EBAY shipping charge rant.

BAC5.2 · Post by **BAC5.2** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 12:55 pm

FWIW, we ship heads to and from California alllll day long. It's usually around $55 retail from Maryland to there, each way. Even with a 25% surcharge to ship across a boarder, it'd be less than $100.

Fucker should either drop-ship, or he should be eating the Calgary -> BC shipping charges. He's selling goods not in his possession. You can get real burned doing that.

Brat4by4 · Post by **Brat4by4** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 7:51 pm

You entered a legally binding contract to buy the item. You didn't check on shipping, you took the chance...

thefultonhow · Post by **thefultonhow** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 7:53 pm

It was legally binding until both parties agreed not to honor it. Besides, I'm not sure if it's legally binding anymore if information is withheld or the item is incorrectly advertised.

LaureltheQueen · Post by **LaureltheQueen** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 7:57 pm

*border

douglas vincent · Post by **douglas vincent** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 8:55 pm

If it is truly a legally binding contract with regard to adding on whatever they want for shipping, then everyone would charge $10000 for shipping. Then sue when the other party didnt pay.

I would do some serious betting that I would win in a legal arguement. He has stated he is trying to make up for the low winning bid, he is charging ME the cost to ship the item to him, and he is guessing the actual shipping cost.

snowboarded · Post by **snowboarded** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 9:11 pm

craptard.

douglas vincent · Post by **douglas vincent** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 9:14 pm

HAHA, he backed out and gave me a positive review.

His comment?

Awesome communication!

Brat4by4 · Post by **Brat4by4** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 9:14 pm

I'm sorry, but I don't understand why you screw around with these auctions that don't state the shipping up front (without at least asking them what it will be to your zip code).

You're just asking for stuff like this to happen to you. And other times you try to change the terms after its over. http://bbs.legacycentral.org/viewtopic.php?t=22495

I completely understand trying to find good deals. I guess I just don't agree with your e-baying style.

snowboarded · Post by **snowboarded** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 9:16 pm

Leave him a nuetral that just plainly says; "No comment."

Brat4by4 · Post by **Brat4by4** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 9:45 pm

Ebay wrote:You are agreeing to a contract -- You will enter into a legally binding contract to purchase the item from the seller if you're the winning bidder. You are responsible for reading the full item listing, including the seller's instructions and accepted payment methods. Seller assumes all responsibility for listing this item.

This is what it says everytime before you confirm a bid. So you 'sign' a contract that says you agree the item will cost X dollars and will have an unspecified amount for shipping. And that is exactly what you got. I hate to see if you apply this to other parts of life. This house costs X dollars with a unspecified amount for monthly payments and this credit card gives you X amount of credit with an unspecified APR....

douglas vincent · Post by **douglas vincent** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 9:59 pm

From EBAY -
Search Help
tips

Excessive Shipping & Handling

eBay encourages sellers to clearly describe the item and terms of shipping and delivery in their listings to avoid possible confusion.

A shipping and handling fee can cover the seller's reasonable costs for mailing, packaging and handling the item. However, shipping and handling fees may not be listed as a percentage of the final sale price.

When a bid is placed, the bidder is entering into an agreement with the seller to purchase the item, which most often means incurring reasonable shipping charges that may also include handling fees.

In the case of disagreements between buyers and sellers regarding shipping charges, eBay encourages the parties to try to work the matter out.

Violations of this policy may result in a range of actions, including:

Listing cancellation

Limits on account privileges

Account suspension

Forfeit of eBay fees on cancelled listings

Loss of PowerSeller status

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"reasonable" shipping charges are acceptable. "unreasonable" shipping charges, which this clearly was, voids the contract.

On the auction site he says will ship via UPS ground. Thats fine and dandy, cause thats a known cost.

He ADDS his cost to ship the heads to himself via freight and tacks this shipping charge to the overall charge. Not stated, nor acceptable by any means.

And yeah, I will apply this to my life. When I buy my house, I don't expect to pay surprise fees, cause they are illegal.

Brat4by4 · Post by **Brat4by4** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 10:15 pm

Cool, I didn't know that clause was in there. I rarely deal with people who don't give me a price up front.

Just as long as you realize it is a legally binding contract when you bid. And it does suck with all the shady sellers out there. I've had quite a few refund most of the money after I pointed out something they were trying to pull. One sent me money back ALONG with some more product. The 5-letter "f" word seems to set them straight pretty quick.

P.S. - Its fraud, by the way.

douglas vincent · Post by **douglas vincent** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:13 am

So they are relisted. THis time with a $100 start, which he should have done to start with if thats what he needed as a minimum.

Somebody email him and ask shipping charges.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/99-SUBAR ... 1371QQrdZ1

scuzzy · Post by **scuzzy** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:05 am

douglas vincent wrote:So they are relisted. THis time with a $100 start, which he should have done to start with if thats what he needed as a minimum.

Somebody email him and ask shipping charges.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/99-SUBAR ... 1371QQrdZ1

request emailed.

scuzzy · Post by **scuzzy** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:59 am

scuzzy wrote:
douglas vincent wrote:So they are relisted. THis time with a $100 start, which he should have done to start with if thats what he needed as a minimum.

Somebody email him and ask shipping charges.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/99-SUBAR ... 1371QQrdZ1
request emailed.

I asked: "How much to ship, before I bid, to Nashville, TN 37211"

Item: 99 SUBARU IMPREZA CYLINDER HEADS *PORT & POLISHED (8049321371)
This message was sent while the listing was active.
csperformance20 is the seller.

"190 to ship"

I calculated from Victoria, BC to Nashville, TN a 60lb package on April 10th takes 8 days and cost $107 CAD to ship. ($92.65 USD)

so I replied:

Is that CAD? Because if that's CAD, then $190 CAD is $163 USD.

Which is still expensive, considering 22T heads weigh ~24lbs a piece (you know, being aluminum) I calculated a package coming from Victoria (a reasonable estimation) with a $200 CAD declared customs value and $150 in insurance would cost $107 CAD (Approx $90 USD) to ship to 37211.

Is this going to recieve special treatment, such as a blessing from the pope, for that kind of cash?

please tell me why it's so expensive, and my cost includes fuel surcharges.

douglas vincent · Post by **douglas vincent** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 7:17 am

His lowest shipping offer to me was $160....

555BCTurbo · Post by **555BCTurbo** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 7:41 am

I think its time for an LCo trip up to our neighbor to the North to do some asswhoppin!!!

Brat4by4 · Post by **Brat4by4** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:22 pm

$180 to Ohio.... curse of the 200 lb cylinder heads!!

scuzzy · Post by **scuzzy** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:26 pm

i'm glade you know teh shipping system because i have not a clue when it comes to rates anymore...but anyways the heads or in edmonton alberta and they will be shipped to me then you

I replied:

so I'm paying for shipping to you, then to me? yeah, fuck that and fuck you. That's YOUR cost if they're not in your posession, not the buyers. the VERY least you could do is ship them to the buyer directly from edmonton alberta.

sounds like a shipping scam to me

snowboarded · Post by **snowboarded** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 7:39 pm

Yea, this dude needs a serious head crushin...

scuzzy · Post by **scuzzy** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 8:17 pm

he replied:

i'm sorry but i only do what i can do.

douglas vincent · Post by **douglas vincent** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 4:46 am

I am pretty damn happy now that I didnt buy them even at the possible "lower" shipping. I am pretty damn sure they don't have cams.

http://cgi.ebay.ca/1999-2002-SUBARU-IMP ... enameZWDVW

Obviously that would have been my fault and buyer beware, but still, this guy is out to screw people. Bad photos, and no mention of no cams.

azn2nr · Post by **azn2nr** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 7:41 am

doug you need more shopnig experience when it comes to this. the pics in the orignal thread came from cobb thoes pics were taken from their testing of that head when they were still in texas

http://www.cobbtuning.com/tech/sohc/index.html - third from the bottom

http://www.cobbtuning.com/tech/sohc/page2.html - and both on this page

snowboarded · Post by **snowboarded** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 5:36 pm

Holy crap Jason! I didn't even notice the imprint on the pic until you said that.

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