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Time to donate the Legacy to my Little brother...

an angry little car. But nice.

Never thought subaru would go that route with RWD and all.... Still looks nice and the 2.0l with rwd sounds badass.

From what I have read the 2.0NA will be RWD while the 2.5 turbo will still be AWD.

It looks half Subaru... half Crossfire...

Thumbs...sideways.

DLC wrote:Thumbs...sideways.

psh


THumbs up times 10,000

thumbs up out the window while sideways!

i have been liking the minis with the size/power they have... looks like this is the reason i will be waiting till 2010 to see what it looks like in person

I wish I could just buy the shell from Subaru.

Order one from Japan without the engine or drivetrain. You CAN do it. It's called a Drivetrain Delete. You can skirt the legalities of importing a complete car. I don't know how titling and insurance would go, but I know it's been done. I also don't know how to handle the US safety requirements.

It does look pretty nice, actually. I wouldn't rule it out as long as it is RWD with the most powerful engine setup.

^ eg33 w/ turbo 400 in it, and a 1-piece aluminum driveshaft!

BAC5.2 wrote: I also don't know how to handle the US safety requirements.

i do,

get rid of the american car companies that help to make importing cars like that such a huge hassle.

just like with harley-davidson in the...70's i think?
they didn't get rid of the japanese motorcycle makers then, but they just put large taxes on the purchase of any bike that wasn't american made. thus curbing demand

then you're golden!

you should have the freedom to have whatever car you want.

Huh? Safety standards are mandated by the Fed. I would love it if you had the freedom to buy a less safe car, but there'd likely be no market for it.

If you imported it as a shell, I believe you would title it as a component car once a drivetrain was installed, but the drivetrain would have to meet emissions for the year of the shell's manufacture or newer. So you'd have to have it inspected by the DMV and they'd assign it a VIN (in the case of a component car). I looked into this for importing the half cut of a crashed diesel Subaru for the Cessna project and learned it surprisingly would not be a problem, though it would if it were the entire car. EPA would be another matter, but not in my case as the vehicle would technically be a motorcycle. I'd have to look it up again to be sure.

who do you think wants the fed to prevent cars from being imported into the US, oh right, us automakers.

the fed does these things to help out american businesses.

nissan skylines are no more dangerous to drive than any other car.

You read way too many right-wing conspiracy magazines or something. Lawyers and consumers want the safety - the US automakers have been fighting increased safety since the beginning. Look into this guy called, Ralph Nader - he's a lawyer and he was a huge instigator of automotive safety. Skylines may or may not pass safety (they do as a private importer paid to do it so he could sell used models here), but they never wanted to spend the money to engineer a left-hand-drive car of a limited production model. That has nothing to do with safety, but it has to do with not many people wanting to drive from the wrong side. What they don't likely pass is US-specific bumper specs which have nothing to do with safety, but with protecting safety equipment (like lights) and keeping costs down (thank the insurance companies) in minor parking lot bumps. They will sell what they think there's enough market for. Plenty of foreign cars come here that have soundly outsold the US makers.

Another famous example is the Porsche 959, which couldn't legally come here for years (even Bill Gates had to get a special 'exhibit only' importation allowance for it) only because Porsche lost money on every one sold and would not crash any to pass the standards to sell them here. A few years ago, an importer again, crashed one to pass the standards and they now can sell them here with some minor modifications to satisfy the EPA (though you can order them heavily modified performance-wise as well).

Do you really think the US automakers see Skylines and their ilk as some kind of threat? Whenever you hear a conspiracy consider that they usually rely on large organizations, in this case infamous for their ineptitude and lack of vision, having the intelligence, secrecy, and control to accomplish the stated results.

Perhaps you're thinking of the import duties for trucks GM had lobbied for that passed in the '70's and were behind the reason the BRAT had humorous rear seats (to qualify as a car for tax purposes). Today, gas guzzler taxes do the opposite - Subaru designed a flat floor for the Legacy wagon/Outback to qualify it as a truck for CAFE reasons.

And so it goes...

lol ok

evolutionmovement wrote:You read way too many right-wing conspiracy magazines or something.

lol ok... good luck with that one
if history is a right wing conspiracy magazine then you might be right ...

evolutionmovement wrote:Another famous example is the Porsche 959, which couldn't legally come here for years (even Bill Gates had to get a special 'exhibit only' importation allowance for it) only because Porsche lost money on every one sold and would not crash any to pass the standards to sell them here. A few years ago, an importer again, crashed one to pass the standards and they now can sell them here with some minor modifications to satisfy the EPA (though you can order them heavily modified performance-wise as well).

and i understand that... you are missing the point still

evolutionmovement wrote:Do you really think the US automakers see Skylines and their ilk as some kind of threat?

no, that would be dumb. go ahead read up on exactly how Harley Davidson is still with us today. look for the word tariff

evolutionmovement wrote: Whenever you hear a conspiracy consider that they usually rely on large organizations, in this case infamous for their ineptitude and lack of vision, having the intelligence, secrecy, and control to accomplish the stated results.

not a big fan of conspiracies... like i told you awhile ago. im not prancing around here saying that aliens came into my room and put a metal chip into me and control my movements. wtf.

evolutionmovement wrote:Perhaps you're thinking of the import duties for trucks GM had lobbied for that passed in the '70's and were behind the reason the BRAT had humorous rear seats (to qualify as a car for tax purposes). Today, gas guzzler taxes do the opposite - Subaru designed a flat floor for the Legacy wagon/Outback to qualify it as a truck for CAFE reasons.

what? that has nothing to do with what i'm am giving an example of or the small idea that i am pointing out. except for the lobbying part, that is related

evolutionmovement wrote:And so it goes...

?ok

not sure why exactly you assume that everything is a conspiracy rather than looking and accepting possible situations that may have occured.
easiest way for you to try and shot me down or what?
pretty lame if you ask me.

Of course the truck import tariffs have nothing to do with what you're saying - I have no idea what you're saying at all and that's the only thing that made sense. I have no idea which alternate dimension's history you're referring to facts from. I don't even understand your contention - are you saying taxes were pushed through by the automakers to keep the imports out or safety and emissions? Your original mention is of the Skyline and relative safety, but then you're mentioning something about a motorcycle manufacturer and tariffs. Since I'm not sure which, I'll go with both.

Please explain how these safety standards that you unfoundedly contend are put forth by the dastardly US automakers, standards that THEY TOO have to meet, helps keep import cars, import cars that own more of the US domestic market by percentage sales share, from coming to the US.

Harley-Davidson is not a US automaker, so I fail to see any relationship nor can I think of any import cars that any makers' marketing projections would see as selling profitably are being kept from the US market, much less the connection to the US car makers. The WRX and STI eventually came here, the Skyline GT-R is coming here, and those are the big ones. What are the examples of cars not sold here that were cock-blocked by the US automakers and not by marketing considerations?

Safety and emissions standards have a long, very visible open history, both of which have been continually fought by the US industry. The only cars I don't see us getting that aren't possible sales risks are Chinese trash that probably couldn't pass the crash standards of a milk carton. Nobody would buy them, nor should they - they'd be worse than Yugo.

As far as taxes on imports go, look at what Japan puts on US cars sold there.

Emissions and safety standards have helped imports more than anything as several big marques had histories of safety innovation that they were ready to cash in on. Emissions standards were easier for imports to meet upon introduction due to their smaller engines and, in some case, more advanced technology that they were already making. Emissions standards have been the greatest thing to happen to the automobile - they've gotten more reliable, faster, and more efficient (enough to counter all the weight added by safety and unnecessary gizmos). Most importantly, our air is much better to breathe. If you don't believe that, visit a country where they have none.

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wow. freak out.

if you read what i told you to you would know

Read what? I'm not psycho at all - you make no sense and I'm trying to understand. Seems you're the one who's failing to read, but I guess it's easier to dismiss someone as a psycho than argue a point you must have said off the cuff and so obviously cannot defend. We've all said shit at some time out of emotion that doesn't hold up when called out, so no big deal. If that's the case, just admit it. Telling me to read something ambiguous or about a motorcycle manufacturer like I'm some illiterate when I average at least 3 hours a day reading about everything from history to latest quantum theory just sounds childish at best. I am driven by the need to learn overriding all else and I'm not attacking you, I'm just trying to understand what you're talking about.

h0lY sHiT

huh, emmisions standards make cars faster and more efficient? As in better mileage???

wow, thats news to me.

evolutionmovement wrote:

evolutionmovement wrote:Of course the truck import tariffs have nothing to do with what you're saying - I have no idea what you're saying at all and that's the only thing that made sense. I have no idea which alternate dimension's history you're referring to facts from.

well you were probably high then lol so... the 60's

evolutionmovement wrote:I don't even understand your contention - are you saying taxes were pushed through by the automakers to keep the imports out or safety and emissions?

uh.. neither, i was merely pointing out that in some instances companies can have congress enact legislation to protect american companies.

evolutionmovement wrote: Your original mention is of the Skyline and relative safety, but then you're mentioning something about a motorcycle manufacturer and tariffs. Since I'm not sure which, I'll go with both.

ok?

evolutionmovement wrote:Please explain how these safety standards that you unfoundedly contend are put forth by the dastardly US automakers, standards that THEY TOO have to meet, helps keep import cars, import cars that own more of the US domestic market by percentage sales share, from coming to the US.

and you're putting words in my mouth again and assuming that i make shit up. good luck with that.

evolutionmovement wrote:Harley-Davidson is not a US automaker

SINCE WHEN!

evolutionmovement wrote: so I fail to see any relationship nor can I think of any import cars that any makers' marketing projections would see as selling profitably are being kept from the US market, much less the connection to the US car makers.

see above

evolutionmovement wrote: The WRX and STI eventually came here, the Skyline GT-R is coming here, and those are the big ones. What are the examples of cars not sold here that were cock-blocked by the US automakers and not by marketing considerations?

REALLY!? well wowee, i didn't know there was a WRX or an STI. thank you for completely missing the point again and making this a much bigger situation than it needed to be.

evolutionmovement wrote:Safety and emissions standards have a long, very visible open history, both of which have been continually fought by the US industry. The only cars I don't see us getting that aren't possible sales risks are Chinese trash that probably couldn't pass the crash standards of a milk carton. Nobody would buy them, nor should they - they'd be worse than Yugo.

see einstein above for further detail

evolutionmovement wrote:As far as taxes on imports go, look at what Japan puts on US cars sold there.

yes sir

evolutionmovement wrote:Emissions and safety standards have helped imports more than anything as several big marques had histories of safety innovation that they were ready to cash in on. Emissions standards were easier for imports to meet upon introduction due to their smaller engines and, in some case, more advanced technology that they were already making. Emissions standards have been the greatest thing to happen to the automobile - they've gotten more reliable, faster, and more efficient (enough to counter all the weight added by safety and unnecessary gizmos). Most importantly, our air is much better to breathe. If you don't believe that, visit a country where they have none.

see image above again