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I understand from this group and from a local Subaru mechanic that the
auto tranny in the Legacys is prone to failure.

I would like to know some specifics on what to expect. My 93 Touring
wagon has 108,000 miles on it, 30,000 of them I put on. The Suby
mechanic told me the tranny is a Suby factory rebuild. There is no
way for me to know how many miles on it.

Three different times I have gotten in the car, started it, and upon
putting it into reverse there has been a few seconds before the clutch
kicked in and moved the car. The fluid is full beyond the full mark
on the dip stick. Two of the times the car had been sitting for two
days without being started.

The car performs well and there seems to be no hesitation shifting
while accelerating. It does seem to lug down some while sitting in
drive at a stop light.

If the transmission fluid pump was giving up would the TCU catch an
error?

I think someone had instructions on how to read the TCU errors. Who
was it???
Can anyone give me an idea of cost to rebuild / replace the tranny?

Thanks for all your assitance,

Carl

1993 Touring Wagon
108,000 miles
Omaha, Nebraska
Stock except for the scratches on the bumper where the garage door hit
it on the way down...........


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That would be me on the info on reading ECU & TCU codes
www.surrealmirage.com/subaru

As for your tranny. Heat is the big killer in auto trannies.....that
and low line pressure, which causes heat.

A tranny cooler kit can be added to help with heat. External tranny
filter can be added to help with particles building up and ruining the
tranny.

There are also rebuild kits for the valve body that help alleviate the
low line pressure problem with a beefer spring.

If the tranny was rebuilt recently.....take good care of it...change
fluid regularly......and such.

To check the fluid, drive the car around....get the tranny to Normal
Operating Temp........park on level surface, move the gear selector
slowly from P all the way to 1 and back up again. Then go check the
tranny level on the dipstick on the hot levels......if it is below the L
line....add a little more.....if it is between H & L......it's
fine....you are better off with bein in the line....then overfilling.

Hope that helps some....

Josh

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-----Original Message-----
From: CDAndy43 [mailto:cdanders@tconl.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 8:59 PM
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Automatic transmission questions....


I understand from this group and from a local Subaru mechanic that the
auto tranny in the Legacys is prone to failure.

I would like to know some specifics on what to expect. My 93 Touring
wagon has 108,000 miles on it, 30,000 of them I put on. The Suby
mechanic told me the tranny is a Suby factory rebuild. There is no way
for me to know how many miles on it.

Three different times I have gotten in the car, started it, and upon
putting it into reverse there has been a few seconds before the clutch
kicked in and moved the car. The fluid is full beyond the full mark on
the dip stick. Two of the times the car had been sitting for two days
without being started.

The car performs well and there seems to be no hesitation shifting while
accelerating. It does seem to lug down some while sitting in drive at a
stop light.

If the transmission fluid pump was giving up would the TCU catch an
error?

I think someone had instructions on how to read the TCU errors. Who was
it??? Can anyone give me an idea of cost to rebuild / replace the
tranny?

Thanks for all your assitance,

Carl

1993 Touring Wagon
108,000 miles
Omaha, Nebraska
Stock except for the scratches on the bumper where the garage door hit
it on the way down...........


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You need to get a different mechanic.

Our auto-trannies are pretty tough. BUT if you get a fluid leak it will blow
up just as fast as a grandmother driving a formula one racer to church and
the grocery store 2x a week. Friction, heat, wear, stress will blow up any
mechanical device if not lubricated/treated properly. In general, our auto
trannies are pretty darn tough.

Where do you live, maybe someone on the list is near you and can reccomend
someone who knows what they are talking about...

-Sambo

-----Original Message-----
From: CDAndy43 [mailto:cdanders@tconl.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 6:59 PM
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Automatic transmission questions....


I understand from this group and from a local Subaru mechanic that the
auto tranny in the Legacys is prone to failure.

I would like to know some specifics on what to expect. My 93 Touring
wagon has 108,000 miles on it, 30,000 of them I put on. The Suby
mechanic told me the tranny is a Suby factory rebuild. There is no
way for me to know how many miles on it.

Three different times I have gotten in the car, started it, and upon
putting it into reverse there has been a few seconds before the clutch
kicked in and moved the car. The fluid is full beyond the full mark
on the dip stick. Two of the times the car had been sitting for two
days without being started.

The car performs well and there seems to be no hesitation shifting
while accelerating. It does seem to lug down some while sitting in
drive at a stop light.

If the transmission fluid pump was giving up would the TCU catch an
error?

I think someone had instructions on how to read the TCU errors. Who
was it???
Can anyone give me an idea of cost to rebuild / replace the tranny?

Thanks for all your assitance,

Carl

1993 Touring Wagon
108,000 miles
Omaha, Nebraska
Stock except for the scratches on the bumper where the garage door hit
it on the way down...........


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Carl,
I had the exact same problem as you describe with my '93 Touring
Wagon. As I recall it was around the 45k mile mark. Dealer replaced
the transmission with a factory rebuild, under warranty (yes!). This
was about 5 years ago, and as I recall they said the problem was due
to a soft gasket material which came apart and blocked passages. The
rebuilt unit had improved gasketing, supposedly.

Of course, they also way overfilled the newly installed transmission
(duh), and drained it down to the proper level after I brought it to
their attention.

Haven't had any problems since, but I haven't hit 90k miles yet,
either! (fingers crossed)

Marc


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I talked to a Suby trained certified but independant mechanic this morning. He has worked on this type of tranny in the past and tells me there is a check valve in the pipe from the fluid pump to the torque converter. If this valve fails fluid can slowly seep back through the pump into the fluid pan. He says the only problem is the slow shift after it has seeped and if the engine is allowed to run for a few seconds before shifting all will be well.


He also sayed he could fix it for $200 to $300.

Sound right or is he blowing smoke? I like the fact he didn't try to sell me a new tranny....



mekramer001 wrote:


Carl,
I had the exact same problem as you describe with my '93 Touring
Wagon. As I recall it was around the 45k mile mark. Dealer replaced
the transmission with a factory rebuild, under warranty (yes!). This
was about 5 years ago, and as I recall they said the problem was due
to a soft gasket material which came apart and blocked passages. The
rebuilt unit had improved gasketing, supposedly.

Of course, they also way overfilled the newly installed transmission
(duh), and drained it down to the proper level after I brought it to
their attention.

Haven't had any problems since, but I haven't hit 90k miles yet,
either! (fingers crossed)

Marc


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