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From what I've read this is what I know but I could be wrong. elsewhere including japan they had 2.0's right? Reason being I found a 92 subaru legacy turbo engine/tranny/ecu basically complete driveline and everything for a swap for 1250 shipped including 6 month warranty and was very close to purchasing but now they tell me the engine is a jap spec engine. well the place is closed now and unfortunatley I won't be able to contact them until saturday. anyways any info would be appreciated.

The only foreign market 2.2 turbo was the limited production 22B's engine. I'd say the JDM spec engine may be a damn good deal. Little smaller, but it has DOHCs and is likely a lot cheaper than you'd get a 2.2 with everything for. Not sure how they like our gasoline, though. What year is the engine? It may be open-deck, though. You can search this stuff out. Somebody should sticky useful info like engine and gear ratio specs, etc.

Steve

ok I actually caught the guy on aim for a few minutes, its from a 92 turbo but he said the engine was recently replaced with a jap spec engine. so I asked if it was a 2.2 he said yes then I asked if it came with a air/water cooler and he said yes again. it's in a junkyard, I don't think he 100% knows what he has, but hes sending me pictures tomorrow. Unfortunatley Im away until saturday but I guess I will find out then.

Count the cams - it'll be the giveaway, although it still may not tell us the year.

Steve

yep, 4 cams = ej20... as for the year if it has the air/water ic, then it must be a ej20g from a bc/bf legacy ('89-93)

Just out of curiousity...

The EJ22T. Is that the same engine between the USDM Turbo Legacy and the Impreza 22B?

well I've been reading a lot on that too. Some swear up and down its the same (the block) some say its different. One thing for sure is the 22b doesn't have the oil squirters.

Same block. Dont listen to the assholes on nasioc

The guy could have a 2.0 block but he stroked it to a 2.2. From what I've gathered it is pretty common overseas to do that. In that regards he may be selling it as a 2.2, but it was sold as a 2.0. Follow?

-Ryan

ciper wrote:Same block. Dont listen to the assholes on nasioc

Yeah, I know. I was having a debate with someone on that board who "said" there was a real 22B were he was and that he talked to the techs who worked on the car. The thing was, he couldn't provide ANY details to the block.

I have no doubt that he probably SAW the car, but he had no idea what he was talking about. I think Matt Monson was part of that discussion as well.

Was it Dennis ex24? He's on the USMB too. I got in a bit of a debate with him about that too. I said it's the same block, no matter who you talk to. He said he works for Subaru and he could go walk 20 yards to a 22B in his lot and have a look at it, and that it is NOT the same block.

I would have returned with "Just looking at the outside won't tell you if it's the same block. You'd have to tear it down..." but I didn't want to get into a big stink about it.

subyluvr2212 wrote:Was it Dennis ex24? He's on the USMB too. I got in a bit of a debate with him about that too. I said it's the same block, no matter who you talk to. He said he works for Subaru and he could go walk 20 yards to a 22B in his lot and have a look at it, and that it is NOT the same block.

I would have returned with "Just looking at the outside won't tell you if it's the same block. You'd have to tear it down..." but I didn't want to get into a big stink about it.

Yeah, that was the dude. He had a crony, too. Some other guy in Jersey. They actually started name calling Matt when he was just asking for some proof of this.

"he works for Subaru."

Hehe, parts guy. And even if he isn't, if I had a dollar for every subaru "tech" that needed my assistance with a problem I was having with my car (I used to get really lazy and take my GT to the dealer when I knew what the problem was), I'd be a very rich man. I don't claim to "know everything" when it comes to my car, but I'm not totally in the dark either.

Here's the post, if anyone's interested:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthr ... did=479779

Those Subaru techs are probably the oil change specialists. Why would Subaru spend the money to develop completely different blocks for a limited run of 400 cars (+ some spares) when they had a more than adequate block with the Legacy? In fact, I'd bet the idea came from someone seeing a Legacy block and deciding to use it in a special edition Impreza. The bore and stroke are the same, so its not a stroked 2.0. The lack of oil squirters means nothing - its a separate machining operation they skipped. It means nothing as the casting. I know I'm not the lot boy at a Subaru dealer or the wheel mounting expert, but I did process engineering so I have a good idea as to how things are built. Those clowns were probably looking at the different heads and saying the block is different .

Steve

My sentiments exactly.

Anyone want to permanently host three good images I have of the 22b engine outside of a car? Including the EJ22 stamp proving it was not a 2.0 to start?

Here are the pics, I'm posting them as links so for the bandwidth-challenged..

• 1. http://www.countercultured.net/~magnus/22b/22b.jpg
  2. http://www.countercultured.net/~magnus/22b/22b2.jpg
  3. http://www.countercultured.net/~magnus/22b/22b3.jpg
  4. http://www.countercultured.net/~magnus/22b/22bc.jpg

Is it wrong that I want it to have my children?

You guys notice it uses a diamond coil pack

http://bbs.legacycentral.org/viewtopic.php?t=15662

subyluvr2212 wrote:Was it Dennis ex24? He's on the USMB too. I got in a bit of a debate with him about that too. I said it's the same block, no matter who you talk to. He said he works for Subaru and he could go walk 20 yards to a 22B in his lot and have a look at it, and that it is NOT the same block.

I would have returned with "Just looking at the outside won't tell you if it's the same block. You'd have to tear it down..." but I didn't want to get into a big stink about it.

Don't kill the messenger. I wouldn't call those assholes Dennis' cronies even if they have met the guy. I spoke to Dennis a bit in private after that new thread last week. He really only deisres to try and help us get the information we are looking for. I just think he got a little indignant when we started challenging his credentials.
Anyways, his job for SOA is to tend to all of their corporate vehicles as far as keeping them maintained, getting them to press events, getting demos cars to dealers, etc. He has checked out the 1 22B in this country a couple of times. The info he has given regarding the block is info that he has gotten from SOA techs. He did go so far as to get someone to give him the part number for the engine, as would be expected since it is a different engine than the EJ22T. He is going to try and get me some cast numbers off the block the next time the car is at SOA for an event. To my understanding this is the only way we can possibly tell if the blocks are the same cast or not. The fact that the 22B is an EJ22 block doesn't mean diddly. As anyone who has tried to figure out the year of an EJ20 knows, the only tell on a block is the serial numbers and the cast numbers raised on the block, like these:
http://community.webshots.com/photo/112 ... 5095VowRhF

Same block
Same block
Same block

Doesnt matter if small modifications where done
Doesnt matter if the part number isnt the same
Doesnt matter if the heads are dual cam
It is NOT closely related to the EJ20
It was NOT built from scratch
It was thought of at a time when an existing engine with identicle specs was already available.

Please read my latest post on the second page of this thread http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthr ... adid=50727

ciper wrote:You guys notice it uses a diamond coil pack 8)

Yeah; I found that odd -- I thought all overseas turbo EJ motors used coil-on-plug until I saw these pictures. Maybe it was just early models. But the new EJ20 turbo does. Hmm.

vrg3 wrote:

ciper wrote:You guys notice it uses a diamond coil pack

Yeah; I found that odd -- I thought all overseas turbo EJ motors used coil-on-plug until I saw these pictures. Maybe it was just early models. But the new EJ20 turbo does. Hmm.

But don't the Legacy RSs use the coil on plug?

http://bbs.legacycentral.org/viewtopic.php?t=15665
22B engine bay plate reading that it has EJ22G

ciper wrote:Same block
Same block
Same block

Doesnt matter if small modifications where done
Doesnt matter if the part number isnt the same
Doesnt matter if the heads are dual cam
It is NOT closely related to the EJ20
It was NOT built from scratch
It was thought of at a time when an existing engine with identicle specs was already available.

Please read my latest post on the second page of this thread http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthr ... adid=50727

Ciper,
Jumping up and down and screaming it does not make it true. Prove it. Plain and simple. Your remarks above are all accurate, but they still provide no more empirical evidence to prove that they are the same block than Dennis's remarks do to prove that it isn't. As I always say, I don't care who is right, I just want to know the right answer. And I stand by my assertion that the only way to verify this is to get the casting numbers directly off the block. And as for you EJ22G theory, read my most recent post in your turbo thread. The EJ22G theory is dead...

vrg3 wrote:

ciper wrote:You guys notice it uses a diamond coil pack

Yeah; I found that odd -- I thought all overseas turbo EJ motors used coil-on-plug until I saw these pictures. Maybe it was just early models. But the new EJ20 turbo does. Hmm.

It was just the early models. Like the US car, the coil pack has moved around on the manifold in the years since they went away from the coil on plug. Some years it was centered, other years it was off to the side. IIRC, the '97 and 98' were centered and the '99 and '00 were off to the side. The coil on my V6 STi manifold is off to the side. I'll get you guys some pics.

'97 STI-RA