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ok i know i might get flamed but this is bull shit. espsually after all the work ive put into my car.


alright me and some friends get to gether to go street race out in the woods.

me; 92 turbo legacy $1,500 for the car

mods: Fmic, 10-13 psi, boost controller, fuel cut defender, stock exhaust with a slipping clutch but its not too bad, 4:11 n/a drive train. open diffs,
money in mods: $1,121


friend; 94 integra LS $650 for the car with no motor

Mods: b20b stock, LS tranny 5spd open diff, intake, headers, axle back muffler, good clutch, lowered, good tires. bad engine mounts.

money in mods: around $1,055

me: $2,621 total amount spent
friend: $1,705 total amount spent



so i run him from a stop and get about 1 car jump from the dig. he holds on through second, i hit third gear and he starts catching up.
he catchs up to me and starts passing. he gained a car and a little more when i shut down around 80-85. it was a short run but he won. my power dies off around 5000rpms vf11 turbo, boost drops from 13 psi down to 8-9 up top some times 10psi . i drove his car and it pulled very nice. plenty of power up top.

so i told him, i will get a stronger clutch and and turbo back exhaust and race you again. but if i lose again after those mods.

im going to sell my car and go get another honda. because im not going to throw another $500-$600 dollers on a bigger turbo just to beat a honda. period

If you wanted a drag racer, then a Sport Sedan was simply not the cost-effective route to go. Try challenging him to a rallycross-type race. Or even just a straight-line race in the snow.

Please, go back to hondas. That way there will be more unraped Subarus that weren't raced at 13 psi on the stock turbo with slipping clutches around when I look into picking another one up.

Knowledge, wisdom, and experience own you. You have no way to know how "bad" your clutch is slipping. If it slips at all, it's toast. If you understood how much torque these engines put out, then you would understand why a slipping clutch is not a small problem, but huge (along with how clutches hold torque, not hp).

So that's your first problem, go from there. Secondly, street racing tells you nothing except how much one driver can suck over another. Go to a strip and get some hard numbers to see how much power you might be missing, and where, if there actually is a problem. As far as we know, you could be the worst gear banger in history, and writing something on a internet site won't prove anything otherwise.

And lastly your turbo is absolutely wheezing through the stock exhaust at those pressures. Fix that immediately.

Haha. As soon as I read "slipping clutch", I pretty much knew the who story. I admire the fact that you thought your car is so bad ass that it could bet a Honda with a bad clutch, but eventually reality has to kick you in the butt, and it sounds like that's exactly what happened

My take on the whole thing is that I wouldn't consider the mods you have done to your car a whole lot of work.

An experienced mechanic and tuner can probably have all that work done in a weekend.

Plus, $1100 is practically NOTHING in the world of speed.

And yes, all the mods you do are worth nothing without a good clutch.

See, the problem is that you were granny shifting and not double clutching like you should have.

Also real tuning would be good.

jamal wrote:See, the problem is that you were granny shifting and not double clutching like you should have.

Nice Dominic Tureto ( F&F Vin Diesel)... lmao

And Andy, I'm tellin ya man, exhaust and clutch, exhaust and clutch...

Oh and remember, the VF-11 was never meant to have a intercooler, so by the time the boost lag ends, and the boost gives you a kick, you have to shift cuz your at redline.

And I aint doggin on the FMIC, but the turbo in use with the FMIC... That twin-scoll you want would kill with the FMIC... Just not the vf11.

The vf-11 just doesnt have the power to push through those pipes.

And you do lose a lot with that clutch, especially when your on it hard.

And have you noticed how much faster my spool is with my 3"TBE?!? lol

And your fuel system is stock, and you go over 13lbs... You hit 15... That means hella lean, not the best for performance.

And these aint street racin cars, hondas are.

As soon as you get my 3.90 and get it fixed you ought to be aight with my old clutch, and you know it wasnt beat on!

Oh and yeah, you're quest for keeping the torque kills the high end you want.

And once again, thank for all the help today!!!

And on another note... You may want to get that battery thing fixed!

You never had me you never had your car oooooooooooooooooo

Wait a min. did you race for pinks hahahaha

Sorry man

Come by my shop and take a ride in my wagon... Then you will not want a Honda!

truthfully if you have thoughts of getting a honda just because you got beat. You are not a true subaru lover

he used to have Hondas... David at Rallitek got him hooked on Legacys... But his is like a 450hp monster

smh0101 wrote:
As soon as you get my 3.90 and get it fixed you ought to be aight with my old clutch, and you know it wasnt beat on!

It won't work...Andy has an NA tranny and you have a turbo tranny...and they have completely different clutch release mechanisms.



And Andy...as far as getting pwned by a Honda...

Your Legacy is pretty much stock...and as I stated in another thread, Hondas can be made fast very easily. So it happens...get over it, move on, quityerbitchin, and STOP STREET RACING!!!

No shit... In exchange for the tranny swap and all the help... I'm giving him the tranny with the clutch stuff. INCLUDING... the slave, pedal assembly, etc.

smh0101 wrote:No shit... In exchange for the tranny swap and all the help... I'm giving him the tranny with the clutch stuff. INCLUDING... the slave, pedal assembly, etc.

Oh... I misread...I thought he was just getting the clutch...


All should be well then

555BCTurbo wrote:

smh0101 wrote:No shit... In exchange for the tranny swap and all the help... I'm giving him the tranny with the clutch stuff. INCLUDING... the slave, pedal assembly, etc.

Oh... I misread...I thought he was just getting the clutch...


All should be well then

Ah okay... I figured since he wants a hydraulic assembly, turbo tranny, clutch, etc... And I dont have the time to part it I might as well help a friend, especially since hes helped me so much!

Hummm... I spent more on my Legacy than this guy did, and I'd probably lose any race that makes it to more than 60mph, but that doesn't matter in the end. I'll never sell this car. Ever.

Am I crazy?

Fkyx wrote:Hummm... I spent more on my Legacy than this guy did, and I'd probably lose any race that makes it to more than 60mph, but that doesn't matter in the end. I'll never sell this car. Ever.

Am I crazy?

Nah, just dedicated... (I'm the same way)

Just because his car goes faster than yours doesn't necessarily mean he's a better driver than you. And in my opinion, the driver counts for more than the car.

tris91ricer wrote: And in my opinion, the driver counts for more than the car.

Seconded

And to be honest you need to look at the mods you have done. You're basically running an extra 3 pounds of boost on the VF11 which doesn't equate to much extra HP, especially since you have the stock (restrictive) exhaust. I'm with everyone else on this too, that your slipping clutch is what ultimately did you in.

You also need to look at his car. Just because you guys have spent the same amount of money on mods means shit. Even your friend had his exhaust done, PLUS he's running a b20 which (correct me if I'm wrong) is DOHC so he should be pulling on you at higher RPMs. He also has a much better power to weight ratio...

thank you all for not flaming me very much appreciated. and i apologize for the quick snap over the race. i still love my legacy and i look back at what i said made me sound very stuipd and irrational. i got my car running very good now and im very happy with the performance with it. i know i havent spent too much money on performance parts because i have had to replace alot of stock parts. yes spencer i agree my turbo is whezing at those levels and i shouldnt be so "ricer" and so nave about the reliable at that amount of boost. clutch and exhaust are coming next.

so i will shut my mouth and keep building the beast till im satisfied. i love subarus more then hondas. ive owned a couple of both.

i was just surprised at the loss. thought i would pw0nd his ass.

because you know why? cause its a Subaru fools.

Soo.... Are ya still planning that twin scroll in the future?

ya but for now i that 50 trim will be plunty of power.


once i get that. ill NEED to go stand alone EM and get a good fuel set up.

92ss satinsvoice wrote: get a good fuel set up.

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