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Fuel pressure relief?

Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 3:37 pm
by legacy92ej22t
I'm changing my fuel filter today (way past do :roll: ) Do I really have to relieve the pressure like my Haynes manual says? Take out the back seat, unhook fuel pump blah blah blah? Seems like this was discussed before, I searched but came up empty.

Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 3:49 pm
by entirelyturbo
I relieve it. It's really simple. Have the engine running and pull the fuel pump connector, the engine will die in about 2 seconds. The pressure is now relieved. Don't forget to hook the connector back up after you're done changing the filter.

Or, you can let the car sit overnight and pressure will be pretty low in the morning...

Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 3:53 pm
by THAWA
haynes lied to your face! but don't worry they lied to me too. You don't have to take out the back seat, just lift up the carpet in the trunk, all the way up to the back seats,and you'll see your fuel pumps, or pump. I know on 4wd sedans they are close to the back of the seat and theres an oval one on the passanger side and a round one on the driver side.

Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 4:44 pm
by vrg3
Yeah, that lousy Haynes manual!

Like these other guys have said, you should relieve pressure. Even without pressurized fuel lines enough fuel spurts out when you remove the filter; you don't want even more coming out.

There's only one pump; it's under the oval cover on the passenger side. The cover's held in by 4 philips head screws and I'll second that it is easily accessed by lifting the carpet. I accesed it by just removing that plate attached to the back of the folding seat (held in with a few philips head screws) and the folding the carpet back a little.

The way I prefer to relieve pressure is to disconnect the pump and then crank the engine for several seconds. If it starts, let it run until it dies and then crank again for several seconds. That way the injectors will dump as much fuel as possible out of the line. If you just unplug the pump and let the engine die there will still be some fuel in the lines, just not enough to keep the engine running.

Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 6:50 pm
by legacy92ej22t
Thanks guys! Unhooking the fuel pump was a snap. I just folded my seat down and pulled the carpet back. The hardest part of the whole job was getting the gas lines off the old fuel filter. What a bitch! Thanks again.

Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 6:55 pm
by petridish38
if you have the fold down seats like me you are lucky.
i replaced the pump on my friend's 91 L which doesnt have the fold down seats and it was hard to get the phillips screws out. that makes things a bit harder.

Even without fold down seats, it can still be done without taking the back seat out. I did it!

Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 6:56 pm
by THAWA
Tell me about it, took me a good 5 mins to get the out tube off. vrg3 whats the connector under the round plate for?

filter

Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 7:19 pm
by Tleg93
I didn't relieve any pressure I just clamped the fuel line to keep gas from leaking all over. It worked fine and I didn't have any troubles at all afterwards. I used a bobby-pin to loosen the hose. Does not relieving pressure affect the pump somehow? I just figured it was as simple as taking the old filter out and putting a new filter in. It doesn't seem like a very technical operation.

Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 8:37 pm
by mTk
I replaced mine w/o relieving pressure, i don't think it is harmful to the system. I just made sure to keep a rag wrapped around the fuel line to soak up any gas that would spill.

MK

Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2003 12:33 am
by georryan
So you guys were changing the filter that is in the tank itself, not the one in the engine bay?

Wonder if I should be changing that one sometime soon.

Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2003 12:46 am
by THAWA
I think he was talking about the engine one

Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2003 2:16 am
by mTk
Yeah, the filter in the engine bay.

MK

Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2003 2:23 am
by georryan
Why did you pull the wires in the back of the car then? It doesn't hurt I guess, but I've never done that.

Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2003 2:28 am
by THAWA
they are signal wires to get the fuel pump working and all that stuff.

Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2003 9:09 am
by vrg3
THAWA - The connector under the driver side plate? I don't know. Perhaps the fuel level sender? I can check later when I have access to my manuals.

Padishar Creel - I think the only reason to relieve pressure is to avoid spraying fuel everywhere. It's a fire hazard, and just unpleasant. But I don't think it hurts the pump or anything.

georryan - You pull those wires and crank the engine so that the injectors dump all the fuel that's in the lines into the cylinders. That way, the lines will be close to empty instead of bursting with fuel like they normally are.

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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2003 11:55 am
by Tleg93
I see, thanks. It doesn't hurt to be sure. I've done things in the past on the fly only to find out that the step I skipped was important.

Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 4:22 am
by legacy92ej22t
Wow, the new fuel filter really seemed to smooth out my idle. Can barely tell it's running now. :D

Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 4:23 am
by mTk
Good to hear!

MK

Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 6:35 am
by 123c
It looks like it's about time for me to change my fuel filter also. Does anyone know the size of the rubber fuel lines? I am wanting to replace them with the German Cloth Braided Fuel Line, I like this stuff because it will show when there is a fuel leak...

ccol

Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 2:29 pm
by Tleg93
Right on Matt, I wish it would have had that good an effect on my beast. As it is I have to whip it regularly to get it to purr. She's tempermental sometimes.

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 12:06 am
by georryan
vrg3: ah I gotcha. I always thought to just pull the fuse in the fuse box. Disconnecting the electrical wires would do the same thing though. That makes sense. hahaha, I thought they were pulling the fuel lines themselves from inside that cap in the trunk.

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 12:13 am
by vrg3
Pulling the fuse won't really do it, because that also disables the ECU. So you'll crank the engine but not inject any fuel. What you want is for the ECU to pulse the injectors but without the fuel pump running. The only way to do that by just unplugging something is to unplug the fuel pump relay or the pump itself.

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 1:42 am
by Legacy777
You know what......I had my ECU fuse pulled....forgot to put it back in, and started the car......car started and ran fine.......I was pretty confused.......would've thought it wouldn't run.

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 2:11 am
by vrg3
Are you talking about fuse 14?

That fuse only supplies backup power to the ECU. While the car is running, the ECU is powered from SBF-2 through the ignition relay.

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 2:51 am
by Legacy777
that would be why it worked ;)