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Spec. Sube Rally Class
Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 5:11 pm
by greg donovan
over on specialstage we are developing the idea of having a spec subaru class in scca rally. this a low cost class that focuses on the driver. not aimed at gettting manufacturer support hence the older cars.
would include all subarus w/a N/A ej22 drivetrain. more mods allowed than p classes and not as open as open. you could mix and match from different years and if you have an imp you could update the body. no interior needed. or if you have a post facelift legacy you could backdate
here is the url and the initial post:
http://www.specialstage.com/forum/cgi-b ... /2885.html
randy zimmer on special stage wrote:After getting some ideas I liked and more that I hated, here is the roundup of what I have decided drivers could work toward to keep themselves in business for more than a year or two.
I would hope you keep this formula in mind when suggesting a starting point to your friends and as a direction for yourself in the future.
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#1 philosophy:
If it costs a lot, is rare or may break other things, it isn't allowed.
Any sube, ~90 Legacy right up to the Bugeye Impreza ('02)
Really stock unless mentioned below:
2.2 engine
max 4.1 gear (3.9 OK, 4.4 not)
DMS is the most expensive allowed strut.
Strip and lighten OK but all glass or nets.
Seam weld OK
Brake pads OK
STi rubber OK
Button clutch disk OK
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Any other question - answer with this question:
Will it real cost money to do?
If so, probably not allowed.
Will it make the car faster?
Probably not allowed.
Will it make it safer or less prone to breakage?
Probably OK but don't be cute, no Solo-type reasoning allowed.
Can I take the door beams out of the doors? That won't cost money.
Rears OK but fronts should stay in, it's safer.
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Any interest?
It will only be fun when there are a bunch of cars like this out there. I don't think any of the 2.5NA guys will switch soon until some others start doing it. When that happens, I think it'd be a hoot.
rz
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Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 7:14 pm
by eastbaysubaru
That sounds like a GREAT idea! Relatively low cost entry into clubrallying while still keeping it AWD. That'd definitely be something I'd be into.
-Brian
Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 2:44 am
by oursTOdestroy
me too! (except im in canada
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Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 12:29 am
by 206er
matt#1 would be on board
Ya Ya I would...
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 2:59 am
by SuperRallyRoo
Sounds like alot of fun I am definatly looking for a better class to run my 1990 subaru ej22 n/a in. I don't wanna be so stock for pgt and run with wrx's! And I don't wanna be in open with crazy stuff.
I'm saving up for that cage now.
Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2004 3:56 pm
by 0perose
why limit it to ej22 drivelines? there are bunches of great soob rally cars using ea81/2's
Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2004 8:02 pm
by greg donovan
0perose wrote:why limit it to ej22 drivelines? there are bunches of great soob rally cars using ea81/2's
where are these ea powered cars mr. rolleyeyes? i know of a few, 1 for sure (the ex dimarco rx sedan), in the US and im sure there are more in NZ and Australia. but there are more legacies and imprezas running around in the US.
ea cars would not be as competitve as a ej22 powered legacy or impreza. so either they would need alot of allowences or the ej cars would have to be handicapped. either solution is not in the spirit of the very simple rules.
the ej cars have better suspension setups and readily available rally parts and crank out 135 hp w/no modification while the ea stuff cranks out less than 100 unless you have a turbo and even then you are looking at around 115 hp. and turbos are strictlly not allowed in this proposed class.
Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2004 8:44 pm
by 0perose
sorry, didn't catch the no turbos....
there are seemingly plenty of rally-x cars on the USMB (ultimatesubaru.net/forum) but I think most are probably RX turbos....
guess I shouldn't have opened my mouth so wide on the "bunches of great soob rally cars" because I don't even know much about rally... never been to one, never seen one, etc
but based on the amount of talk about people competing on the USMB and also xt6.net/forum, there are plenty of subaru rally cars that people are competing with that are not ej22's. that's all I was trying to point out
Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 12:37 am
by SuperRallyRoo
Well rally cross and club rally are a lot different. So you can't really call a rally cross car a rally car...
Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 4:34 am
by greg donovan
0perose wrote:sorry, didn't catch the no turbos....
there are seemingly plenty of rally-x cars on the USMB (ultimatesubaru.net/forum) but I think most are probably RX turbos....
guess I shouldn't have opened my mouth so wide on the "bunches of great soob rally cars" because I don't even know much about rally... never been to one, never seen one, etc
but based on the amount of talk about people competing on the USMB and also xt6.net/forum, there are plenty of subaru rally cars that people are competing with that are not ej22's. that's all I was trying to point out
hey no big. you have to learn somehow. i was new to this stuff too. sometimes it can sound like a foreign language.
yeah most of the USMB crew ea series cars are rallycrossers. and a ea series car is a competent rallyx car.
Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 2:37 am
by uberoo
what about running a EA series subaru with a EJ22 swapped in it? it would be faster than a stock legacy but the poor suspension would hamper its performance in the turns...