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93 twin turbo mods (was 93 GT)

Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2001 7:51 pm
by jason grahn
well i dunno josh... There are a couple schools of thought here...

The primary one here, is the one that most drag racers use. Take out BOTH
turbos and just replace it with one big turbo, say something to the degree
of a t78. That's something that TT Supras, RX-7s, GTOs, and 300zx's have
been doing for a while. yes, this will increase turbo lag, but depending on
your setup, it may not be too terrible. this setup will indeed give you the
most reliable horsepower. mate this to a 3 inch exhaust from the turbo back,
increased fuel and spark; and you'd have yourself one damn fast legacy.

Another thing to do would be to see if there is an upgrade kit available
that would increase the size of both turbos. This would keep them
proportionally similar to the stock design.

What you were saying about overspooling the primary turbo may or may not be
true. When it comes down to turbos, if you want horsepower, you don't want
your cats.

Tim, you won't want to have both turbos coming on at the same time, that
defeats the purpose of the twin turbo design - small turbo for boost at low
rpms, and the biggun will take over and make big boost up top.

So to recap: A) get 1 big turbo. B) get a replacement kit that increases
both turbos proportionally. C) free-er flowing exhaust is always better for
turbos.

-Jason

>From: "Josh Colombo" <jcc189@psu.edu>
>no I do not believe so, I don't think it would produce good results, how
>the plumbing is setup to the turbos, also, I'm not really sure how boost
>would come on, and such.
>
>The thing that is going to produce the best results, for your particular
>car and config is to get a larger exhaust, cat-back. DO NOT remove the
>cats, you will overspool primary turbo. Then get a larger secondary
>turbo, for more boost/power at higher rpms.


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93 twin turbo mods (was 93 GT)

Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2001 8:11 pm
by Josh Colombo
Jason, you are correct about normal turbo setups with removing the cats and so forth. The way subaru setup the twin turbo design was quite ingenious in helping reduce turbo lag. The primary smaller turbo has roller bearings. I'm not sure how much you know about bearings, but roller bearings are probably one of the best out there for reducing friction, high revving, and stuff. That smaller turbo will over spool. There have been people that have removed the cats and have overspooled the primary turbo. Mainly people over in austrailia and such. Don't know if dan is around, but he can vouch for this info too.

Josh

************************************
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"Life, an ever-changing melody
of beats and rhythm" - ME
************************************


-----Original Message-----
From: jason grahn [mailto:jgrahn555@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 6:50 PM
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] 93 twin turbo mods (was 93 GT)


well i dunno josh... There are a couple schools of thought here...

The primary one here, is the one that most drag racers use. Take out BOTH
turbos and just replace it with one big turbo, say something to the degree
of a t78. That's something that TT Supras, RX-7s, GTOs, and 300zx's have
been doing for a while. yes, this will increase turbo lag, but depending on
your setup, it may not be too terrible. this setup will indeed give you the
most reliable horsepower. mate this to a 3 inch exhaust from the turbo back,
increased fuel and spark; and you'd have yourself one damn fast legacy.

Another thing to do would be to see if there is an upgrade kit available
that would increase the size of both turbos. This would keep them
proportionally similar to the stock design.

What you were saying about overspooling the primary turbo may or may not be
true. When it comes down to turbos, if you want horsepower, you don't want
your cats.

Tim, you won't want to have both turbos coming on at the same time, that
defeats the purpose of the twin turbo design - small turbo for boost at low
rpms, and the biggun will take over and make big boost up top.

So to recap: A) get 1 big turbo. B) get a replacement kit that increases
both turbos proportionally. C) free-er flowing exhaust is always better for
turbos.

-Jason

>From: "Josh Colombo" <jcc189@psu.edu>
>no I do not believe so, I don't think it would produce good results, how
>the plumbing is setup to the turbos, also, I'm not really sure how boost
>would come on, and such.
>
>The thing that is going to produce the best results, for your particular
>car and config is to get a larger exhaust, cat-back. DO NOT remove the
>cats, you will overspool primary turbo. Then get a larger secondary
>turbo, for more boost/power at higher rpms.


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93 twin turbo mods (was 93 GT)

Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2001 8:11 pm
by Wilson, Tim
sweet as ill look around check out some places to see if they have a kit like you describe, so what you mean is to ugrade the turbos (get bigger ones)
but still have one smaller than the other?

-----Original Message-----
From: jason grahn [mailto:jgrahn555@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 11:50 AM
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] 93 twin turbo mods (was 93 GT)


well i dunno josh... There are a couple schools of thought here...

The primary one here, is the one that most drag racers use. Take out BOTH
turbos and just replace it with one big turbo, say something to the degree
of a t78. That's something that TT Supras, RX-7s, GTOs, and 300zx's have
been doing for a while. yes, this will increase turbo lag, but depending on
your setup, it may not be too terrible. this setup will indeed give you the
most reliable horsepower. mate this to a 3 inch exhaust from the turbo back,
increased fuel and spark; and you'd have yourself one damn fast legacy.

Another thing to do would be to see if there is an upgrade kit available
that would increase the size of both turbos. This would keep them
proportionally similar to the stock design.

What you were saying about overspooling the primary turbo may or may not be
true. When it comes down to turbos, if you want horsepower, you don't want
your cats.

Tim, you won't want to have both turbos coming on at the same time, that
defeats the purpose of the twin turbo design - small turbo for boost at low
rpms, and the biggun will take over and make big boost up top.

So to recap: A) get 1 big turbo. B) get a replacement kit that increases
both turbos proportionally. C) free-er flowing exhaust is always better for
turbos.

-Jason

>From: "Josh Colombo" <jcc189@psu.edu>
>no I do not believe so, I don't think it would produce good results, how
>the plumbing is setup to the turbos, also, I'm not really sure how boost
>would come on, and such.
>
>The thing that is going to produce the best results, for your particular
>car and config is to get a larger exhaust, cat-back. DO NOT remove the
>cats, you will overspool primary turbo. Then get a larger secondary
>turbo, for more boost/power at higher rpms.


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93 twin turbo mods (was 93 GT)

Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2001 8:21 pm
by jason grahn
oh, well damn then. well, one big turbo then. And i'd like to get my hands
on one of those smaller turbos. Anyone know how big they are compared to the
stock bc-bf USA turbo?


>From: "Josh Colombo" <jcc189@psu.edu>
>Reply-To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
>To: <BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: RE: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] 93 twin turbo mods (was 93 GT)
>Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 194:55 -0500
>
>Jason, you are correct about normal turbo setups with removing the cats
>and so forth. The way subaru setup the twin turbo design was quite
>ingenious in helping reduce turbo lag. The primary smaller turbo has
>roller bearings. I'm not sure how much you know about bearings, but
>roller bearings are probably one of the best out there for reducing
>friction, high revving, and stuff. That smaller turbo will over spool.
>There have been people that have removed the cats and have overspooled
>the primary turbo. Mainly people over in austrailia and such. Don't
>know if dan is around, but he can vouch for this info too.
>
>Josh
>
>************************************
>Josh Colombo
>jcc189@psu.edu <mailto:jcc189@psu.edu>
>
>"Life, an ever-changing melody
> of beats and rhythm" - ME
>************************************
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: jason grahn [mailto:jgrahn555@hotmail.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 6:50 PM
>To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] 93 twin turbo mods (was 93 GT)
>
>
>well i dunno josh... There are a couple schools of thought here...
>
>The primary one here, is the one that most drag racers use. Take out
>BOTH
>turbos and just replace it with one big turbo, say something to the
>degree
>of a t78. That's something that TT Supras, RX-7s, GTOs, and 300zx's have
>
>been doing for a while. yes, this will increase turbo lag, but
>depending on
>your setup, it may not be too terrible. this setup will indeed give you
>the
>most reliable horsepower. mate this to a 3 inch exhaust from the turbo
>back,
>increased fuel and spark; and you'd have yourself one damn fast legacy.
>
>Another thing to do would be to see if there is an upgrade kit available
>
>that would increase the size of both turbos. This would keep them
>proportionally similar to the stock design.
>
>What you were saying about overspooling the primary turbo may or may not
>be
>true. When it comes down to turbos, if you want horsepower, you don't
>want
>your cats.
>
>Tim, you won't want to have both turbos coming on at the same time, that
>
>defeats the purpose of the twin turbo design - small turbo for boost at
>low
>rpms, and the biggun will take over and make big boost up top.
>
>So to recap: A) get 1 big turbo. B) get a replacement kit that increases
>
>both turbos proportionally. C) free-er flowing exhaust is always better
>for
>turbos.
>
>-Jason
>
> >From: "Josh Colombo" <jcc189@psu.edu>
> >no I do not believe so, I don't think it would produce good results,
>how
> >the plumbing is setup to the turbos, also, I'm not really sure how
>boost
> >would come on, and such.
> >
> >The thing that is going to produce the best results, for your
>particular
> >car and config is to get a larger exhaust, cat-back. DO NOT remove the
> >cats, you will overspool primary turbo. Then get a larger secondary
> >turbo, for more boost/power at higher rpms.
>
>
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