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D'oh!

But that miller cycle is interesting

smh0101 wrote:D'oh!

But that miller cycle is interesting

Yeah...pretty neat eh?

Yup...im on wiki! lol... as usual

The Miller-cycle engine is pretty cool... although I don't know any more about it now than I did before I started working at a Mazda dealership.

I will say this though...

... just the crank sensor for the Millenia with the Miller-cycle engine is $835.

ah ha ha those people from the PICC have not responded to my price inquiry email yet,
good thing i gave them a 47 digit password Ah ha ha

555BCTurbo wrote:

evolutionmovement wrote:That's not what he's talking about - the Miller-cycle doesn't use water or steam.

Oh...my lack of reading strikes again!

I have the same disability. We will get through this,

lol when I first read this thread I was like WHOLY SHIT dad!!! Then I read here and said. Damn... Stupid bastard bullshiter scammer with peanut butter and jelly!

ditto but 180 with the telling.

Chemistry Nerd's Response on Yahoo Answers
I'm surprised nobody else caught the fuel cell BS.

I had to read it again to make sure they actually said it on their site.

he Hydro Assist Fuel Cell is a combination of long standing, proven technologies. It works by extracting a hydrogen-oxygen mixture from water by ionizing it with electricity from the battery.

With all of GM's hoopla, it's easy to miss. But running Pure H2 and H2O are two different things.... While they could theoretically completely separate the H2 and O with ionization, they also say right on the site that BOTH are injected, the hydrogen to burn and the oxygen to increase octane.....

So essentially, it's a fuel saver magnet bundled with water vapor injection, some gas additives, and A LOT of fancy terminology!

I doubt anyone read that far. I know my bullshit blocker came up so I had to skim it as quickly as possible before my vision went black.

LoL. I guess I just got a kick out of how ridiculous the intro (how a cat doesn't work) was and had to go on further.

and they never responded to my email

You're correct... a 6-cycle engine. Sorry.
Here's the article:

http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a ... WEEKSISSUE

The "Crower Cycle" engine.

I still think he's going to have timing issues unless he runs long overlap on the steam exhaust for the fuel intake cycle, but this might alleviate the NOx problem with lean mixes. In fact, he may be able to run very lean with a high compression ratio IF the combustion chamber can be designed for stratified-charge injection and not ruin the steam cycle. Stratified-charge went away due to the high NOx, but can run on extremely lean mixes. That's for gas, diesel's a different story, but he may have ignition problems with either fuel as well. This may be a better idea for diesel for the increased efficiency and that the two types of engines are closer in character (than gasoline and steam) - high torque and low rpm, though steam is more extreme in both areas (the last great steam car made 1000 lbs/ft @ 0 rpm and even the Stanleys could put out somewhere around 750 lbs/ft).

I can't see the trucking industry dumping their engines for this, but the lack of need for a cooling system would also open up huge benefits in aerodynamics - much more important than the weight savings.

It's an interesting project and I'd like to see how it performs outside of a bench and its reliability and durability longer term. But for most immediately practical capture of waste heat, BMW's steam turbine makes more sense. Unfortunately, even if his engine works, often it's the popular solution, not the best that tends to be universally adopted and this would need an enormous push of influence and money to get this to make a difference. No matter what, that's a hell of a lot better retirement/hobby project than nearly any other I can think of.

I just realized who this guy is...

Do a search for Crower parts on Ebay.
Brian Crower is a big aftermarket engine parts name...

If anyone outside the big automakers can get the 6-cycle off the ground, it would be someone like Crower, I'd think.

I'm quite familiar with his company which made me more optimistic about it. Good post! I was fascinated by the idea of a new steam car for years and, if it works, this could resolve most of the issues with steam (yet get better mileage/unit fuel, though probably not as good water mileage compared to the Doble Steam Car with its huge condenser. The huge Doble got about 10mpg of alcohol or fuel oil and 60mpg water) so I'm going to keep an eye on this project. Corrosion and lubrication will still be a problem as well as cold storage of water.

I don't think there are more than a couple two-stoke diesels still on the road.

You're right - I just looked that up and I guess I don't follow trucks very well. That's good - they were noxious polluters anyway.

those engines are sweet!

Which? The 8v92ta? It was more of a pain than anything. I'm glad its gone, and hasn't been replaced.

the steam one's
that's crazy torque at nothing.

The "light weight" Model E could hit 75 in 10 sec. (the standard model weighed 5000# and took 10 sec. to hit 50). This was around 1923. Maximum rpm was 1500, it made about 65 HP, could do over 100 mph with it's single gear (no transmission necessary, which is good as I can't think of any car transmission today that could handle that torque). The car could be under way when cold in 40 sec. And it passes present emissions tests. All that and 100,000 mile warranty.

they should sell those

i know im sorry for bumping an old thread of mine but i just got a quote from these "people" and they wanted $1040.46 and they would get my car 40mpg.

took em' awhile but hey.

sounds like a good deal if i had a grand, and if it was real

thought i'd bump this again sorry,
i just recieved a response email from them and i'll start it here.
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buncha bullshit ha ha you've already read it so here's the 2nd one..

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Hi Zack

Since the first step is already on the market and the second step (the PICC) is not yet market ready, I will provide a quote now on the Hydro-Assist Fuel Cell.

This first step (the HAFC kit) is GUARANTEED to increase your gas mileage by 50% or better, but we expect it possibly may double it. In fact, scientific testing from our test pilot program on the first 80 HAFC installations in our class projects - averaged a mileage increase of 95%.

The PICC is an upgrade which adds more technology to the HAFC. In other words, when your PICC quote is ready and you decide to get a PICC, you’ll have to get the HAFC installed anyway, so you might as well get it now and start saving while waiting for the PICC.

You may be so happy with the HAFC that you won’t need the PICC upgrade. If you’re like some of our customers and you get over 100 miles per gallon with your four cylinder car, why would you spend more money upgrading to the PICC?

At the time we’re ready to upgrade you to the PICC, we’ll send you a quote for the PICC kit with a scientific appraisal of the estimated mileage increase as well as the additional costs involved in upgrading, and you can decide then if it’s worth it. Our guesstimate is that we’ll be able to increase even SUVs to over 100 miles per gallon and it will cost somewhere from $2,000 to $3,000 more to do the second step of the upgrade so that you have both the HAFC and a PICC.

Your HAFC kit should last longer than the life of your car and it’ll greatly increase the life of your engine.

The HAFC Kit is available NOW at $1040. Shipping is $25 to America or Canada. The HAFC system is absolutely guaranteed to increase your mileage by at least 50% or you’ll be cheerfully refunded the cost upon the return of the kit as per our savings guarantee policy.

So the question is, would you pay a thousand dollars to be guaranteed an increase of 50% or better in miles per gallon of gasoline? There’s a high likelihood you’ll even double your gas mileage, but that’s not guaranteed, so let’s just consider your savings on the basis of the minimum of 50% that we do guarantee:

If you drive 15,000 miles per year, and are getting 20 miles per gallon average, then you’re using 750 gallons of gasoline a year. If you could be guaranteed to change that to 30 miles per gallon then you’d use 500 gallons instead. That’s a savings of 250 gallons of gasoline. That’s like getting 250 gallons of free gas each year!

At $3 per gallon, that’s $750 saved in one year. But gas is expected to go to $4 per gallon and that’s a savings of $1,000 in one year. If you drive 20,000 miles per year, then it’s more like 334 gallons of free gas. Of course the kit has often doubled the original mileage of the gas powered car or truck on which it’s installed, and in that event, a one year payback is assured. Our Fuel Cell kit’s expected to last the life of the vehicle and it will greatly increase the life of your engine.

The HAFC (Hydro-Assist Fuel Cell) comes in the form of a kit that the car owners could even install themselves if they’re handy. We also have trained and certified mechanics, and we’ll refer one closest to those who have purchased a kit, or we’ll train one in your town for you. It usually takes four hours of a mechanic’s time to install the kit. For details about how the additional economy is achieved through this technology, watch the HAFC video available to be seen on the website link you used when you filled out your initial request for a quote.

So, the cost for your HAFC kit is $1,040 plus $25 domestic shipping, for a total of $1065.00 and we recommend purchasing it as soon as possible. Our national dealer network has collectively funded a multi-million dollar national ad campaign that’s in progress right now and we are getting busy. There are over 100 million vehicles on the road in this country and every one of them need this technology. Soon, it could get harder for our manufacturers to supply the demand.

With our savings guarantee, there’s nothing to lose… except your gas bills. The sooner you get your kit, the sooner you can install it and start saving. Right now, we can supply kits within no more than a 4 – 6 week wait.

We are a dealer in this project so you can buy the HAFC kit directly through our dealership. For your convenience, we take credit cards, PayPal, or check. Just click the link at the bottom of the previous email you originally received, and if you didn’t get this email previously – then please send a message to meh@mehfrmeeetesmhch.com indicating that you didn’t get it. I’ll send you a link that relates to your affiliate so that proper credit will be applied.


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any minds changed? i think it sounded a little more legit but still unsure...

The guy who's selling this thing makes claims without offering any scientific explanation, throws in a few exclamation points... it sure doesn't sound any more legit to me.

If you decide to pursue it, I'll offer this advice: be sure to pay with a credit card, and check with your card issuer to make sure that they'll protect you if this is a scam.