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5mt out 6mt in

Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 7:43 am
by kleinkid
I located and purchased '04 6mt in Portland, Oregon, and left it on the shop floor at PDX Tuning until I gathered the parts neccesary to complete the swap. Included were the STi starter, slave cylinder , a shift linkage with a Cobb short shifter, and a 6 speed shift knob. It was later determined that the shift linkage had some damage, so I traded it for a shifter with a Kartboy short shifter that PDX had, and added Kartboy poly bushings. I also provided the stub axles, appropriate sized axle seals for the stubs, 6 spd Group N STI Trans Mount, SS STI braided clutch line, Exedy Stg. one STi clutch kit and lightweight flywheel, '94 legacy auto driveshaft(propeller), rear main seal, and a www.dccdpro.com automatic DCCD controller. There were a couple of things I did not take care of ahead of time. One was that a hole needed to be tapped, and Dustin built a stud for the starter bolt hole pattern difference, another was the clutch fork lever spring, and Dustin modded the 5mt spring to work. He also installed an ON/OFF switch for the DDCD controller. I am very happy with the results. Here is a pic of the switches installed in the dash.

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Got the center console closed up and finished with an STi boot trim piece. Had to do quite a bit of work on the trim piece to cut off, file and remove a flange on the under side so it would fit flush on the Legacy console, and still have an inner lip to conceal the area where the trim piece, console and boot are sandwiched together.

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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 4:33 pm
by dscoobydoo
Got to love the retro-fitting.
I am curious about the on/off switch. If it is off, then the car is in full rear mode, or full auto mode?

And when on, you can toggle?

Explain please.

And dare we ask how much the whole thing cost?
( You still have all the kids?)

Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 5:38 pm
by kleinkid
When the switch is in the OFF position the differential is "open". You can turn it off or on at any time, and can use the thumbwheel at anytime. "L" positiion on the thumbwheel is fully lock.

As far as cost, I will be doing a write up in a build thread and will list part numbers and sources, etc. The big ticket item, STi 6 speed, was used with about 35,00 mi on it. I've seen some priced higher than what I paid, and some priced lower. You can see what they are going for if you look in the usual places. I am not going to list prices. As for installation, I work on my car by myself, so a tranny swap was not something I chose to tackle. I provided nearly all the parts required for the swap and dccd install. I was charged ten hours of labor, and am very satisfied with the work performed by PDX Tuning. If I had purchased the tranny locally to me, I would have had PIA do the work.

Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 10:46 pm
by AWD_addict
Nice switch install. Does the 6mt cruise at lower RPM in top gear?

Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 2:02 am
by kleinkid
At 70mph in 6th gear the rpm is higher. 150-200 rough estimate, guess, of course.

Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 3:36 pm
by 93forestpearl
Nice work. I put the thumbwheel inthe same exact pot(Spiider's auto controller as well).

What clutch master and slave cylinders are you using? I'm running a WRX slave with an undampened SS master. It could be a matter of bleeding, but it has always had a late engagement. this was with the stock STi clutch, and now with an Exedy Hyper Single.

As for the starter, I just ground the hell out of the old one to makeit work. Fist time I tried to turn it over, there was a loud clunk, and that was all. Took me a little bit to figure it out, lol.

Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:20 pm
by 555BCTurbo
John...you have this knack for making me jealous!


Excellent work my friend...I will require to see this car soon :D

Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:03 pm
by livestrong14
Awesome Awesome news! Can't wait to see it in person John!

Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 4:36 am
by asc_up
I saw it. It's very cool. It actually looks like it's stock!

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:09 pm
by Legacy777
We need some pictures John :)

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 8:56 pm
by kleinkid
I kind of spaced out and didn't take any pics of the tranny on the floor or during installation, even though I had my camera with me. I am working on a shifter boot trim piece, so will have a pic of that, should look good. Also recently installed 2005 WRX front seats,with modifiied OE brackets to get a lower seating position.

Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:36 am
by Legacy Rally Guy
you wouldn't happen to have the old 5speed laying around do ya? hehe I seem to have misplaced second gear in mine...


very cool though! I was thinking about the 6speed swap, but I'm happy with the 5speed for now... or until I break another one...

Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:16 am
by jake15
Legacy Rally Guy wrote:you wouldn't happen to have the old 5speed laying around do ya? hehe I seem to have misplaced second gear in mine...


very cool though! I was thinking about the 6speed swap, but I'm happy with the 5speed for now... or until I break another one...
you should just upgrade the 6speed now if you can afford it. 5 speeds get expensive after the 4th or 5th one :wink: plus pucked clutches are death on 5 speeds

oh and i have a high mileage turbo 5 speed and another one that needs some synchros/bearings 8)

Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:32 am
by kleinkid
93forestpearl--I'm using the Legacy SS clutch master cylinder, the STi slave cylinder, no damper, Sti starter.

Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:48 am
by 93forestpearl
Right on. Maybe I just need to do some more bleeding, or it could be the Hyper Single. If subaru didn't get almost twice the amount for the STi slave I'd consider giving it a shot. Maybe I'll have to be on the lookout on nasioc.

Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 5:08 am
by Richard
Damn you! Now I have another mod I want that I can't afford.

Nonetheless, mega props.

edit w/more pics

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 11:23 pm
by kleinkid
Added a pic to show the completed center console, boot, and trim .

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 11:41 pm
by 93forestpearl
That looks sharp. I might consider something like that. That's way down on the to-do list though.




I'm rockin the accordion boot to the dismay of everyone.
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Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 12:02 am
by kleinkid
Yours looks fine with the stock Legacy boot on there. Like you said, doing somethng else would not be a priority, as what you have looks real nice.

Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:43 am
by what huh
i like the accordion boot

trans code for '06

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:12 am
by kleinkid
I have been meaning to check the transmission code number for this 6 spd. DU-TY856WW7MA Just did, and it turns out it is a '06, not an '04, which was what I was told when I bought it. I have to digest this.

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:15 am
by asc_up
What're the differences between the '06 and '04?

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:34 am
by kleinkid
One difference is the front diff. on the '04 is A.P. Suretrac, while on the '06 it is a helical LSD. An '04 or an '06, doesn't really matter. I am assuming that there might be fewer miles on this '06, but you never know.

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:13 pm
by jake15
06 trannys have a FD of 3.545 at the rear diff, 04 trannys are 3.9.....

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:20 pm
by asc_up
Ah ok. What year tranny do you have Jake?