, the 91-94 (no 1990 model) Legacy Turbo's ECU is externally pretty much the same as the early WRX's.

Innovative Tuning · Post by **Innovative Tuning** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 9:40 pm

vrg3 wrote:Well... Does the Autronic have its own MAP and IAT sensors, or does it somehow use the MAF sensor? If it's the former, that should be good.

And can the Autronic be told to drive a waste spark coilpack instead of individual coils? If so, that should be good too.

Aside from the very limited MAF sensor and the waste spark ignition, the 91-94 (no 1990 model) Legacy Turbo's ECU is externally pretty much the same as the early WRX's.

The autronic standalone has it's own MAP sensor built in, but I'm interested in the plug in unit which uses stock sensors. It runs in speed density mode for tuning, so the MAF isn't an issue.

The early WRX's had 4 channel ignition? If so then I'll throw a 4 channel ignition on my legacy. That's not a problem.

-Mike

vrg3 · Post by **vrg3** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 9:44 pm

I'd say I'm 95% sure the WRX Autronic setup would work on a Legacy Turbo then. You probably just have to switch it to waste spark mode, or convert to coil-on-plug as you say.

Kelley, of Perfection Motorsports (look in the Vendor Garage) does sell an Autronic setup for the Legacy Turbo already, I believe.

Innovative Tuning · Post by **Innovative Tuning** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 10:10 pm

vrg3 wrote:I'd say I'm 95% sure the WRX Autronic setup would work on a Legacy Turbo then. You probably just have to switch it to waste spark mode, or convert to coil-on-plug as you say.

Kelley, of Perfection Motorsports (look in the Vendor Garage) does sell an Autronic setup for the Legacy Turbo already, I believe.

As I mentioned earlier, I'm an Autronic dealer myself, it just seems that the distributor doens't know if this will work because they don't have this car overseas in the same form we do to try it. I'll see if they can send me one to give it a shot.

-Mike

simonasaur · Post by **simonasaur** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:01 am

boostjunkie wrote:
91legacy_sleeper wrote:How about proper tuning and modification? That also poses problems.
..but I'm biased.
Yeah, proper tune. That's why I'm thinking a new reflash.

Modifications? Unfortunately, unless you're gonna go custom, there's no alternative to using the EJ18 fuel rails if you want some bigger injectors on an EJ22T.

I know im a little late on this one

There is another alternative, the 1st gen jdm wrx motors came with 450ish injectors and they'll drop right in.

free5ty1e · Post by **free5ty1e** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 3:28 am

Zuh? 450cc/min side-feed injectors that will fit the Legacy Turbo fuel rails?!

Please confirm so I may commence rejoice-ment and jubilative measures...

Which model years WRX do these come on - is JDM an aftermarket manufacturer?

Nomake Wan · Post by **Nomake Wan** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:37 pm

free5ty1e wrote:Which model years WRX do these come on - is JDM an aftermarket manufacturer?

JDM - Japanese Domestic Market. He means first-generation Japanese WRXs. I'm not familiar with that model, so you'd have to do some research on your own (or wait for someone else to reply) to find out what years that is.

legacy92ej22t · Post by **legacy92ej22t** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 4:22 pm

They are 440cc (yellow tops) and they DON'T drop into the EJ22T fuel rails. They drop into 92-94 EJ22 (N/A) fuel rails. The 92-94 N/A fuel rails are an easy swap though.

free5ty1e · Post by **free5ty1e** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 4:26 pm

Ohhhh thats different. I already knew about that. But try finding a Subaru in a junkyard here! I've been on the lookout for those rails for a while now...

Nomake Wan · Post by **Nomake Wan** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 10:37 pm

So the rails changed between the 90-91 NA EJ22s and the 92-94 NA EJ22s?

vrg3 · Post by **vrg3** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 10:50 pm

BoostAddict · Post by **BoostAddict** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 6:07 pm

Guys,

Do you have any idea whether the '04 USDM STi fuel rails will fit a '91 EJ22T block? I can get them along with the injectors fairly cheap, so I'm wondering if this swap will be possible (or if I have to look for older Impreza 1.8 fuel rails)

Thanks,
Peter

NICO · Post by **NICO** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 12:01 am

i cant say yes but i think they will fit, i orderd them with my sti injectors and i had the 1.8 rails on hand but it was easy to put togther cuz the fule lines bolted right up.

BoostAddict · Post by **BoostAddict** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 12:17 am

Perfect!

Thank you for replying

You have an Impreza with a EJ22T, right?
Are the STi fuel rails much better than the EJ22T ones?

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