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? box between intake and turbo

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2001 12:03 pm
by smotocon@hotmail.com
I know that the box is a heater for the intake charge, but is there
supose to be oil in there? I've noticed that it trales right into the
throttle body. And is there a way to bypass the system (remove it)to
increase air flow. I'm putting in a water/air intercooler and I don't
think that the oil will do to well in there. Any ifo will help.
Thanks, Ian


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? box between intake and turbo

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2001 3:11 pm
by Dave C
Actually, that's not really a heater, but more of a resonance chamber
than anything.

Sounds like your PCV system is letting oil in. There are PCV boxes
available that keep that oil from getting into the turbo and
intercooler, but on JC Sports has one that's even remotely set up for
the Turbo. Rallispec sells the PiperCross one, which could probably
be adapted to work just fine.

--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., smotocon@h... wrote:
> I know that the box is a heater for the intake charge, but is there
> supose to be oil in there? I've noticed that it trales right into
the
> throttle body. And is there a way to bypass the system (remove it)
to
> increase air flow. I'm putting in a water/air intercooler and I
don't
> think that the oil will do to well in there. Any ifo will help.
> Thanks, Ian


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? box between intake and turbo

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2001 8:05 pm
by Josh Colombo
Technically you could bypass the entire intake rebreather system. I suppose you can get one of those little K&N filters, you see them on V8's alot. I think the last time I looked on my legacy, you have two valve cover vents that go back into the intake, and you have the PCV valve venting. I know the valve cover ones you could vent to air and not have problems, not positive about the PCV valve, anyone have any suggestions comments on that?

Josh

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-----Original Message-----
From: Dave C [ mailto:legacycentral@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 11 PM
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: ? box between intake and turbo


Actually, that's not really a heater, but more of a resonance chamber
than anything.

Sounds like your PCV system is letting oil in. There are PCV boxes
available that keep that oil from getting into the turbo and
intercooler, but on JC Sports has one that's even remotely set up for
the Turbo. Rallispec sells the PiperCross one, which could probably
be adapted to work just fine.

--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., smotocon@h... wrote:
> I know that the box is a heater for the intake charge, but is there
> supose to be oil in there? I've noticed that it trales right into
the
> throttle body. And is there a way to bypass the system (remove it)
to
> increase air flow. I'm putting in a water/air intercooler and I
don't
> think that the oil will do to well in there. Any ifo will help.
> Thanks, Ian


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? box between intake and turbo

Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2001 3:10 am
by Rod
Hi group,
Purpose of this : to stop oily, blow-by gases getting into the air inlet. (digrams attached) -[updated since last time..}

General Description:
At part or nil throttle, the blow-by gas in the crankcase is drawn
into the inlet manifold through the connecting hoses and PCV valve by
strong vacuum in the inlet manifold (strong vacuum opens the PCV
valve). Under these conditions, fresh air is introduced into both the
rocker covers via the air inlet duct and connecting hoses. The
crankcase (blow-by)gases, mixed with the fresh air, are drawn through
the hoses, PCV valve and into the inlet manifold.
At open throttle, under turbo boost, positive pressure is created in
the inlet MANIFOLD ,ie. the inlet MANIFOLD has no vacuum and hence
the PCV valve is shut.
Under these conditions the system works in reverse. Blow-by gases are
drawn into the air intake duct via the rocker cover hoses and hose
off the crankcase, prior to the PCV valve (shown in diagram below).
During these conditions, the inlet air being fed is not 100% fresh
air but a mixture of fresh air and blow-by gases. This also leaves an
oily film, over time, in the inlet ducting, turbo and intercooler.
100% fresh air would be a better alternative.
Mods:.....
1. The hoses from the both the rocker covers come together as one and
lead to the air inlet duct. (see 'A' in dia). I have pulled this hose out and plugged
the hole in the air inlet duct. On the end of the pulled out hose, I
have fitted an oil foamed filter, a mini version of a uni-fliter if
you like. Now the system can draw fresh air into the rocker covers
whenever required but will not allow blow-by gases to be drawn into
the air inlet duct. It now 'breathes'. This is similar to the pre-
emission days when engines used to 'breathe' through the rocker cover
oil filler cap.
2. There is another hose that links from the air inlet duct, to the
crankcase hose and PCV valve. (see 'B' in diagram) I have plugged the
section leading from the air inlet duct. This now allows crankcase
vapours to be drawn in the inlet MANIFOLD via the PCV valve but stops
the crankcase vapours being drawn into the air inlet DUCTING. This is
now 'one-way' if you like.
Realize though, that this is not legal under emission control laws but the
only thing that can be visually seen is the tiny foam air filter. Can be put back to std in 'blink of the eye', or could be hidden with a bit of imagination.
This should also make a difference to the airflow meter readings - it now has the exact
amount of air entering the engine, as is couldn't know what was being drawn in through the blow-by hoses.
I also removed the air ducting / intercooler and cleaned the oily
film off everything and it is still spotless. I have been running
like this now for quite a while.
Regards, Rod


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? box between intake and turbo

Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2001 8:49 am
by Josh Colombo
You the man Rod!

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************************************



-----Original Message-----
From: Rod [mailto:melrod@optusnet.com.au]
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 2:10 AM
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: ? box between intake and turbo


Hi group,
Purpose of this : to stop oily, blow-by gases getting into the air inlet. (digrams attached) -[updated since last time..}

General Description:
At part or nil throttle, the blow-by gas in the crankcase is drawn
into the inlet manifold through the connecting hoses and PCV valve by
strong vacuum in the inlet manifold (strong vacuum opens the PCV
valve). Under these conditions, fresh air is introduced into both the
rocker covers via the air inlet duct and connecting hoses. The
crankcase (blow-by)gases, mixed with the fresh air, are drawn through
the hoses, PCV valve and into the inlet manifold.
At open throttle, under turbo boost, positive pressure is created in
the inlet MANIFOLD ,ie. the inlet MANIFOLD has no vacuum and hence
the PCV valve is shut.
Under these conditions the system works in reverse. Blow-by gases are
drawn into the air intake duct via the rocker cover hoses and hose
off the crankcase, prior to the PCV valve (shown in diagram below).
During these conditions, the inlet air being fed is not 100% fresh
air but a mixture of fresh air and blow-by gases. This also leaves an
oily film, over time, in the inlet ducting, turbo and intercooler.
100% fresh air would be a better alternative.
Mods:.....
1. The hoses from the both the rocker covers come together as one and
lead to the air inlet duct. (see 'A' in dia). I have pulled this hose out and plugged
the hole in the air inlet duct. On the end of the pulled out hose, I
have fitted an oil foamed filter, a mini version of a uni-fliter if
you like. Now the system can draw fresh air into the rocker covers
whenever required but will not allow blow-by gases to be drawn into
the air inlet duct. It now 'breathes'. This is similar to the pre-
emission days when engines used to 'breathe' through the rocker cover
oil filler cap.
2. There is another hose that links from the air inlet duct, to the
crankcase hose and PCV valve. (see 'B' in diagram) I have plugged the
section leading from the air inlet duct. This now allows crankcase
vapours to be drawn in the inlet MANIFOLD via the PCV valve but stops
the crankcase vapours being drawn into the air inlet DUCTING. This is
now 'one-way' if you like.
Realize though, that this is not legal under emission control laws but the
only thing that can be visually seen is the tiny foam air filter. Can be put back to std in 'blink of the eye', or could be hidden with a bit of imagination.
This should also make a difference to the airflow meter readings - it now has the exact
amount of air entering the engine, as is couldn't know what was being drawn in through the blow-by hoses.
I also removed the air ducting / intercooler and cleaned the oily
film off everything and it is still spotless. I have been running
like this now for quite a while.
Regards, Rod


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? box between intake and turbo

Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2001 4:20 pm
by daniel.wilson@db.co.nz
Rod have you got a better picture of that so I can OCR it?

Dan

--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Rod" <melrod@o...> wrote:
> Hi group,
> Purpose of this : to stop oily, blow-by gases getting into the air
inlet. (digrams attached) -[updated since last time..}
>
> General Description:
> At part or nil throttle, the blow-by gas in the crankcase is drawn
> into the inlet manifold through the connecting hoses and PCV valve
by
> strong vacuum in the inlet manifold (strong vacuum opens the PCV
> valve). Under these conditions, fresh air is introduced into both
the
> rocker covers via the air inlet duct and connecting hoses. The
> crankcase (blow-by)gases, mixed with the fresh air, are drawn
through
> the hoses, PCV valve and into the inlet manifold.
> At open throttle, under turbo boost, positive pressure is created
in
> the inlet MANIFOLD ,ie. the inlet MANIFOLD has no vacuum and hence
> the PCV valve is shut.
> Under these conditions the system works in reverse. Blow-by gases
are
> drawn into the air intake duct via the rocker cover hoses and hose
> off the crankcase, prior to the PCV valve (shown in diagram below).
> During these conditions, the inlet air being fed is not 100% fresh
> air but a mixture of fresh air and blow-by gases. This also leaves
an
> oily film, over time, in the inlet ducting, turbo and intercooler.
> 100% fresh air would be a better alternative.
> Mods:.....
> 1. The hoses from the both the rocker covers come together as one
and
> lead to the air inlet duct. (see 'A' in dia). I have pulled this
hose out and plugged
> the hole in the air inlet duct. On the end of the pulled out hose,
I
> have fitted an oil foamed filter, a mini version of a uni-fliter if
> you like. Now the system can draw fresh air into the rocker covers
> whenever required but will not allow blow-by gases to be drawn into
> the air inlet duct. It now 'breathes'. This is similar to the pre-
> emission days when engines used to 'breathe' through the rocker
cover
> oil filler cap.
> 2. There is another hose that links from the air inlet duct, to
the
> crankcase hose and PCV valve. (see 'B' in diagram) I have plugged
the
> section leading from the air inlet duct. This now allows crankcase
> vapours to be drawn in the inlet MANIFOLD via the PCV valve but
stops
> the crankcase vapours being drawn into the air inlet DUCTING. This
is
> now 'one-way' if you like.
> Realize though, that this is not legal under emission control
laws but the
> only thing that can be visually seen is the tiny foam air filter.
Can be put back to std in 'blink of the eye', or could be hidden with
a bit of imagination.
> This should also make a difference to the airflow meter readings -
it now has the exact
> amount of air entering the engine, as is couldn't know what was
being drawn in through the blow-by hoses.
> I also removed the air ducting / intercooler and cleaned the oily
> film off everything and it is still spotless. I have been running
> like this now for quite a while.
> Regards, Rod
>
>
> Emission control Mods


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? box between intake and turbo

Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2001 1:34 pm
by mike p.
can anyone give me any ideas as how to make a filter or what kind to
buy for the hoses?

--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., daniel.wilson@d... wrote:
> Rod have you got a better picture of that so I can OCR it?
>
> Dan
>
> --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Rod" <melrod@o...> wrote:
> > Hi group,
> > Purpose of this : to stop oily, blow-by gases getting into the
air
> inlet. (digrams attached) -[updated since last time..}
> >
> > General Description:
> > At part or nil throttle, the blow-by gas in the crankcase is
drawn
> > into the inlet manifold through the connecting hoses and PCV
valve
> by
> > strong vacuum in the inlet manifold (strong vacuum opens the PCV
> > valve). Under these conditions, fresh air is introduced into both
> the
> > rocker covers via the air inlet duct and connecting hoses. The
> > crankcase (blow-by)gases, mixed with the fresh air, are drawn
> through
> > the hoses, PCV valve and into the inlet manifold.
> > At open throttle, under turbo boost, positive pressure is
created
> in
> > the inlet MANIFOLD ,ie. the inlet MANIFOLD has no vacuum and
hence
> > the PCV valve is shut.
> > Under these conditions the system works in reverse. Blow-by
gases
> are
> > drawn into the air intake duct via the rocker cover hoses and
hose
> > off the crankcase, prior to the PCV valve (shown in diagram
below).
> > During these conditions, the inlet air being fed is not 100%
fresh
> > air but a mixture of fresh air and blow-by gases. This also
leaves
> an
> > oily film, over time, in the inlet ducting, turbo and intercooler.
> > 100% fresh air would be a better alternative.
> > Mods:.....
> > 1. The hoses from the both the rocker covers come together as
one
> and
> > lead to the air inlet duct. (see 'A' in dia). I have pulled
this
> hose out and plugged
> > the hole in the air inlet duct. On the end of the pulled out
hose,
> I
> > have fitted an oil foamed filter, a mini version of a uni-fliter
if
> > you like. Now the system can draw fresh air into the rocker
covers
> > whenever required but will not allow blow-by gases to be drawn
into
> > the air inlet duct. It now 'breathes'. This is similar to the
pre-
> > emission days when engines used to 'breathe' through the rocker
> cover
> > oil filler cap.
> > 2. There is another hose that links from the air inlet duct, to
> the
> > crankcase hose and PCV valve. (see 'B' in diagram) I have plugged
> the
> > section leading from the air inlet duct. This now allows
crankcase
> > vapours to be drawn in the inlet MANIFOLD via the PCV valve but
> stops
> > the crankcase vapours being drawn into the air inlet DUCTING.
This
> is
> > now 'one-way' if you like.
> > Realize though, that this is not legal under emission control
> laws but the
> > only thing that can be visually seen is the tiny foam air filter.
> Can be put back to std in 'blink of the eye', or could be hidden
with
> a bit of imagination.
> > This should also make a difference to the airflow meter readings -

> it now has the exact
> > amount of air entering the engine, as is couldn't know what was
> being drawn in through the blow-by hoses.
> > I also removed the air ducting / intercooler and cleaned the oily
> > film off everything and it is still spotless. I have been running
> > like this now for quite a while.
> > Regards, Rod
> >
> >
> > Emission control Mods


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? box between intake and turbo

Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2001 4:39 pm
by mike p.
--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "mike p." <ob1poor@y...> wrote:
> can anyone give me any ideas as how to make a filter or what kind
to
> buy for the hoses? also, i want to take the "box" completely out
but was concerned with the pressure sensor hoses. if i disconect the
sensor hoses(the two smaller hoses on the box, one underneath towards
the filter side and the other in the front, that run to the pressure
sensor) and just let them open to the engine compartment am i going
to have problems with the pressure sensor or anything?
>
> --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., daniel.wilson@d... wrote:
> > Rod have you got a better picture of that so I can OCR it?
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Rod" <melrod@o...> wrote:
> > > Hi group,
> > > Purpose of this : to stop oily, blow-by gases getting into the
> air
> > inlet. (digrams attached) -[updated since last time..}
> > >
> > > General Description:
> > > At part or nil throttle, the blow-by gas in the crankcase is
> drawn
> > > into the inlet manifold through the connecting hoses and PCV
> valve
> > by
> > > strong vacuum in the inlet manifold (strong vacuum opens the
PCV
> > > valve). Under these conditions, fresh air is introduced into
both
> > the
> > > rocker covers via the air inlet duct and connecting hoses. The
> > > crankcase (blow-by)gases, mixed with the fresh air, are drawn
> > through
> > > the hoses, PCV valve and into the inlet manifold.
> > > At open throttle, under turbo boost, positive pressure is
> created
> > in
> > > the inlet MANIFOLD ,ie. the inlet MANIFOLD has no vacuum and
> hence
> > > the PCV valve is shut.
> > > Under these conditions the system works in reverse. Blow-by
> gases
> > are
> > > drawn into the air intake duct via the rocker cover hoses and
> hose
> > > off the crankcase, prior to the PCV valve (shown in diagram
> below).
> > > During these conditions, the inlet air being fed is not 100%
> fresh
> > > air but a mixture of fresh air and blow-by gases. This also
> leaves
> > an
> > > oily film, over time, in the inlet ducting, turbo and
intercooler.
> > > 100% fresh air would be a better alternative.
> > > Mods:.....
> > > 1. The hoses from the both the rocker covers come together as
> one
> > and
> > > lead to the air inlet duct. (see 'A' in dia). I have pulled
> this
> > hose out and plugged
> > > the hole in the air inlet duct. On the end of the pulled out
> hose,
> > I
> > > have fitted an oil foamed filter, a mini version of a uni-
fliter
> if
> > > you like. Now the system can draw fresh air into the rocker
> covers
> > > whenever required but will not allow blow-by gases to be drawn
> into
> > > the air inlet duct. It now 'breathes'. This is similar to the
> pre-
> > > emission days when engines used to 'breathe' through the rocker
> > cover
> > > oil filler cap.
> > > 2. There is another hose that links from the air inlet duct,
to
> > the
> > > crankcase hose and PCV valve. (see 'B' in diagram) I have
plugged
> > the
> > > section leading from the air inlet duct. This now allows
> crankcase
> > > vapours to be drawn in the inlet MANIFOLD via the PCV valve but
> > stops
> > > the crankcase vapours being drawn into the air inlet DUCTING.
> This
> > is
> > > now 'one-way' if you like.
> > > Realize though, that this is not legal under emission control
> > laws but the
> > > only thing that can be visually seen is the tiny foam air
filter.
> > Can be put back to std in 'blink of the eye', or could be hidden
> with
> > a bit of imagination.
> > > This should also make a difference to the airflow meter
readings -
>
> > it now has the exact
> > > amount of air entering the engine, as is couldn't know what was
> > being drawn in through the blow-by hoses.
> > > I also removed the air ducting / intercooler and cleaned the
oily
> > > film off everything and it is still spotless. I have been
running
> > > like this now for quite a while.
> > > Regards, Rod
> > >
> > >
> > > Emission control Mods


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? box between intake and turbo

Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2001 11:10 pm
by Rod
Mike,
i used a mini version of the oil foam uni-filter.
I got it from a auto parts store that sold uni filters. (On the Subaru when
a 'pod' style filter is used, two filters are rerquired, one as main air
filter and the other for the hose coming off the engine-bay resonatorbox
after the airfilter going to the 'bypass air control valve -for cold
starting. I would say any type foam similar to this will do the job.)
Just used a cable tie to hold it on.
The 'box' you refer to, is it the one i described above or is it the actual
filter box itself?
I am asuming it's the not the filter box. There is a small hose going to
the resonator box from the solenoid, this can go anywhere, though you must
keep the actual oem hose fitted, as it has a restrictor in it so the
solenoid
works properly. The only other hose connected is the one from the 'bypass
air control valve, described above, this would need a filter as it draws air
in.
cheers, Rod...in Oz.

----- Original Message -----
From: "mike p." <ob1poor@yahoo.com>
To: <BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 6:38 AM
Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: ? box between intake and turbo


> --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "mike p." <ob1poor@y...> wrote:
> > can anyone give me any ideas as how to make a filter or what kind
> to
> > buy for the hoses? also, i want to take the "box" completely out
> but was concerned with the pressure sensor hoses. if i disconect the
> sensor hoses(the two smaller hoses on the box, one underneath towards
> the filter side and the other in the front, that run to the pressure
> sensor) and just let them open to the engine compartment am i going
> to have problems with the pressure sensor or anything?
> >
> > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., daniel.wilson@d... wrote:
> > > Rod have you got a better picture of that so I can OCR it?
> > >
> > > Dan
> > >
> > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Rod" <melrod@o...> wrote:
> > > > Hi group,
> > > > Purpose of this : to stop oily, blow-by gases getting into the
> > air
> > > inlet. (digrams attached) -[updated since last time..}
> > > >
> > > > General Description:
> > > > At part or nil throttle, the blow-by gas in the crankcase is
> > drawn
> > > > into the inlet manifold through the connecting hoses and PCV
> > valve
> > > by
> > > > strong vacuum in the inlet manifold (strong vacuum opens the
> PCV
> > > > valve). Under these conditions, fresh air is introduced into
> both
> > > the
> > > > rocker covers via the air inlet duct and connecting hoses. The
> > > > crankcase (blow-by)gases, mixed with the fresh air, are drawn
> > > through
> > > > the hoses, PCV valve and into the inlet manifold.
> > > > At open throttle, under turbo boost, positive pressure is
> > created
> > > in
> > > > the inlet MANIFOLD ,ie. the inlet MANIFOLD has no vacuum and
> > hence
> > > > the PCV valve is shut.
> > > > Under these conditions the system works in reverse. Blow-by
> > gases
> > > are
> > > > drawn into the air intake duct via the rocker cover hoses and
> > hose
> > > > off the crankcase, prior to the PCV valve (shown in diagram
> > below).
> > > > During these conditions, the inlet air being fed is not 100%
> > fresh
> > > > air but a mixture of fresh air and blow-by gases. This also
> > leaves
> > > an
> > > > oily film, over time, in the inlet ducting, turbo and
> intercooler.
> > > > 100% fresh air would be a better alternative.
> > > > Mods:.....
> > > > 1. The hoses from the both the rocker covers come together as
> > one
> > > and
> > > > lead to the air inlet duct. (see 'A' in dia). I have pulled
> > this
> > > hose out and plugged
> > > > the hole in the air inlet duct. On the end of the pulled out
> > hose,
> > > I
> > > > have fitted an oil foamed filter, a mini version of a uni-
> fliter
> > if
> > > > you like. Now the system can draw fresh air into the rocker
> > covers
> > > > whenever required but will not allow blow-by gases to be drawn
> > into
> > > > the air inlet duct. It now 'breathes'. This is similar to the
> > pre-
> > > > emission days when engines used to 'breathe' through the rocker
> > > cover
> > > > oil filler cap.
> > > > 2. There is another hose that links from the air inlet duct,
> to
> > > the
> > > > crankcase hose and PCV valve. (see 'B' in diagram) I have
> plugged
> > > the
> > > > section leading from the air inlet duct. This now allows
> > crankcase
> > > > vapours to be drawn in the inlet MANIFOLD via the PCV valve but
> > > stops
> > > > the crankcase vapours being drawn into the air inlet DUCTING.
> > This
> > > is
> > > > now 'one-way' if you like.
> > > > Realize though, that this is not legal under emission control
> > > laws but the
> > > > only thing that can be visually seen is the tiny foam air
> filter.
> > > Can be put back to std in 'blink of the eye', or could be hidden
> > with
> > > a bit of imagination.
> > > > This should also make a difference to the airflow meter
> readings -
> >
> > > it now has the exact
> > > > amount of air entering the engine, as is couldn't know what was
> > > being drawn in through the blow-by hoses.
> > > > I also removed the air ducting / intercooler and cleaned the
> oily
> > > > film off everything and it is still spotless. I have been
> running
> > > > like this now for quite a while.
> > > > Regards, Rod
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Emission control Mods
>
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? box between intake and turbo

Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2001 12:03 am
by mike p.
rod, thanks a bunch :)

--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Rod" <melrod@o...> wrote:
> Mike,
> i used a mini version of the oil foam uni-filter.
> I got it from a auto parts store that sold uni filters. (On the
Subaru when
> a 'pod' style filter is used, two filters are rerquired, one as
main air
> filter and the other for the hose coming off the engine-bay
resonatorbox
> after the airfilter going to the 'bypass air control valve -for cold
> starting. I would say any type foam similar to this will do the
job.)
> Just used a cable tie to hold it on.
> The 'box' you refer to, is it the one i described above or is it
the actual
> filter box itself?
> I am asuming it's the not the filter box. There is a small hose
going to
> the resonator box from the solenoid, this can go anywhere, though
you must
> keep the actual oem hose fitted, as it has a restrictor in it so the
> solenoid
> works properly. The only other hose connected is the one from
the 'bypass
> air control valve, described above, this would need a filter as it
draws air
> in.
> cheers, Rod...in Oz.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "mike p." <ob1poor@y...>
> To: <BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...>
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 6:38 AM
> Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: ? box between intake and turbo
>
>
> > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "mike p." <ob1poor@y...> wrote:
> > > can anyone give me any ideas as how to make a filter or what
kind
> > to
> > > buy for the hoses? also, i want to take the "box" completely
out
> > but was concerned with the pressure sensor hoses. if i disconect
the
> > sensor hoses(the two smaller hoses on the box, one underneath
towards
> > the filter side and the other in the front, that run to the
pressure
> > sensor) and just let them open to the engine compartment am i
going
> > to have problems with the pressure sensor or anything?
> > >
> > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., daniel.wilson@d... wrote:
> > > > Rod have you got a better picture of that so I can OCR it?
> > > >
> > > > Dan
> > > >
> > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Rod" <melrod@o...> wrote:
> > > > > Hi group,
> > > > > Purpose of this : to stop oily, blow-by gases getting into
the
> > > air
> > > > inlet. (digrams attached) -[updated since last time..}
> > > > >
> > > > > General Description:
> > > > > At part or nil throttle, the blow-by gas in the crankcase is
> > > drawn
> > > > > into the inlet manifold through the connecting hoses and PCV
> > > valve
> > > > by
> > > > > strong vacuum in the inlet manifold (strong vacuum opens the
> > PCV
> > > > > valve). Under these conditions, fresh air is introduced into
> > both
> > > > the
> > > > > rocker covers via the air inlet duct and connecting hoses.
The
> > > > > crankcase (blow-by)gases, mixed with the fresh air, are
drawn
> > > > through
> > > > > the hoses, PCV valve and into the inlet manifold.
> > > > > At open throttle, under turbo boost, positive pressure is
> > > created
> > > > in
> > > > > the inlet MANIFOLD ,ie. the inlet MANIFOLD has no vacuum and
> > > hence
> > > > > the PCV valve is shut.
> > > > > Under these conditions the system works in reverse. Blow-
by
> > > gases
> > > > are
> > > > > drawn into the air intake duct via the rocker cover hoses
and
> > > hose
> > > > > off the crankcase, prior to the PCV valve (shown in diagram
> > > below).
> > > > > During these conditions, the inlet air being fed is not
100%
> > > fresh
> > > > > air but a mixture of fresh air and blow-by gases. This also
> > > leaves
> > > > an
> > > > > oily film, over time, in the inlet ducting, turbo and
> > intercooler.
> > > > > 100% fresh air would be a better alternative.
> > > > > Mods:.....
> > > > > 1. The hoses from the both the rocker covers come together
as
> > > one
> > > > and
> > > > > lead to the air inlet duct. (see 'A' in dia). I have
pulled
> > > this
> > > > hose out and plugged
> > > > > the hole in the air inlet duct. On the end of the pulled
out
> > > hose,
> > > > I
> > > > > have fitted an oil foamed filter, a mini version of a uni-
> > fliter
> > > if
> > > > > you like. Now the system can draw fresh air into the rocker
> > > covers
> > > > > whenever required but will not allow blow-by gases to be
drawn
> > > into
> > > > > the air inlet duct. It now 'breathes'. This is similar to
the
> > > pre-
> > > > > emission days when engines used to 'breathe' through the
rocker
> > > > cover
> > > > > oil filler cap.
> > > > > 2. There is another hose that links from the air inlet
duct,
> > to
> > > > the
> > > > > crankcase hose and PCV valve. (see 'B' in diagram) I have
> > plugged
> > > > the
> > > > > section leading from the air inlet duct. This now allows
> > > crankcase
> > > > > vapours to be drawn in the inlet MANIFOLD via the PCV valve
but
> > > > stops
> > > > > the crankcase vapours being drawn into the air inlet
DUCTING.
> > > This
> > > > is
> > > > > now 'one-way' if you like.
> > > > > Realize though, that this is not legal under emission
control
> > > > laws but the
> > > > > only thing that can be visually seen is the tiny foam air
> > filter.
> > > > Can be put back to std in 'blink of the eye', or could be
hidden
> > > with
> > > > a bit of imagination.
> > > > > This should also make a difference to the airflow meter
> > readings -
> > >
> > > > it now has the exact
> > > > > amount of air entering the engine, as is couldn't know what
was
> > > > being drawn in through the blow-by hoses.
> > > > > I also removed the air ducting / intercooler and cleaned the
> > oily
> > > > > film off everything and it is still spotless. I have been
> > running
> > > > > like this now for quite a while.
> > > > > Regards, Rod
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Emission control Mods
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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? box between intake and turbo

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2001 10:58 am
by mike p.
--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "mike p." <ob1poor@y...> wrote:
> rod ok here's the problem from what i figure the resonator box is
connected to three hoses, two smaller ones(one going to the #2valve
purge and the other to the wastegate control solenoid valve) and one
larger hose(from what i can tell going to the ISC valve, keep in mind
i got this info from my haynes manual so that's all i have to go
on). now the problem starts when i unhook the larger hose, my car
simply won't start. i don't have any other hoses plugged or
disconected either, is that the problem or something else? please
help....
>
> --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Rod" <melrod@o...> wrote:
> > Mike,
> > i used a mini version of the oil foam uni-filter.
> > I got it from a auto parts store that sold uni filters. (On the
> Subaru when
> > a 'pod' style filter is used, two filters are rerquired, one as
> main air
> > filter and the other for the hose coming off the engine-bay
> resonatorbox
> > after the airfilter going to the 'bypass air control valve -for
cold
> > starting. I would say any type foam similar to this will do the
> job.)
> > Just used a cable tie to hold it on.
> > The 'box' you refer to, is it the one i described above or is it
> the actual
> > filter box itself?
> > I am asuming it's the not the filter box. There is a small hose
> going to
> > the resonator box from the solenoid, this can go anywhere, though
> you must
> > keep the actual oem hose fitted, as it has a restrictor in it so
the
> > solenoid
> > works properly. The only other hose connected is the one from
> the 'bypass
> > air control valve, described above, this would need a filter as
it
> draws air
> > in.
> > cheers, Rod...in Oz.
> >



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? box between intake and turbo

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2001 11:25 am
by mike p.
--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "mike p." <ob1poor@y...> wrote:
> --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "mike p." <ob1poor@y...> wrote:
> rod ok here's the problem from what i figure the resonator box is
> connected to three hoses, two smaller ones(one going to the #2valve
> purge and the other to the wastegate control solenoid valve) and
one
> larger hose(from what i can tell going to the ISC valve, keep in
mind
> i got this info from my haynes manual so that's all i have to go
> on). now the problem starts when i unhook the larger hose, my car
> simply won't start. i don't have any other hoses plugged or
> disconected either, is that the problem or something else? ok, i
think i know what's going on here, are you talking about a turbo or
a N/A engine. i have a turbo. i think the isc valve is actually the
idle air control valve that lets air go by the throttle plate to let
the engine idle. if so how can i get rid of the resonator box but
keep this working? would a nipple adapter be sufficient? if you are
talking about a turbo i must be missing something though. i really
would like to get rid of the resonator box though and put a nice
straight pipe in.
> >
> > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Rod" <melrod@o...> wrote:
> > > Mike,
> > > i used a mini version of the oil foam uni-filter.
> > > I got it from a auto parts store that sold uni filters. (On the
> > Subaru when
> > > a 'pod' style filter is used, two filters are rerquired, one as
> > main air
> > > filter and the other for the hose coming off the engine-bay
> > resonatorbox
> > > after the airfilter going to the 'bypass air control valve -for
> cold
> > > starting. I would say any type foam similar to this will do the
> > job.)
> > > Just used a cable tie to hold it on.
> > > The 'box' you refer to, is it the one i described above or is
it
> > the actual
> > > filter box itself?
> > > I am asuming it's the not the filter box. There is a small
hose
> > going to
> > > the resonator box from the solenoid, this can go anywhere,
though
> > you must
> > > keep the actual oem hose fitted, as it has a restrictor in it
so
> the
> > > solenoid
> > > works properly. The only other hose connected is the one from
> > the 'bypass
> > > air control valve, described above, this would need a filter as
> it
> > draws air
> > > in.
> > > cheers, Rod...in Oz.
> > >


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? box between intake and turbo

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2001 12:50 pm
by mike p.
rod ok here's the problem from what i figure the resonator box is
connected to three hoses, two smaller ones(one going to the #2valve
purge and the other to the wastegate control solenoid valve) and
one
larger hose(from what i can tell going to the ISC valve, keep in
mind
i got this info from my haynes manual so that's all i have to go
on). now the problem starts when i unhook the larger hose, my car
simply won't start. i don't have any other hoses plugged or
disconected either, is that the problem or something else? ok, i
think i know what's going on here, are you talking about a turbo or
a N/A engine. i have a turbo. i think the isc valve is actually
the
idle air control valve that lets air go by the throttle plate to let
the engine idle. if so how can i get rid of the resonator box but
keep this working? would a nipple adapter be sufficient? if you
are
talking about a turbo i must be missing something though. i really
would like to get rid of the resonator box though and put a nice
straight pipe in.
> > >
> > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Rod" <melrod@o...> wrote:
> > > > Mike,
> > > > i used a mini version of the oil foam uni-filter.
> > > > I got it from a auto parts store that sold uni filters. (On
the
> > > Subaru when
> > > > a 'pod' style filter is used, two filters are rerquired, one
as
> > > main air
> > > > filter and the other for the hose coming off the engine-bay
> > > resonatorbox
> > > > after the airfilter going to the 'bypass air control valve -
for
> > cold
> > > > starting. I would say any type foam similar to this will do
the
> > > job.)
> > > > Just used a cable tie to hold it on.
> > > > The 'box' you refer to, is it the one i described above or is
> it
> > > the actual
> > > > filter box itself?
> > > > I am asuming it's the not the filter box. There is a small
> hose
> > > going to
> > > > the resonator box from the solenoid, this can go anywhere,
> though
> > > you must
> > > > keep the actual oem hose fitted, as it has a restrictor in it
> so
> > the
> > > > solenoid
> > > > works properly. The only other hose connected is the one from
> > > the 'bypass
> > > > air control valve, described above, this would need a filter
as
> > it
> > > draws air
> > > > in.
> > > > cheers, Rod...in Oz.
> > > >


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? box between intake and turbo

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2001 9:45 pm
by Rod
Mike,
when you unplugged the lager hose did you block the hole left in the
resonator box? If not, this would be the problem.
Yes we are talking turbo's.
ps i have sent to you direct some pictures that may help.
cheers, Rod ....in Oz

----- Original Message -----
From: "mike p." <>
To: <BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2001 2:49 AM
Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: ? box between intake and turbo


> rod ok here's the problem from what i figure the resonator box is
> connected to three hoses, two smaller ones(one going to the #2valve
> purge and the other to the wastegate control solenoid valve) and
> one
> larger hose(from what i can tell going to the ISC valve, keep in
> mind
> i got this info from my haynes manual so that's all i have to go
> on). now the problem starts when i unhook the larger hose, my car
> simply won't start. i don't have any other hoses plugged or
> disconected either, is that the problem or something else? ok, i
> think i know what's going on here, are you talking about a turbo or
> a N/A engine. i have a turbo. i think the isc valve is actually
> the
> idle air control valve that lets air go by the throttle plate to let
> the engine idle. if so how can i get rid of the resonator box but
> keep this working? would a nipple adapter be sufficient? if you
> are
> talking about a turbo i must be missing something though. i really
> would like to get rid of the resonator box though and put a nice
> straight pipe in.
> > > >
> > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Rod" <melrod@o...> wrote:
> > > > > Mike,
> > > > > i used a mini version of the oil foam uni-filter.
> > > > > I got it from a auto parts store that sold uni filters. (On
> the
> > > > Subaru when
> > > > > a 'pod' style filter is used, two filters are rerquired, one
> as
> > > > main air
> > > > > filter and the other for the hose coming off the engine-bay
> > > > resonatorbox
> > > > > after the airfilter going to the 'bypass air control valve -
> for
> > > cold
> > > > > starting. I would say any type foam similar to this will do
> the
> > > > job.)
> > > > > Just used a cable tie to hold it on.
> > > > > The 'box' you refer to, is it the one i described above or is
> > it
> > > > the actual
> > > > > filter box itself?
> > > > > I am asuming it's the not the filter box. There is a small
> > hose
> > > > going to
> > > > > the resonator box from the solenoid, this can go anywhere,
> > though
> > > > you must
> > > > > keep the actual oem hose fitted, as it has a restrictor in it
> > so
> > > the
> > > > > solenoid
> > > > > works properly. The only other hose connected is the one from
> > > > the 'bypass
> > > > > air control valve, described above, this would need a filter
> as
> > > it
> > > > draws air
> > > > > in.
> > > > > cheers, Rod...in Oz.
> > > > >
>
>
>
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? box between intake and turbo

Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2001 12:04 pm
by mike p.
rod, thanks for the pics. the one in the bottom right corner is
pretty much what i am shooting for. a replacement resonator box.
and from the picture i guess i do have to have that hose attached.
and yeah, i had the hole blocked, i actually have the new piece done
and had it in place but there are no holes for hoses so yeah it was
just a straight closed piece in place of the resonator box and the
larger hose attached i put a filter on and let it sit open to the
engine compartment. also i liked the air intake pipe pics. i was
already thinking about that too. i was kicking around the idea of
taking the pipe right through the fender straight across from the air
box and making a kind of scoop for it. it'd shorten the distance the
air would have to travel and i think the scoop on the side of the
fender would look pretty neat. thanks for all your help.

--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Rod" <melrod@o...> wrote:
> Mike,
> when you unplugged the lager hose did you block the hole left in the
> resonator box? If not, this would be the problem.
> Yes we are talking turbo's.
> ps i have sent to you direct some pictures that may help.
> cheers, Rod ....in Oz
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "mike p." <>
> To: <BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...>
> Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2001 2:49 AM
> Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: ? box between intake and turbo
>
>
> > rod ok here's the problem from what i figure the resonator box is
> > connected to three hoses, two smaller ones(one going to the
#2valve
> > purge and the other to the wastegate control solenoid valve) and
> > one
> > larger hose(from what i can tell going to the ISC valve, keep in
> > mind
> > i got this info from my haynes manual so that's all i have to go
> > on). now the problem starts when i unhook the larger hose, my
car
> > simply won't start. i don't have any other hoses plugged or
> > disconected either, is that the problem or something else? ok, i
> > think i know what's going on here, are you talking about a
turbo or
> > a N/A engine. i have a turbo. i think the isc valve is actually
> > the
> > idle air control valve that lets air go by the throttle plate to
let
> > the engine idle. if so how can i get rid of the resonator box
but
> > keep this working? would a nipple adapter be sufficient? if you
> > are
> > talking about a turbo i must be missing something though. i
really
> > would like to get rid of the resonator box though and put a nice
> > straight pipe in.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Rod" <melrod@o...> wrote:
> > > > > > Mike,
> > > > > > i used a mini version of the oil foam uni-filter.
> > > > > > I got it from a auto parts store that sold uni filters.
(On
> > the
> > > > > Subaru when
> > > > > > a 'pod' style filter is used, two filters are rerquired,
one
> > as
> > > > > main air
> > > > > > filter and the other for the hose coming off the engine-
bay
> > > > > resonatorbox
> > > > > > after the airfilter going to the 'bypass air control
valve -
> > for
> > > > cold
> > > > > > starting. I would say any type foam similar to this will
do
> > the
> > > > > job.)
> > > > > > Just used a cable tie to hold it on.
> > > > > > The 'box' you refer to, is it the one i described above
or is
> > > it
> > > > > the actual
> > > > > > filter box itself?
> > > > > > I am asuming it's the not the filter box. There is a
small
> > > hose
> > > > > going to
> > > > > > the resonator box from the solenoid, this can go anywhere,
> > > though
> > > > > you must
> > > > > > keep the actual oem hose fitted, as it has a restrictor
in it
> > > so
> > > > the
> > > > > > solenoid
> > > > > > works properly. The only other hose connected is the one
from
> > > > > the 'bypass
> > > > > > air control valve, described above, this would need a
filter
> > as
> > > > it
> > > > > draws air
> > > > > > in.
> > > > > > cheers, Rod...in Oz.
> > > > > >
> >
> >
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