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Re: Intermittent stalling, idling/driving: possible ECU prob

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:21 pm
by Legacy777
Thank you very much for the pictures!!!

The housings appear to be the same, so now all I need to do is find one of these electronic combination meters.

Thanks again!

Re: Intermittent stalling, idling/driving: possible ECU prob

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:06 pm
by Bartek
No problem at all :)

Re: Intermittent stalling, idling/driving: possible ECU prob

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:29 pm
by Alphius
That is interesting. I would love it if US market cars had that. The cable speedo is my least favorite part of my car. It's interesting the small differences in that combo meter. The orange part of the needles goes into the black center on the tach/speedo, there's no alternate speed (MPH) markings in the center which makes the speedometer look much cleaner and matches the tach better.

Re: Intermittent stalling, idling/driving: possible ECU prob

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:55 pm
by Legacy777
We've got mph & kmh for the north american cars since Canada & other countries use kmh vs. mph.

Re: Intermittent stalling, idling/driving: possible ECU prob

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 5:49 am
by Alphius
Legacy777 wrote:We've got mph & kmh for the north american cars since Canada & other countries use kmh vs. mph.
I know, but I wish it wasn't so... I've always felt it clutters up the speedo. Even though I can do the translation for common speeds easily in my head, the regulations have forever doomed us to a life of ugly speedometers... First World Problem! :lol:

Re: Intermittent stalling, idling/driving: possible ECU prob

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:39 pm
by Bartek
Hi lads.
It's back again.
Once - for now. Driving uphill, gauges dropped to zero, felt complete lack of power, then it pulled again in a second. No road bump, warm engine, completely random.
Damn :(
Any, any hints please????

Re: Intermittent stalling, idling/driving: possible ECU prob

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 9:11 pm
by Legacy777
So what fixed the problem last time, or did it just magically fix itself for a while?

Re: Intermittent stalling, idling/driving: possible ECU prob

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:53 am
by Bartek
No green idea (as we say it here in Poland) :(
I just don't know. This is this kind of gremlin, that makes you thinking of getting rid of the car :(((
Now nothing is happening but I'm scared already.
New battery bought me half a year of easy life.
But, there still was a chance that I accindentally wiggled something. Still no clue what could it be.

Where to start from?

Re: Intermittent stalling, idling/driving: possible ECU prob

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:26 pm
by Legacy777
Unfortunately, it sounds like you've got a wiring issue somewhere. What I would suggest doing is using a multimeter and just go through every single pin on the ECU to verify the wiring is good and has 0 ohms of resistance. Also, when you're doing this, wiggle the wiring harnesses around to see if anything changes.

My mom had 1990 Toyota pickup that intermittently cut out on her. Several dealerships couldn't find anything wrong, but one dealership actually took the time to troubleshoot the wiring and found that there was a cut in the engine wiring harness that was causing the engine to cut out. I think this harness was near the exhaust manifold so the high temps from the exhaust I think played a role in the problem occurring.

Intermittent wiring issues are just extremely tedious.

Re: Intermittent stalling, idling/driving: possible ECU prob

Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 11:50 am
by Bartek
Eeeeeerrrrrr....Josh, stupid question.
I became more 'acoustic sensible' while driving and noticed some strange thing.
When I let off pedal clutch there's some sound that's very much like sound of brake switch click under the brake pedal.
I'm starting to think that perhaps some wire interfere with bare metal of pedal and grounding it or something?
Correct me if I'm wrong - clutch shouldnt have any electrical switch, right?

Re: Intermittent stalling, idling/driving: possible ECU prob

Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 12:04 am
by Legacy777
Yes the clutch has two switches. One for the cruise, and is engaged when the clutch is not depressed at all, and one for the starter interlock circuit which keeps the car from starting unless the clutch is fully depressed.

I'm not sure these would cause your issues, but anything's possible. If you look under the dash you should see the two switches on the clutch pedal.

Re: Intermittent stalling, idling/driving: possible ECU prob

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 12:06 pm
by Bartek
If I say 'bump' is there a chance someone would kill me?

Strange thing, two last times car died it was in some kind of traffic. No moving, steady stop, idling. Once few days ago - means summer, and last time it was much colder but still - little traffic jam. Engine fully warmed which brings CPS to my mind - everytime car needed a little time (30 and 15 minutes to get CEL ready and start the engine). So temperature problem in this case, I guess.
Twice I got problem with crank gasket and it sutter oil all over the place - twice timing belt replaced. Thinking of oil contaminating sensor.

I did some experiment yesterday - I unplugged sensor and try to start the engine. CEL was present but after cranking it dissapeared. It needed key to off and once again to on to get CEL lit on.
I'm thinking anyway of replacing crank sensor. I just need to start over again :(

Re: Intermittent stalling, idling/driving: possible ECU prob

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 8:06 pm
by Bartek
And one more question.
I can't find main grounding point. My leggy has watercooler so not much I can see there. I just can't identify this location. Any hints?

Re: Intermittent stalling, idling/driving: possible ECU prob

Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:21 pm
by Legacy777
Are you looking for the grounding point for the ECU and all the sensors, or the ground point from the battery?

The ECU & sensor grounds should be on the back side of the intake manifold on the driver's side. It's almost where the intake manifold meets the heads.

Unfortunately, I don't have any good pictures showing that ground spot.

Re: Intermittent stalling, idling/driving: possible ECU prob

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:32 am
by Bartek
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Is this more or less this location?
I can see some grounding but it looks to me like gnd from battery.
One thick black wire.

Re: Intermittent stalling, idling/driving: possible ECU prob

Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:57 pm
by Bartek
Nailed it. Fusebox under hood. Tried to reach ground point and removed washer tank. Then, just in case wiggled some wires. There is some gremlin, relay clicking and CEL flashing but after 2 hours of senseless action decided to give it to electrician. Let you know what he will find...I hope he will.

Re: Intermittent stalling, idling/driving: possible ECU prob

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 6:26 pm
by Legacy777
The ground spot you identified is for the starter. It's not where the ECU grounds. I'm not sure if the new manifolds ground in the same spot or not....I would kind of guess they don't.

I guess let us know what the electrician finds out.

Re: Intermittent stalling, idling/driving: possible ECU prob

Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 7:03 pm
by Bartek
Nothing :(
Completely nothing. He couldn't recreate the problem. I think I'm on my own again.
Yes, I've found ECU grounding point. Truth is it is extremely hard to get to but now I don't think that's my problem.
In the beginning I was sure that no 1 is the culprit - no matter if I was wiggling wires or relay itself - it was clicking and causing break in power delivery to ECU. Then I dismounted whole thing and wiggled again - nothing, but wiggling the rest ended up in clicking. Then I realized plug no 2 is crucial - if this plug is off no CEL is present. It is all I know so far.

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Re: Intermittent stalling, idling/driving: possible ECU prob

Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:57 pm
by Bartek
It ends up with ECU replacement. Other possibilities just have been excluded. Will report in a few months to confirm.

Re: Intermittent stalling, idling/driving: possible ECU prob

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 6:53 pm
by alexandermf
My problem ended up being that yellow wire in what you have labeled as two... It runs power to all the important relays... Go figure after I replaced everything else... Ended up getting new fuse block from junkyard and fired it up

Sent from your bathroom closet

Re: Intermittent stalling, idling/driving: possible ECU prob

Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 7:34 pm
by Bartek
Yup, I've seen your story. I am still not sure if it is not my case. About year ago I had changed battery and everything was fine for another 6 months. Then car became undrivable. Now I changed ECU beacuse I ran out of options.

Does my case look familiar to you? I mean lack of CEL and so?