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japanese TURBO POWER
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 6:26 pm
by scottzg
in the interest of a little conversation, where do you guys think the turbo legacy stands compared to the other japanese turbo brutes;
nissan 300zx turbo
mitsubishi starion TSI-R
supra turbo
rx7 turbo III
...and whoever else im forgetting
I'm thinking about the 80s cars, but its an open ended deal. Stock for stock? Best choice for a project car? Most potential? Personally, i love the supra, despite its being a fat pig. I wanna chase the SL500s down 280
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 7:24 pm
by boostjunkie
I'd pick the Galant VR4 (the legacies competitor at the time) over the Starion, in terms of modding potential . . . not to mention, reliability. Lookwise, the Starquests kick ass!!
The RX-7. Hard to tune unless you REALLY are a good tuner. Those rotaries don't exactly like knock AT ALL! Love the car, though.
Supras and 300zxs can be made BALLS OUT FAST!! But don't expect your wallet to agree with you.
All in all, if money were no object, I'd pick the rx-7. Lightweight and very good power production if done right!! Plus, it's RWD!!
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 7:29 pm
by ciper
In stock form the legacy is the slowest.
Id say the legacy to be the cheapest to purchase
Id also say the legacy to the most reliable.
The supra is probably the coolest.
The galant has the most cool features
The RX-7 probably the most expensive to maintain.
No mention of the GLH?
You dont want a supra unless you plan to spend good money on a very epxerience person setting up your headgasket situation. 7mge 7mgte leak 10 times worse than the 2.5 liter GT/RS engines.
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 8:13 pm
by boostjunkie
Almost forgot about the Celica All-trac!!
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2003 4:45 am
by eastbaysubaru
The All-Trac's are IMPOSSIBLE to find parts for. When I was in Colorado, there was a guy who was rallyxing one. Long story short, he ended up selling it because it was too hard to find any parts for. Even harder than the Legacy Turbo
-Brian
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2003 4:25 pm
by Grant
The guy with the All-Trac actually sold it to another guy here in Dnever who is still rallyxing it and still having trouble finding parts.
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2003 5:06 pm
by r0gu3
It's TurboII .... not TurboIII.
TurboII's are no where near as expensive to maintain as an FD.
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2003 7:49 pm
by scottzg
i would have sworn i had seen a rx labeled turbo III. no matter.
the starion has a truck engine...hahaha mitsu picked the engine and designed everything around making it not seem like that- balance shafts, 30 lb flywheel... lol 188hp, 235 tq. too funny.
rumor is that the 1g eclipse is built off a galant chassis. Doesnt that make the VR4 and the AWD eclipse pretty much the same car? they share engines. the eclipse prolly handles better too...
please, show me a turbo celica.
why does the turbo supra have only 35 more hp? did they take the base model and slap on a turbo? (no block, piston, etc modification?)
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2003 7:59 pm
by ciper
No they are different.
For example, no distributor, oil squirters, hot wire instead of flapper air flow.
The NA version of the engine was used in the Cressida as well.
The transmisisons are also different. The NA got the same transmission as the MKII celica supra (W58) while the Turbo got the more beefy r154.
Because of this, some of the fastest cheap supras are actually MKII supras with the MKIII turbo engine
Light with alot of HP. Definatly a sleeper. I almost built one!
Remember that just like the legacy the MKIII turbo wasnt pushed hard from the factory.
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2003 10:23 pm
by eastbaysubaru
LOL @ Grant! I've been back in Cali for two years now, so I'm not really up to date on the Colorado rallyX scene. Though I am still subscribed to the email list. I see you post there every once in a while
And the site it came from...
http://www.mwis.net/~rande/celica/alltrac.htm
-Brian
Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2003 12:18 pm
by scottzg
oh wow.... i want it i want it i want it! that is the coolest celica of all time... and it came between the 4wd fads too (late 80s-early 90s and nowadays) Were those available in the us? What 4wd system was adapted? Pity they didnt sell like hotcakes, i would already have on in my driveway. ooohhhhhh
Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2003 7:23 pm
by r0gu3
The pop-up headlight GT4 was available but the newer style wasn't.
Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2003 9:04 pm
by evolutionmovement
Don't think they sold a helluva lot of them, though I see more around than I do turbo Legacies. There's a '91 (I think) for sale near here, burgandy, great shape, but they want over $7K (with 135K mi)!! Oh, well, I read somewhere that they're a little 'dead' feeling to drive (typical Toyota, I assume).
Steve.