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Coil pack improvement

Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 4:56 pm
by Nohbdy
Alright I don't know if there is a spot for me on here already or not so I figure I would see what people had to say I have a 91 model L AT FWD. I was wondering if anyone knew of some good coil packs that would work with my car. What I was looking for is something that could help the engine run better and not take a chunk out of the wallet (I remember from some past browsing that updating/upgrading the coil pack and improve performance as well as MPG) so any help will be greatly appreciated also any other upgrade that are reasonable in price I would love to hear about as well. Help me fall more in love with a car that when I first go I won't lie I hated.

Re: Coil pack improvement

Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:03 pm
by cj91legss
MSD Coil from a neon.

Re: Coil pack improvement

Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:08 pm
by mike-tracy
Diamond coilpack, cheap, better and plug and play. Msd is 1/3 of those.;)

Re: Coil pack improvement

Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:33 pm
by Nohbdy
mike-tracy wrote:Diamond coilpack, cheap, better and plug and play. Msd is 1/3 of those.;)
Will any year of these work or does it need to be a year specific?

Re: Coil pack improvement

Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 9:41 pm
by mike-tracy
Early 90s to around 96 for legacys. You can tell because in addition to saying diamond, the plug wires will be the same as yours

Re: Coil pack improvement

Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 10:15 pm
by Nohbdy
Alright thanks I'll make sure to look into that. Also like I said if anyone else knows of other cheat things that can help these cars out let me know every little thing helps when you 4k off of 250k

Re: Coil pack improvement

Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 12:43 am
by mike-tracy
Turbo

Re: Coil pack improvement

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 6:54 pm
by Legacy777
Are you looking for an improvement in power, MPG, or something else?

There's really not much you can do to the non-turbo engine that's cheap and going to give you much power increase. You likely won't see much if any difference in the coil pack upgrade unless your current coil is not performing well.

I would suggest focusing on the regular tune up stuff, spark plugs, plug wires, fuel filter, fluids, etc. Everything may be ok, but if for some reason it's not getting everything running back to normal will help.

Re: Coil pack improvement

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 10:16 pm
by Nohbdy
Thanks for the tip I was looking at a 91 SS that's near mean and I would really like it. The whole car looks to be in great shape and he said he recently did a tranny rebuild for it and he's asking $3500 do you think it is worth it?

http://markleeautosales.com/
(It's the red one at the bottom of the page I know not a lot to go off of)

Re: Coil pack improvement

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 11:42 pm
by Bishop
I know I'm new here but Ive been reading as much as I could before I ask. The ej frank I'm working on right now has the normal style ej diamond coil but what about the ej25 brick of a diamond coil?

Re: Coil pack improvement

Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 6:44 pm
by Legacy777
Nohbdy wrote:Thanks for the tip I was looking at a 91 SS that's near mean and I would really like it. The whole car looks to be in great shape and he said he recently did a tranny rebuild for it and he's asking $3500 do you think it is worth it?

http://markleeautosales.com/
(It's the red one at the bottom of the page I know not a lot to go off of)
That's too much money IMO. Trans rebuilds on these cars, unless done by someone that really really knows what they're doing never really seem to produce the same level of performance as the stock built transmission.

Have you looked at KBB or some other site to check the value of the car? I'd suggest doing that and getting more info on the mileage, mechanical, and interior condition.

Re: Coil pack improvement

Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 6:47 pm
by Legacy777
Bishop wrote:I know I'm new here but Ive been reading as much as I could before I ask. The ej frank I'm working on right now has the normal style ej diamond coil but what about the ej25 brick of a diamond coil?
That has different style spark plug connectors and I'm not sure it would bolt up to to our intake manifolds.

Re: Coil pack improvement

Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 8:14 pm
by Nohbdy
Legacy777 wrote:
Bishop wrote:I know I'm new here but Ive been reading as much as I could before I ask. The ej frank I'm working on right now has the normal style ej diamond coil but what about the ej25 brick of a diamond coil?
That has different style spark plug connectors and I'm not sure it would bolt up to to our intake manifolds.
From what I have seen when going to salvage yards and such I know the lay out is different for the coil pack itself like for our leggys the plug is wires that come off of the housing vs. the 2.5s and such have theirs all in the housing and from the looks of it you would need to make a kind of mount for it if you wanted to use your manifold if you didn't want it flopping around.Also I agree with Legacy777 they are different pugs and I don't think it would work. But again that is just what I have seem to observe.

Re: Coil pack improvement

Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 9:50 pm
by mike-tracy
There are a couple styles out there. You have the old style with the female connectors on the coil. The 96-97 ej25s have this style too. Late 97's through 99 had the male style coil. You can make a harness from an old style plug's connector and the new style's car-side connector, and use the male style coil. Same concept to use the neon coil. R

Starting in 99 for the 2.2's, and 00 for the 2.5's, they went to a different male coilpack. This has fewer wires so I don't think it would be usable even with a patch harness.

Nice thing about the 97-99 cars, is their plug wires work with the subaru or neon coilpacks.

Re: Coil pack improvement

Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2013 5:07 am
by Aluxes
mike-tracy wrote:There are a couple styles out there. You have the old style with the female connectors on the coil. The 96-97 ej25s have this style too. Late 97's through 99 had the male style coil. You can make a harness from an old style plug's connector and the new style's car-side connector, and use the male style coil. Same concept to use the neon coil. R

Starting in 99 for the 2.2's, and 00 for the 2.5's, they went to a different male coilpack. This has fewer wires so I don't think it would be usable even with a patch harness.

Nice thing about the 97-99 cars, is their plug wires work with the subaru or neon coilpacks.

Hey, so how would one wire in the MSD coil pack to a 97 2.2? Im pretty sure its not plug and play. MSD says it wont work but Ive read on other forums that they have been modified to work? Do one use the plug from the Neon harness?

Re: Coil pack improvement

Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2013 4:01 pm
by cj91legss
There's a whole write-up on SL-i.net.

Re: Coil pack improvement

Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2013 5:36 pm
by mike-tracy
Aluxes wrote:
mike-tracy wrote:There are a couple styles out there. You have the old style with the female connectors on the coil. The 96-97 ej25s have this style too. Late 97's through 99 had the male style coil. You can make a harness from an old style plug's connector and the new style's car-side connector, and use the male style coil. Same concept to use the neon coil. R

Starting in 99 for the 2.2's, and 00 for the 2.5's, they went to a different male coilpack. This has fewer wires so I don't think it would be usable even with a patch harness.

Nice thing about the 97-99 cars, is their plug wires work with the subaru or neon coilpacks.

Hey, so how would one wire in the MSD coil pack to a 97 2.2? Im pretty sure its not plug and play. MSD says it wont work but Ive read on other forums that they have been modified to work? Do one use the plug from the Neon harness?

To run the MSD on a 97, you have to splice in MSD's included harness to your car, and simply reuse the spark plug wires.