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Hey guys,
thought i'd post a question for Everybody...
What would be your dream liberty?
Engine, suspension, year model, body, wheels, transmission. anythin...
this is just my way of picking up ideas etc also i reckon the subie crew are some of the best modders about (i.e no chromes, outrageous front bars/spoilers, airbrushing, interiors etc )
Go before show
This is me;
R32 GT-R Gunmetal Grey 92 wagon, ej20tt, forged internals, bigger turbos, 20psi, carbon bonnet, deep dish lightweight racing rims [black of course], crazy front mount with lots of flutter chu chu chu... C'mon lotto win hahah a little optimistic mebe but thats me

round these parts we call those cars legacies
My dream legacy:
mica black 94 gt wagon with pre-facelift front, edm head and corner lights, jdm front bumper, headlight washers, power folding mirrors, jdm climate control, power heated seats, 4 spoke rs steering wheel, some freakin floor mats finally!!, 35% tint all around including windshield, all chrome rechromed or anodized or sandblasted and painted black(whatever will last longest and look the best), 98 rs wheels or slipstreams(no clue on tires as of now), 5mt with 3.9 lsd in the rear, tien flex with edfc, sti tophats/buyshings/mounts, cusco adjustable rear sway the 18-22 one, sti carbon fiber strut bars, lower arm bars front and rear, one of these bad boys, aluminum control arms, jic adjustable rear arms, jic trailing arms, whiteline alk and steering bushings, closed deck eg33 with lower compression pistons(you said dream right ?), port and polished heads, gapless rings, eaton m90 pushing around 15 psi, liberty awic, water injection, this headers.

Yeah I think that'd be a decent car.

- Built EJ22T (no twin turbo nonsense for me, to many negatives).
- STi JDM non-DCCD 6-speed shod with Gimmie Gears, straight cut 1 and 2, and stainless synchros.
- Suretrac rear end
- 225/45/17's on Prodrive rims (not sure which model)
- TWR 4-pot front, 2 pot rear
- STi shortshifter with poly bushings and all the goodies
- Cryo treated diff gears
- STi Spec-C struts
- STi Pink springs w/ Group N tophats.
- Group N engine/tranny/pitch mounts
- AWIC (Ciper does have a point)
- STi steering rack and box (mmm 3 turns lock to lock)
- Custom bent TBE and unequal length headers through one cat and a straight-through Magnaflow or Borla

Can't think of anything else now and I have to go to class.

No body work, the only non-stock thing on the car would be wheels/brakes and exhaust. Sleeper

damn i knew I had forgot something, brakes!!.

THAWA wrote:damn i knew I had forgot something, brakes!!.

It's OK, I forgot swaybars. While you are crashing head-on into a tree, I'll be the one understeering into it behind you.

sounds like a plan

My '90 non-ABS wagon with AWD conversion
6-speed without DCCD
2.2T, AWIC with about 300HP/300lbs/ft.
Prodrive semi active suspension (depending on ride height and calibration when it comes out)
black side molding removed and fender flares slightly bulged (not obvious).
90mm Hella lights behind blow molded clear plastic headlights (so it has the stock headlight shape with better round lights behind it kind of like a BMW).
Bigger exhaust with stock looking dual tip muffler (actual outlets would be the same size as the OEM cosmetic tips).
Seam welded chassis.
Rear carpet cleaned.

Steve

-the 2.35L built engine tuned to about 320hp
-sti drivetrain
-prodrive susp with N mounts, whiteline bars
-subtle roll cage and chassis bars
-white 91 turbo styling, sedan or wagon are both good
-wrx front brakes, h6 rears with adj biasing
-a good stereo with an underseat sub
-sound deadening of some sort
-light tint
-a freakin sunroof!

just a daily that would be a blast on occasion.

My wagon once its done.

The only extra thing I would do with infinite money is body/paint to restore it back to original.

My old 97GT, painted gun metal . . .

Power: 2.2T block: 2.5L crank (knife-edged) with Pauter rods, JE pistons, slight overbore (as clearance allows), custom crank-scraper (that doesn't interfere with piston oil squirters). STi v8 RA Spec C heads with AVCS enabled: multi-angle valve job/porting. ARP Headstuds with copper headgasket on o-ringed block. Custom individual throttle body intake manifold (reversed with blackbody emitter treatment), Perrin fuel rails with parallel fuel delivery, 800cc (or so) injectors and 255lph fuel pump, GT35R mated to Cusco header, ported stock uppipe (if necessary), some sort of divorced wastegate DP, 3" catless exhaust with twin-outlet muffler (I like that euro look). TurboXS FMIC and custom piping (with blackbody emitter coating). Some sort of aftermarket recirc valve. Direct port nitrous fogger system (just for shits and giggles). Custom ARC-style intake box with blackbody emitter coat. And as many exhaust components (including turbo exhaust housing) as I can make Jet-Hot coated.

Still up in the air as to engine management.

Lightened and balanced pullies, higher pressure oil and waterpump (if necessary), upgraded radiator, external oil cooler, baffled oil pan. Silicone hose treatments where applicable.

Drivetrain: STi 6-speed with custom gear ratios and strengthened gears (gear ratio dependent on engine powerband), Quaife LSDs front and rear. STi short shift linkage with hardened mounts and some sort of short shifter rod. Cusco multi-plate clutch with lightened flywheel. Center diff disconnect tied to ebrake.

Brakes: Custom Brembo 6-pot in front, 4-pot in rear, cryo treated slotted rotors, not sure on pads. Stainless lines.

Suspension: JIC Coilovers, Cusco front camber plates, aluminum control arms, 22-26mm adjustable rear sway bar, 21-24mm adjustable front sway bar, if possible.

Every Group-N mount they make (down to the rear diff subframe locker), except for the front strut tops that I would replace with camber plates. Full cage (would say 10-point, but damn, that's hard to get into!!)

17x8.5" Volk TE-37s, not sure of the color. I wonder how the bronze color would look on a gun metal car?

Those carbon-fiber wing-risers being sold on nasioc a while back. Carbon fiber hood, carbon fiber trunk. Screw it!! FULL carbon fiber body made from molds taken from stock body panels (with a slight widebody treatment and larger front opening for upgraded radiator and FMIC). Front carbon fiber diffuser (a la AC Schnitzer E46 S3, for additional downforce in front (anything to reduce undesteer under harder cornering), Rear windshield and rear windows in lightweight plexi.

Might consider making into a coupe version using GC-coupe doors, or maybe even a hatchback with a legacy wagon tailgate grafted on (in carbon fiber, of course) along with the GC-doors. I'd just wanna see what this looks like, but I'd probably go with the four-door as the final version.

Custom carbon fiber interior pieces to block of the bare sheet metal from taking off interior door trim and dash. DELETED sunroof and ancilliaries (included in the carbon fiber body treatment). Some sorta sparco race wheel and Sparco race seats.

JDM projector lights with provisions made to integrate some OEM prjector-style HIDs for lowerbeams. Those better looking JDM foglamps with a high-wattage foglamp bulb and ancilliaries.

I think that's it . . . but I'm sure there's more.

hahah hell yeah i spose i did say dream sounds like we all need a lotto win eh? well now i know im definitely in the right crowd. dream eh...? if i snaked any of ur ideas,
it doesnt matter...
I live in Australia

Stock GX wagon with 04 wrx STi ej transplant, apexi/HKS fmic (painted black, think 500x700 ) STi Pink springs, STi Spec-C struts, aftermarket camber tops, sti carbon fiber strut bars, Sti 6mt (that or possibly an aftermarket 6 speeder) dunno bout diffs/driveline etc, sumthin STi probably stripped interior wit 1 Sparco Rev pew in red/white/black trim with 5 point harness and 10 point cage. C's short shifter kit. No body-work, no wheels (bog stockers w/ hubcaps ) This is closer to what i'll probably end up with (eventually!!!) but minus everything with STi in front of it, replaced with slightly cheaper but almost as good aftermarket gear
Then... (after i got bored of smashing anything, cept ur dream cars of course , that tried to challenge my "stock" shopping trolley ) the sleeper would be converted to (look like) a jap style circuit car. (minus extreme amounts of boost and top of the range components )
R32 GT-R Gunmetal Grey 92 wagon, carbon bonnet, clean front bar that will help to show-off fmic (not black anymore), sculpted projector headlights with xenon kit, interior stripped replaced with sparco revs in red/black/white trim. Volk Racing Gram Light GL57C Wheels, C's short shifter. ( + all of the above)

(Note: no engine mods. doesnt really need em. too many speed limits here. we're turning into britain. boost may or may not be fiddled (it can handle it )

I like the fact that no one mentioned using the ej257

ej257?

ciper wrote:I like the fact that no one mentioned using the ej257

I guess no one wants to waste their time, even in their dreams

EJ257 is the 2.5L USDM STI motor. It has a semi-closed deck block.

Steve

Yeah, we're a BC/BF crowd.

boostjunkie - Why JDM lights? You planning on living in Australasia, South Africa, or the UK? :) And why high-wattage fog lights? Overwattage bulbs defeat the purpose of fog lights.

I won't be able to think of everything, but these are some things I'd want:

Facelifted BF body.

EJ22G block.

Single VATN turbo. And maybe nitrous oxide to fill in when the turbo's still spooling up.

Capacitive discharge ignition with coil-on-plug (an MSD DIS-4 and early EJ20 ignition coils should be able to do this).

Custom engine management, of course, with ionization current sensing and a wideband oxygen sensor. I should be able to use my laptop with its wireless networking to interface with the ECU.

Driving lights integrated into the grill, and factory fog lights.

Custom headlamps based on 90mm Hellas like Steve's. As stock-looking as possible.

4.444 final drive, rear LSD. 6-speed if that can be done. Exedy lightened flywheel and stainless steel braided clutch hose.

Manual seat belts.

Air-water intercooler, no hood scoop and no rear spoiler.

Legacy B4 brakes (406mm 4-pot fronts, and 316mm 2-pot vented rears). Stainless steel braided hoses all around.

Single stage brake booster and a quick steering rack from RevLabs. A nice slightly-smaller-than-stock steering wheel.

A roll cage or maybe just a roll bar on top. I'm not that tall.

Night vision with a heads-up display kind of like the Cadlilac system.

Two concealed Valentine Ones, one mounted in the front and one in the back, and some appropriate multiplexing to combine their warnings for me.

Pockets in the backs of the front seats.

Prodrive active suspension and all the hardened polyurethane bits I can get.

Deep-tread rubber floor mats.

The new turbo legacy, the turbo baja, the turbo forester and the STI all use the EJ257 in the US. Japan also got an EJ257 forester. Here are a couple good images http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthr ... 85828.html

Its stroke and bore are the same as the old 2.5 but the rod length and piston design are different. Its a DOHC with AVCS too. We still need to see how strong it is, the semi open deck has done well for the 2 liter for quite a while overseas.

If my information is correct Ill have the same stroke to rod specs in my car soon.

ciper wrote:The new turbo legacy, the turbo baja, the turbo forester and the STI all use the EJ257 in the US. Japan also got an EJ257 forester. Here are a couple good images http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthr ... 85828.html

Its stroke and bore are the same as the old 2.5 but the rod length and piston design are different. Its a DOHC with AVCS too. We still need to see how strong it is, the semi open deck has done well for the 2 liter for quite a while overseas.

Anyone know the R/S ratio of the ej257? How about the R/S ratio of the Ej20?

vrg3 wrote:Yeah, we're a BC/BF crowd.

Not me. For this exercise I'm jumpin ship.

boostjunkie - Why JDM lights? You planning on living in Australasia, South Africa, or the UK? And why high-wattage fog lights? Overwattage bulbs defeat the purpose of fog lights.

I would be swapping in some USDM HID projector setups into the housings to replace the JDM projector assemblies, which takes care of the "wrong side of the road issue" . . I think.

The foglights . . . yes, they'd end up being driving lights situated low in the bumper. I know, I know.

Honestly, it was just the ricer in me taking hold . . .

"They look damn sweet."

boostjunkie wrote:

vrg3 wrote:Yeah, we're a BC/BF crowd.

Not me. For this exercise I'm jumpin ship.

At least it's a Legacy though. And an EJ22G block.

I would be swapping in some USDM HID projector setups into the housings to replace the JDM projector assemblies, which takes care of the "wrong side of the road issue" . . I think.

Ah. Yes, that does take care of it. Why not start with EDM HID projectors though?

The foglights . . . yes, they'd end up being driving lights situated low in the bumper. I know, I know.

Actually, they wouldn't. They'd end up being useful only as cornering lights at low speed in good weather. In pretty much all other circumstances they'd hurt your vision.

Why not fit actual driving lights?

Honestly, it was just the ricer in me taking hold . . .

Resist it! (Throws holy motor oil on boostjunkie) The power of Christ compels you! The power of Christ compels you!

*boostjunkie's head spins around while throwing up Slick50 engine treatment*

I'm tryin to hold back but it's hard with NO rules. And those wing risers I have are just as meaningless as the "foglights,"

I know these R/S

EJ20 is 1.74
EJ22 with 2.5 crank and EJ20 rods has 1.65 (my engine)

I thought wing risers increased downforce by placing the spoiler further up.

I didn't even mention brakes and aero or my anti-lag idea. If I had a new Legacy GT wagon coming out...

4-pot front brakes and 2-pot rears
Extra power alternator to run turbine fans in the tailgate that would attach to tubes open to a nearly sealed chassis behind the front wheels with quick-release side skirts that keep constant clearance of about an inch with the ground by rising when the suspension lowers on bumps. The front could have an airdam doing the same with venturi tubes opening at the hood to extract air from under the front section. (I stole the aero ideas from the Chaparral 2J)
carbon fiber roof and body panels, plexi side and rear windows.
My compressed air reserve anti-lag idea (I'm still calling it mine even though I recently found out the WRC teams used it).

Steve

1992 Legacy Turbo Sedan (no airbags )

Engine/Drivetrain/Suspension:
- ej22t
- vf36 twin scroll turbo
- stand-alone engine management (ability to change maps with laptop)
- anti-lag system
- 3" inconel exhaust (neccessary for anti-lag)
- reversed throttlebody
- exhaust heat wrapped head to toe
- FMIC and aluminum rad in "v"formation
- 6spd dogbox, with close ratios except 6th (long for highway)
- mechanical LSD front and rear
- hydraulic e-brake
- best brakes that fit under 15" rims
- DMS 60mm suspension
- oil cooler
- full SS brake lines with tilton pedals and brake bias controller
- the other obvious goodies (flywheel/aluminum control arms, etc...)


The Rest:
- Rally prepped
- full approved cage
- seam welded
- strengthened strut tops
- complete underbody protection
- fuel cell
- 5pt harnesses
- racing seats
- terratrip electronic odometer
- fire extinguisher system
- 4 hella 4000's on a hood mounted pod
- roof scoops
- gold 6 spoke rims
- painted like blue/yellow WRC legacy
- widebody fenders, nothing crazy, just enough for wider stance
- hood vent for FMIC
- rev-lab quick ratio steering rack
- no more sunroof
- make the entire car as light as possible

mmmmm, i could just picture it now