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2.2L Turbo help :)

Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 7:41 am
by drift7-
Yes I know I was trying to sell my car a little while back, and everybody told me no and I did'nt and now here I am wanting to fix her:):) but I have some questions:)

I want to just buy a 2.2L off of Ebay but would that work for my car? I have a 1991 Legacy Turbo, and I am looking at 2.2L SOHC engines, I did not know if those would fit right in with a little modification? Seeing as how they are not from a turbo car?
Any help is appreciated, I kind of need to get this done in the next couple of weeks:):)
THANKS:):)

Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 9:18 am
by douglas vincent
You need some help. Where are you located?

Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 5:28 pm
by drift7-
Unfortunately forever away from you:( I live in Cookeville, TN
Is it actually possible to do this swap??? Without any major modifications?

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:58 am
by beatersubi
You want to swap a n/a (non-turbo) motor in place of your turbo motor?
Sure, its possible, but may I ask why?

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:58 am
by dscoobydoo
If you have a turbo 2.2L engine, you need to find another 2.2L turbo engine.

It would be sad to see you try to do a non turbo 2.2l swap.

try car-part.com

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:07 am
by evolutionmovement
Yeah, these engines are around. I have 2. Turboing an N/A will result in a higher compression ratio married to the unintercooled turbo and small fuel injectors. Not a good combo for longevity. Is the original engine fixable? Unless you threw a rod through the block, these engines can handle quite a lot. Assuming the block is junk, you could swap short blocks and use turbo pistons and you'll probably be good unless you want to start modding it. For all that though, you should be able to find a turbo long block for under $750 even if it means buying a whole parts car (even better since you could make some money back or have spares). That's the best bet if you can find one - swapping engines over is a long afternoon to weekend job depending on your experience. I did mine by myself for the first time in a day, taking my time with it (lots of breaks since it was friggin' hot that day).

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 5:51 pm
by drift7-
I am definetly not wanting to switch to N/A, I will put the turbo system back on the N/A motor but thats what I was afraid of is it not handling it. I need to get this done within the next couple of weeks. so does anybody know of a 2.2L Turbo motor for sale? The engine is in good condition I think, she has 240,000 miles on her and still runs she just leaks oil like a sieve somewhere, I would like to rebuild her if I had the tools, as I have never rebuilt a piston engine before (I am a rotary guy:) I could have the engine out in a couple of hours that would be no problem. But are these engines really that strong? Could I actually just rebuild it and it work??

Thanks for the replies guys you are great:):) Any more help is appreciated:):):)
Thanks, Michael

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 7:13 pm
by dropdfocus
The most your going to use for "tools" on your motor for a rebuild will be a 10mm, 12mm, and 14mm wrench/socket. That's even for removal of the engine too. If you want access to the front main seal behind the crank pulley, the crank bolt is 22mm.

If it's leaking oil badly, you're primarily going to see it from either the valve covers (most common on all the boxer motors), the oil pan seal (from factory it's an RTV sealant which can begin to break down with time), the rear main seal on the back side of the engine block (not very common, but it can leak over time), and lastly the cover plate next to the rear main seal (if it's a plastic cover, it's likely leaking oil / Subaru retrofitted aluminum covers in place of the unreliable plastic).

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 8:15 pm
by drift7-
Well what about the piston rings? Do I replace those? I know you have to have a tool for those, or do you not? I have all the tools I need to take an engine out and tear it apart, but I did not know if I needed any special tools:) Now where would I get a kit?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1991-94- ... enameZWD1V

That? or this??

# Legacy Turbo 1991-94 2212cc EJ22T engine

* 2.2L F.I. 16-V. SOHC H4 re-ring kit EKSU9TR $446.44


http://www.rpmrons.com/Subarukits1.html

Do either one of those work? or what would I need to get? Thanks again:):):)

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 8:43 pm
by dropdfocus
If you are going to re-ring it, I'd have the cyclinders bored .05 or .10 over bore to have a clean new surface to deal with. Of course you'd want matching oversized piston rings to go with it. Most decent automotive machine shops can track down the proper rings you'd need of you go over bore through their suppliers.

As for the pistons, you can gain access to the wrist pins through the access points covered by plugs in the back of the motor.

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:22 pm
by drift7-
Well then I just need to find a Machine shop near me:) errrr yea that might not be easy:( I live in Tennessee:(

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 10:01 pm
by evolutionmovement
You can make a tool to pull the wrist pins with a steel rod. I'd just rebuild it if it's leaking. Check compression and if it's close on all cylinders and it runs strong, I'd just re-seal it and put new head gaskets on. Do a water pump and timing belt while you're there and you should be fine. When you take the heads off, I bet you'll still see crosshatching on the cylinder walls if the motor still feels strong. I took my N/A apart at 250k and the top end (minus the melted exhaust valve) looked nearly brand new and the cylinders had nearly unworn crosshatching. I changed the oil every 7500 miles, sometimes a thousand over that.

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 11:38 pm
by drift7-
I will pull it out this Saturday and see what is going on with it, if it is just the heads and what not that would be sweet:):) I have no idea what Wrist pins are, but I bet I will find out:)

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:32 am
by beatersubi
drift7- wrote:I am a rotary guy:)
The wrist pin attaches the con rod to the piston. Welcome to the world of reciprocation :D

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 4:54 am
by subytech
drift7- wrote:But are these engines really that strong? Could I actually just rebuild it and it work??
Most people in the know say these blocks are stronger than any of the newer Subaru blocks. My friend just had one bored and stroked to a 2.35 with forged internals and a 2.5 na crank. The builder told us that this package is much more durrable than a similarly built STi block, they will both make lots of power but you can abuse the 2.2 much more and be a little sloppier with tuning (not that anyone would want to :)

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 4:56 am
by subytech
drift7- wrote:I am a rotary guy:)
I miss my 86 FC

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 10:11 pm
by drift7-
See thats what I need a builder/speed shop around here that would do everything for me swap and all. I can't find any turbo motors online:(