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hahahaha. again, what alternate reality are you living in? are we looking at the same thread? when did i call you a name? what grudge am i holding? this is like some insane carnival playhouse, jesus. groundhog day part deux.

unless of course you are talking about calling you a bush supporter, which is an insult.

And people say ciper left...

I think this is great! I missed ciper.

Steve

I think what alot of this comes down to is the fear of change. Stretching tires onto wide wheels is nothing new.
The lowrider scene has been all about them for years. More recently the drift cars are running them. It must be new to this scene though? Remember guys at one point someone decided that putting 18"s on a car that came factory stock with 15"s was a good idea. I'm sure alot of people saw that as unsafe. Cars adapted although with body mods and bigger brakes and whatever was needed to make running plus sizes safe.

While I'm not trying to make anyone agree with a stretched tire I will make a wager that in the coming months and show seasons you'll see more and more of this. Just as a VCR becomes obsolete so do styles. There will always be people who don't care about the Jones's. To them it's a non issue. That's cool too as I think that's basically the flipside of LedJetta. He wants to go past the line. Others like to stay far behind the line. Both are flipping a middle finger at the status quo.

So everyone get along and show respect to one another.

I was staying out of this thread, but this is too funny:

LedJetta wrote: unless of course you are talking about calling you a bush supporter, which is an insult.

Anywho, I'm sorry you're gettin walked on here, Led. This group is pretty tight knit and singleminded, maybe you can bring some fresh dna or whatever in. I hope we don't chase you away.

The wheel bearing thing- while subie bearings aren't that fantastic, i suspect that people putting crazy-wrong offset wheels (gm and whatnot) has been enough to destroy already questionable bearings, and thus the whole bearing thing has been blown out of proportion. I'd throw on some wheels, and if a bearing goes.... it was gonna go eventually, and you're probably not gonna die . Volkswagen is the next closest manufacturer in regards to offset, so i wouldn't hesitate to run some cool VW rims on my subie. In fact, i was looking for some passat steelies to trade for my wrx rims not too long ago.
90-91 strut/spring combos have a higher strut perch on the front, and 92-94 have a higher rear. You can see the combo that will maximize space, and if you swap both strut and spring, you'll maintain stock ride height.

Anyway, I do track my car, and i have no sense of style that im aware of, but you seem to have some sense, so ill help with what little i know.

LedJetta wrote:its called a debate dont be a cry baby.

Who's crying? I don't care what you do to your car, I'm just curious as to why. I've answered your questions as little as you have answered mine.

and what great factual information have i been presented with? the only technical questions i have even asked here havent been answered!

I know I posted some info about the dangers of "stretching" tires across a wide rim, as did VRG3. It's just not a good idea. It may work, but it's not a good idea.

and as far as my subaru will go, whatever i do will not hinder the way it performs at all, thats what you guys arent grapsing. i do not drive at 10/10ths, so i am ok if i create a slight bit more understeer or whatever it may be. maybe i wont even do anything to it at all. whatever i do to it wont make it steer uncontrollably off a cliff so do exagerrate what i am saying.

What might be right for, might not be right for some. It takes.... Different strokes. It takes.... Different strokes. It takes.... Different strokes to move the world.

It's difficult to see outside a realm of personal "zoning." It's quite obvious that your definition of performance varies SIGNIFICANTLY from mine (and just about everyone else on here).

To me, performance is a fluid car that works well with itself and myself as a driver. Performance is something that "clicks" and feels right. My car is getting pretty close, for me. I don't drive at 10/10ths all of the time, but it took me 6000 miles to turn my brake fluid into http://www.thawa.net/bac52/WRX%20Brakes/Boiled.jpg]this on the street (that's only around 5mm deep or so. The container that is full of my old fluid now, is straight black).

and adding to that i would ask is adding a larger turbo, top mount IC, and other complex and problematic equipment adding to the cars reliablity? it would seem to me a lot of that stuff, while undeniably cool and very fun, would be considered going against the "nature" of subarus according to some of your statements...it doesnt work both ways guys.

Properly set up, there's no real reliability concerns. Hell, look at cars that come stock with setups similar to this. The EVO, STi, SRT-4, JDM STi's. Reliability is all in the driver. I could probably drive my car forever and a half if I stayed off-boost. But you make a point, and there certaintly is a trade off. I like total performance, and my quest for an ideal street car is progressing. Reliability is a part of that quest.

do most of you guys drive 10/10ths on the street or race every weekend? i am sure some of you race, but if you dont, i cant see much point in modding your car to go faster. thats as pointless as making it look good and hindering performance.

Why not? There are plenty of inadequacies in the stock design that need to be addressed. It's not so much modding to solely go faster, but modding to bring the car to a level of performance that is ideal for the driver. There are TONS of, basically race prepped cars for sale off the showroom floor. Dodge Viper, Lotus Elise, Corvette Z06. They are bought and sold, and never tracked. There is as much a point to that, as there is to modding a car to similar levels.

I don't drive at 10/10th's all of the time, but I like the car to be able to handle it if I DO drive at 10/10ths (of MY ability, not the car's ability).

and i still dont see how my maturity level enters into the topic...but anyway, i can tell this hasnt gone over well, you guys dont seem to receptive to this point of view and its cool i guess i kind of expected it to not go over well.

Just the name calling.

To answer the questions in your first post.

1) Looks wise: 17's with sticky and wide tires. Lowered sans-body roll and bounce. No chrome. Tinted windows. That's about everything. Oh, and 92 tail lights. They = teh pimp JDM style. Otherwise, I'll let everything under the car speak for the looks.

2) Everything JDM can be had over here. It's just a matter of money and connections. Ebay has stuff turn up every once in a while. What JDM parts are you looking for?[/url]

scottzg wrote: Anywho, I'm sorry you're gettin walked on here, Led. This group is pretty tight knit and singleminded, maybe you can bring some fresh dna or whatever in. I hope we don't chase you away.

ill be around...

scottzg wrote: The wheel bearing thing- while subie bearings aren't that fantastic, i suspect that people putting crazy-wrong offset wheels (gm and whatnot) has been enough to destroy already questionable bearings, and thus the whole bearing thing has been blown out of proportion. I'd throw on some wheels, and if a bearing goes.... it was gonna go eventually, and you're probably not gonna die .

90-91 strut/spring combos have a higher strut perch on the front, and 92-94 have a higher rear. You can see the combo that will maximize space, and if you swap both strut and spring, you'll maintain stock ride height.

good to know thanks mate.

BAC5.2 wrote: I know I posted some info about the dangers of "stretching" tires across a wide rim, as did VRG3. It's just not a good idea. It may work, but it's not a good idea.

i guess i was more referring to the actual questions i asked, which have now been addressed, and its appreciated.

as far as stretch goes i have actually run a stretched tire and felt how it performed. i also know a ton of other people and they havent had problems either. i may not be a "performance guy" per se, but i do understand it, and i think i would be more qaulified than you all to discuss it merits real-world, not just theoretically.

To me, performance is a fluid car that works well with itself and myself as a driver. Performance is something that "clicks" and feels right. My car is getting pretty close, for me. I don't drive at 10/10ths all of the time, but it took me 6000 miles to turn my brake fluid into http://www.thawa.net/bac52/WRX%20Brakes/Boiled.jpg]this on the street (that's only around 5mm deep or so. The container that is full of my old fluid now, is straight black).

i respect and understand this completely, thats as good a definition as you can get. i just dont think its very safe to drive in that manner on public roads.

Reliability is all in the driver.

i would tend to think its more in the tuning, above and beyond regular maintenance.

Why not? There are plenty of inadequacies in the stock design that need to be addressed.

exactly! peformance AND aesthetic both fall into this category on virtually ANY car.

Just the name calling.

clearly.

To answer the questions in your first post.

1) Looks wise: 17's with sticky and wide tires. Lowered sans-body roll and bounce. No chrome. Tinted windows. That's about everything. Oh, and 92 tail lights. They = teh pimp JDM style. Otherwise, I'll let everything under the car speak for the looks.

2) Everything JDM can be had over here. It's just a matter of money and connections. Ebay has stuff turn up every once in a while. What JDM parts are you looking for?[/url]

thank you, exactly the answers i wanted in the first place. i am not sure really what i am looking for i was just curious what is even available...lighting? wheels? brakes? etc....

Lighting = JDM glass = Teh pimp.

Wheels = The Legacy never got cool stuff in terms of wheels. The 94 Turbo wheels have always looked nice to me (the USDM ones). The JDM wheels looked "run of the mill" to me, nothing that really turned my head. The JDM DOES get wheels there, that we do not. And those are sweet... but expensive.

Brakes = Nothing impressive again. The JDM WRX got the 4-pots stock (as did the EDM), but those have arguably less power than stock.

Other JDM goodies - Fog lights. I don't know that they would look right or even fit well in an N/A bumper.

About the 10/10ths driving on the street. I'm talking backroads, and it's not safe. I rarely push it to 10/10ths when I'm not in a controlled state. But I do put the car through it's paces.

The stretched tires thing is from friends experiences and such. I hang out with road racers and have gotten a LOT of my tire influence from them. While I've never run a 'stretched' tire, I know they would not compliment my style of driving, and would do more harm than good.

No hard feelings.

cool, i will have to keep an eye peeled for some of that stuff. so does impreza/wrx stuff pretty much bolt up as far as the suspension and brakes go?

Brakes - Yes. As long as they clear the wheels. See my post in the Photo Gallery.

Susupension does, but you need GC rear top hats (93-01 Impreza). The GD (02+) rear top hats have a different bolt pattern, so they will not bolt up without drilling new top hat holes.

Uh, ignore Phil. You can't use JDM headlights unless you're driving in a country where they drive on the left side of the road. If you can get headlights from mainland (not UK!) Europe, though, they'd be glass and really nice.

The JDM fog lights are cool and I think they fit your bumper right, but you can't use them without getting European/JDM corner lights, since in stock configuration your turn signals fit where the fogs would go. Outside North America the corner lights functioned as turn signals. I think the European/JDM corner lights will only fit if you get European headlights though. But it would sure be nice if your turn signals were visible from the side.

You can also get sidemarker lights from a 92-94 car and swap them onto yours. These are the little guys behind the front wheel wells. JDM or European ones would work too, but it's probably easier to find some domestically.

evolutionmovement is working on a cool quad-headlamp setup with really high quality optics. Watch for it.

Upgrading to a pair of front brakes from a WRX is a really cheap easy way to get a little more stopping ability, and to help fill out larger wheels. The North American Subaru Impreza Owner's Club (NASIOC) forums are a good place to find them. http://www.nasioc.com/

Unless you're getting springs that are a lot stiffer than stock you kind of have to watch out because the rear springs of an Impreza have to support a lot less weight than the rear springs of your Legacy wagon.

The first-generation Imprezas (up through 2001) are really pretty much the same as our chassis except shortened, so the front suspension and brake stuff is very similar. The rear stuff differs a little.

A cheap cool-looking effective suspension mod you might want to try is installing a strut tower brace. You can find them for first-generation Imprezas on eBay easily.

Vikash - He's got a 94 wagon, why would he need the EDM corner lights to run the JDM fogs? And he already has the side markers.

I said you COULD get JDM glass lights. I didn't say it was a good idea

Oh, whoops... I was thinking of the 91.

You did say this:

BAC5.2 wrote:Lighting = JDM glass = Teh pimp.

Unless I misunderstand y'all whippersnapper's lingo, that sounds like a misguided endorsement.

Anyway, sorry about that, LedJetta. Here's the scoop on fogs for your car. JDM/European/Australian fog lights are good and will fit neatly into your bumper cover. At the very least they'll require some hacking of the bumper beam, though, since our bumpers are different. If you can get a JDM bumper beam at the same time it should bolt right up though, and you'll get the bonus of a good bit of weight reduction at the very tip of the car. European headlights will be very similar to your car's stock ones, which are pretty good to start with. They're a bit better though -- the beam pattern is a little better, and the lenses are glass.

BAC5.2 wrote: Oh, and 92 tail lights. They = teh pimp JDM style

Oooh yaaa boiy!

Oh and I have a question I've been meaning to ask. everyone says not to use WRX springs on our cars because of the spring rate and that our cars weigh to much, right? Well at the F&S my car weighed in under the WRX curb weight. So what's up with that?

Our cars DO weigh less than a WRX. We have different weight distribution though. The spring rates will be competetive, but our cars are slightly more balanced so a set of WRX springs will just cause a bit more understeer.

Ok guys I'll handle this, just back off and let me talk to him. One of my best friends is a VW guy so I know how to deal with them.

Hi LedJetta, welcome aboard. Sorry it took so long but I don't spend much time in the wheels forum. You come out a little rough and I think thats what you are going for? So don't be supprised if people jump on you. That said I'm enjoying the shake up you have done here, good job.

Ok on the 91, I don't like the wood, it should be a darker color with more wood grain so the chrome door handles stick out more! On the rims, those 15's? I think they are too small overall for the car one size up would be my choice.
What about chrome rims? I have a set of tacky chrome rims with the wrong offset that sticks them out a bit too far. It goes well with the rest of the chrome. They are missing the centercaps too, very tacky If I can get my brother to take a pic and put it up I'll show you what I mean.

My style. If it was my car I would go with something like this www.subydude.com/parts/detailwheels.php?7171175 I like the way it would look on a silver car. For my car I want some old school rally rims because they are so different but still look good and clean. In gold or bronze. If you had a winestone with painted door handles I would trade you for my chrome ones straight up.

a little late to the game dude, but thanks for the welcome. i am glad i came across rough to you because i am an internet tough guy.

anyway, the 91 is in subernaut heaven right now so not much i can do to it. the wood covered up the bashed in side quite nicely, the kitchen drawer liner was $10 for 20 yards and held up well, unfortunately it did fade from its original rich mahogany color. the wheels were stock 14" hubbies sprayed black for style!

my new 94 will stay stock until spring when i am going to get a set of 16" wrx takeoffs and some kybs. you guys have broken me.