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mike-tracy · Post by **mike-tracy** » Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:28 am

smh0101 wrote:Checked all the engine connectors... they're all good...

The crank and cam sensors are from the old motor.

Cam sprockets reversed (hey it happened to me - no spark no start)? Also, Ignition module known good?

smh0101 · Post by **smh0101** » Tue Jan 12, 2010 7:26 pm

What the ****... I fix the water temp sensor, then the crank sensor cel comes on.

smh0101 · Post by **smh0101** » Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:54 pm

okayyyyyyyyy... so i discovered that the wires on behind the plug that connects to the crank sensor were bare and *maybe* touching each other... So I seperated them and covered them...

Still no start... And now the CEL just continuously flashes!!! WTFKJSDNDKAJSNDLASNDLKASND?????????

smh0101 · Post by **smh0101** » Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:34 pm

Bueler Bueler Bueler?

I'm pulling my hair out with this... I'm actually starting to doubt that I'm going to get it

smh0101 · Post by **smh0101** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 1:14 am

Okay so i decided to do a compression test... the tester doesnt work, but I was able to tell that at least two of the cylinders have compression because of the release of compressed air when I pulled the tester off. Didnt check the other two yet...

However, I did learn one thing... The issue is with fuel for sure... because:

1) The spark plug wire shocked the hell out of me when I was testing the compression...

2) There was NO hint of gas on the spark plugs... After trying to start it this many times I'm pretty sure that they ought to be dripping in gas...

PhyrraM · Post by **PhyrraM** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:12 am

But you said they were your original injectors?

Did you remove the harness from the intake manifold?

Possible the coil is backwards and the plug wires are going to the opposite side of the motor? IIRC, the coil connector is on the passenger side of the car when the coil is mounted correctly.

Check continuity from the cam/crank sensors to the ECU connectors?

Swapped fuel lines and running the pressure line to the regulator?

Just ideas.....

smh0101 · Post by **smh0101** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 4:29 am

PhyrraM wrote:But you said they were your original injectors?

They are the ones from the 20g I bought... But what are the odds that ALL of them are bad... If it were even three that were bad you would know when the one cylinder fired...

Did you remove the harness from the intake manifold?

No. Just swapped the manifold that was on the other motor onto the 20g longblock

Possible the coil is backwards and the plug wires are going to the opposite side of the motor? IIRC, the coil connector is on the passenger side of the car when the coil is mounted correctly.

Nope... Checked and they are for sure right.

Check continuity from the cam/crank sensors to the ECU connectors?

Didnt do that... But I also dont have a multimeter to do it with... And the ecu is for sure getting signal... I'll explain below

Swapped fuel lines and running the pressure line to the regulator?

Checked... All fuel lines are good. Also checked that fuel is coming out the return line when the pressure line is hooked up and the car is one.

Just ideas.....

Well we know that the car has spark... Got shocked and checked to make sure it was actually firing the plugs...

The rails have fuel...

The injectors are getting powered and *should* be firing... Hooked up a light to them and they are being opened like they should...

It has compression... Checked...

The timing marks line up fine...

And when you spray starter fluid into the intake manifold it will fire and run for a second, until it runs out of starter fluid...

Which means that it isnt getting fuel.

WTFLKDNLKAJSDNLKSADNLASD????!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!????!??!??!?????

ericem · Post by **ericem** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:03 am

Bad injectors?? Oh dumb question, fuel pump working? Have you tried unplugging the fuel filter line, and running it into a cup by priming it to see if the pump is working?

PhyrraM · Post by **PhyrraM** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:37 am

Did you swap the complete fuel rail or just the individual injectors?

IIRC, the injectors are providied power from from the battery when the ignition is switched on. Then the ECU grounds each injector to fire it.

So you should get 12v on the yellow wires at the injector clips.

I would also, just to doublecheck, measure for 12v at the yellow wire to the coil.

Beyond that I would get your old injectors to remove a variable.

smh0101 · Post by **smh0101** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:28 am

Yea Eric... Did put the fuel line in a bottle and made sure that it was working...

Dont have a multimeter to check the voltage with.

I dont have the old injectors... (Epic fail on my part.) But I may just put the old 370s back in.

And I swapped the complete fuel rail.

555BCTurbo · Post by **555BCTurbo** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 9:42 am

Do you hear the fuel pump?

smh0101 · Post by **smh0101** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:44 pm

PhyrraM · Post by **PhyrraM** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:58 pm

Sounds like you need to get another set of rails or injectors in there.

smh0101 · Post by **smh0101** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:17 am

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ALL the Injectors were bad... WTF??? I put the pink 370s back in and it fired right up!

PhyrraM · Post by **PhyrraM** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:48 am

SWEET!!. watch the fuel wideband though....

Now that it's running, I have to ask.....

Why did you swap the fuel rails and injectors off your manifold in the first place?

SubaruNation · Post by **SubaruNation** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 3:51 am

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ALL the Injectors were bad... WTF??? I put the pink 370s back in and it fired right up!

dude i hope this karma applies to my car somehow now too!

smh0101 · Post by **smh0101** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:05 am

PhyrraM wrote:SWEET!!. watch the fuel wideband though....

Now that it's running, I have to ask.....

Why did you swap the fuel rails and injectors off your manifold in the first place?

I dont have a wideband

:sadbananna:

And what happened was a local guy wanted a set of my 440s ( I had the set off my 2.5L and the set off my 20g...) and I WAS going to give him the set off my 20g, but I had like, 5 minutes to get them out and the 20g ones were still in the rails on the manifold... So I just snagged the ones out of the 2.5... Well Ooops... I didng know the 20g ones were bad... and since I gave him the 2.5L ones I only had the 20g ones left. I jsut didnt figure that they were ALL going to be bad... I thought about the possibility of the injectors not working, but I figured that the likelyhood of ALL of them being bad was HIGHLY unlikely... So I ruled that out.

Until I realized that I had litterally nailed down that the injectors were the only possible issue...

I had fuel pressure... the fuel pump was fine... I had spark... I had compression... I had all the timing stuff right... all the sensor were fine... all the spark plugs were fine... But there wasnt a drop of gas on them... When I sprayed starter fluid in the manifold it would start then stumble and die... Ergo is must be a fuel issue...

The fuel lines werent clogged, there was fuel coming out of the return life off the hard manifold lines... the filter wasnt clogged... the injectors were getting proper signal from the ECU...

Then I was just like wtf??? So I just swapped them out and bam... started right up.

Do need to fine the preturbo exhaust leak though... I'm sorry but I dont think that the td04 should spool at like 3k on a 2.0L no matter how ghey this motor is.

SubaruNation · Post by **SubaruNation** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:53 pm

JEALOUS. fix my car too

smh0101 · Post by **smh0101** » Sat Jan 16, 2010 12:03 am

You're in Montana.

SubaruNation · Post by **SubaruNation** » Mon Jan 18, 2010 1:17 am

nope. south-southern east south.

smh0101 · Post by **smh0101** » Mon Jan 18, 2010 3:22 am

Um okay.

smh0101 · Post by **smh0101** » Mon Jan 18, 2010 4:38 am

Discoverd yesterday with Doug that I needed a new MAP sensor as mine well, wasnt working right.

Dale (Devans dad) hooked me up with one, slapped it in and all is well, no more occasional CEL.

On another note... Picked up somethin yesterday...

WRX Calipers w/ Ceramic Pads... Everything brand new... just gotta get some rotors!

madmallard · Post by **madmallard** » Sun Jan 24, 2010 2:02 am

maybe they weren't all bad, but were a different electrical rating? glad its running

smh0101 · Post by **smh0101** » Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:49 pm

Hey guys...

Sorry I havent been around.... And yes Zach, I'm alive.

Been super busy with work and the LA trip.

And madmallard... Nope... I think they were all just clogged. And they were all the same electrical rating

Mattheww044 · Post by **Mattheww044** » Thu Feb 18, 2010 8:58 pm

good to see shes back and running... the damn 370s are weak though

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