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I noticed it says "premium unleaded only" inside the gas door on my car. since I bought it Ive dumped nothing but 93 in it. Tell you what its killing me, I gotta drive to boston 106 miles a day, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF I PUT REGULAR UNLEADED IN IT ?

Nothing, other than expect peformance and economy to suffer, perfomance more so.

You may not see much savings since you'll probably use more fuel unless you drive like an old lady.

what's the reason for the premium only sticker then? Ive been doing this the whole time thinking I had to. But for commuting, I'll use the 87, for around town Ill use the good shit- and its suprising I havent got a speeding ticket already. but ive only had the car for 3 months.

P.S.- I got it up to 120 on 95 the other day and heard a real loud whoosh sound coming from the front right wheelwell then let off, does this have anything to do with the de-snork?

94legacyturboawd wrote:what's the reason for the premium only sticker then? Ive been doing this the whole time thinking I had to. But for commuting, I'll use the 87, for around town Ill use the good shit- and its suprising I havent got a speeding ticket already. but ive only had the car for 3 months.

P.S.- I got it up to 120 on 95 the other day and heard a real loud whoosh sound coming from the front right wheelwell then let off, does this have anything to do with the de-snork?

Most likely, seeing how yours is de-snorked, my guess is that it's the blow-off your hearing from the turbo system.

i just paid $37 not bad for a fill up.

none of you Americans are aloud to complain about gas prices.

+1 my fill up today cost me $64

we also don't get options up here. the best pump gas I can get is Shell 91

Don't 87, it's probably not worth it, but if your shell stations have a 91 instead of the 93 you can trust it and save a few pennies....

But the difference is that Americans won't stand for it. The complaining could be the beginning of the solution. If united for a cause, we're unstoppable. And what's more uniting for the fat and lazy than increased cost of food and fuel?

Dynamic Entry wrote:+1 my fill up today cost me $64

we also don't get options up here. the best pump gas I can get is Shell 91

Don't 87, it's probably not worth it, but if your shell stations have a 91 instead of the 93 you can trust it and save a few pennies....

........ that was 93 octane.
i'm not complaining @ all

if my numbers are right today i paid,

$1.379CAN/per liter (fill of the 60 liter tank $82.74CAN)
or
$5.219US/per gallon (fill of 15.85 gallon tank $82.72US)

for premium



If we Canadians had the prices for gas you have in the States we here in Canada would be super happy.

$4.10US/per gallon (fill of the 15.85 gallon tank $64.98US
or
$1.083/per liter (fill of 60 liter tank $64.98CAN)

almost a $18 difference, ooo if only if only
but i guess we canadian's can't complain to much either seeing how in the uk it's

$2.24CAN/per liter (fill of 60 liter tank $134.4CAN)
or
$8.478US/per gallon (fill of 15.85 gallon tank $134.38US

i hope i never live to see the day of those prices.

Eh. I don't mind the gas prices. I haven't paid anything lower than $3.50/gal since I started driving anyway.

I DO, however, have a problem with paying $3.50 per gallon of MILK. I probably spend more weekly on milk than I do gasoline.

My car ran like absolute shit after a buddy filled my tank with regular unleaded. It had ran a little funny for the way home - sputtering intermittantly, got hellah knock, hardly any power, real shitty idle. I called my friend the next day and asked him what he filled my tank with after borrowing it, because it really didn't start/run well now. He told me he put regular in because his Supercharged Regal GS ran fine on it. I had to toss in a bottle of Lucas Octane boost and five gallons of race gas he had to get it to run right.

Personally, I have never used anything less than midgrade. Even then, it seems to not run right. Race gas, on the other hand, makes the thing so quiet at idle and perky when I'm on it. I wish I could afford to run it all the time, though it was $6.79 the last time I looked and has probably gone up a bunch since.

At least he didn't fill it with diesel.

hey I filled her up with 87 and she's running fine, not as peppy as 93 of course. Now about this race gas, where might I be able to get some of this? at the track? the airpport?

Unleaded airplane fuel isn't formulated for car use so it's really not the best solution. Aircraft mainly keep the engine at a specific rpm, they don't accelerate and decelerate constantly. I'm not sure what's different about the fuel, but I've heard that a couple times and it certainly isn't cheap so I don't see the point of trying it out.

Plus most aviation gas isn't unleaded...in fact I don't know of any. The only really common aviation gas around anymore is 100LL, which stands for 100 octane Low Lead, meaning there is still some lead in it. The only aviation gas that doesn't have lead is JetA...which is kerosene

Neither did I, but I thought there might be by now. I know they're finally cleaning up the marine industry and they keep talking about aircraft (though mostly in regards to jet liners).

A guy I almost bought a Lamborghini off of filled one of the tanks with aviation and the other one with high octane and claimed it worked great. If that just meant it was as reliable as a regular one, then I don't know how he could tell it wasn't a problem.

Airplane guys get away with a lot since the motors are based off of ancient technology. I don't know how they would adapt.

Not really ancient...their motors have different needs and are run at 90-100% of their power almost all the time. Plus they have to be super reliable and light weight. For most cars, the weight doesn't really matter too much and they are run at 30% power for most of the time. Reliability is still an issue with cars, but much less than planes.

Most people that mod their cars are aware of this but... that extra octane level is needed if you're pushing extra boost or running a high compression NA motor. It's detontation resistance, that's the difference. Our cars are tuned stock very midly and that's why a lot of people get away with low-mid grade, but be careful.

And to the Canadiens, I'm sorry you're paying so much for fuel. I'm not positive of your national commuting situation but - here in the states most people drive 30-40+ mi. one way to get to work. It's the way the land is layed out and how centralized the job opportunities are. Our public transit is weak at best outside the cities. We still have plenty of rights to b*tch and moan.

evolutionmovement wrote:You may not see much savings since you'll probably use more fuel unless you drive like an old lady.

This is confirmed by both myself and 93ScoobyTour...we have both run lower octane fuels in our Leggy Turbos and gotten 4-5 mpg worse overall.

The air cooled boxers like the Lycoming and Continentals commonly used in small planes are definitely based on old tech, are very expensive, and are not even that reliable. One of the common 4s, I forget which of the above brands, has a problem with losing cylinders. How they can't perfect that in such an old design with such liability is beyond me. But if you do a search, you'll see why guys are converting Subaru engines for air use. I ran my old EA81s near redline for hours on end pulling an overloaded car without issue.

My buddy is a pilot and said aviation motors have to be rebuilt every 2500 hours or something like that. I understand why since you can't just pull over when the motor goes. The maintenance on airplanes is insane for that reason. Its also crazy how they appreciate in value.

evolutionmovement wrote:The air cooled boxers like the Lycoming and Continentals commonly used in small planes are definitely based on old tech, are very expensive, and are not even that reliable. One of the common 4s, I forget which of the above brands, has a problem with losing cylinders. How they can't perfect that in such an old design with such liability is beyond me. But if you do a search, you'll see why guys are converting Subaru engines for air use. I ran my old EA81s near redline for hours on end pulling an overloaded car without issue.

lol or just put wings on your car

Or take the wings off a plane to make a car. That's the route I'm going. I'm pissed I missed a $100 fuselage on Ebay because it was in friggin' MI. I think I'm going to just throw an OBDII EJ22 in it until the diesel becomes readily available. That should put me somewhere in the 50 mpg range. Not amazing, but acceptable and much cheaper to build. If I can keep the vehicle to 1600 lbs or less, I'm in STI power/weight territory as well.