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i need some input on an intercooler size and the flow of it. the
size would be approx. 35"x5"x3" and would be front mounted and
air/air. would that get me any cooler air? or would it do more harm
than good?


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You're opening a huge can of worms with a front mounted intercooler on a subie. The people that I have successfully seen do a front mounted intercooler have turned around the entire intake and made the throttle be in the front, but still ran quite a bit of ducting work.

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i need some input on an intercooler size and the flow of it. the
size would be approx. 35"x5"x3" and would be front mounted and
air/air. would that get me any cooler air? or would it do more harm
than good?


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yeah i've seen that(intakes turned around) but i'm just trying to
find a way to get a little cooler air and i really don't see me
having enough room for a top mount. i'm thinking that the length of
the ducting will, hopefully, after proper heat taping, drop the
cooled air maybe a degree or two.

--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Josh Colombo" <jcc189@p...> wrote:
> You're opening a huge can of worms with a front mounted intercooler
on a
> subie. The people that I have successfully seen do a front mounted
> intercooler have turned around the entire intake and made the
throttle
> be in the front, but still ran quite a bit of ducting work.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mike p.
> Sent: Thu 11/8/2001 12:21 PM
> To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> Cc:
> Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] intercooling size?
>
>
>
> i need some input on an intercooler size and the flow of it.
> the
> size would be approx. 35"x5"x3" and would be front mounted
and
> air/air. would that get me any cooler air? or would it do
more
> harm
> than good?
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A degree or two isn't going to make that much difference. I'm assuming
you have a turbo correct? Why wouldn't a top mount work?

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-----Original Message-----
From: mike p. [mailto:ob1poor@yahoo.com]
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Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: intercooling size?


yeah i've seen that(intakes turned around) but i'm just trying to
find a way to get a little cooler air and i really don't see me
having enough room for a top mount. i'm thinking that the length of
the ducting will, hopefully, after proper heat taping, drop the
cooled air maybe a degree or two.

--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Josh Colombo" <jcc189@p...> wrote:
> You're opening a huge can of worms with a front mounted intercooler
on a
> subie. The people that I have successfully seen do a front mounted
> intercooler have turned around the entire intake and made the
throttle
> be in the front, but still ran quite a bit of ducting work.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mike p.
> Sent: Thu 11/8/2001 12:21 PM
> To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> Cc:
> Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] intercooling size?
>
>
>
> i need some input on an intercooler size and the flow of it.
> the
> size would be approx. 35"x5"x3" and would be front mounted
and
> air/air. would that get me any cooler air? or would it do
more
> harm
> than good?
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yup, 92 4wd legacy turbo. as far as a top mount, i don't see how i'd
have enough room unless i bought one custom made and that's some cash.

--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Josh Colombo" <jcc189@p...> wrote:
> A degree or two isn't going to make that much difference. I'm
assuming
> you have a turbo correct? Why wouldn't a top mount work?
>
> ************************************
> Josh Colombo
> jcc189@p... <mailto:jcc189@p...>
>
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> of beats and rhythm" - ME
> ************************************
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mike p. [mailto:ob1poor@y...]
> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 1:14 PM
> To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: intercooling size?
>
>
> yeah i've seen that(intakes turned around) but i'm just trying to
> find a way to get a little cooler air and i really don't see me
> having enough room for a top mount. i'm thinking that the length
of
> the ducting will, hopefully, after proper heat taping, drop the
> cooled air maybe a degree or two.
>
> --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Josh Colombo" <jcc189@p...> wrote:
> > You're opening a huge can of worms with a front mounted
intercooler
> on a
> > subie. The people that I have successfully seen do a front
mounted
> > intercooler have turned around the entire intake and made the
> throttle
> > be in the front, but still ran quite a bit of ducting work.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mike p.
> > Sent: Thu 11/8/2001 12:21 PM
> > To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > Cc:
> > Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] intercooling size?
> >
> >
> >
> > i need some input on an intercooler size and the flow of it.
> > the
> > size would be approx. 35"x5"x3" and would be front mounted
> and
> > air/air. would that get me any cooler air? or would it do
> more
> > harm
> > than good?
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oh, yeah, what i meant about the ducting was that the length of it
should only affect the temperature a degree or two higher, because
it'd have to travel farther and go back by the engine again and pick
up some heat.


--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "mike p." <ob1poor@y...> wrote:
> yup, 92 4wd legacy turbo. as far as a top mount, i don't see how
i'd
> have enough room unless i bought one custom made and that's some
cash.
>
> --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Josh Colombo" <jcc189@p...> wrote:
> > A degree or two isn't going to make that much difference. I'm
> assuming
> > you have a turbo correct? Why wouldn't a top mount work?
> >
> > ************************************
> > Josh Colombo
> > jcc189@p... <mailto:jcc189@p...>
> >
> > "Life, an ever-changing melody
> > of beats and rhythm" - ME
> > ************************************
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mike p. [mailto:ob1poor@y...]
> > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 1:14 PM
> > To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: intercooling size?
> >
> >
> > yeah i've seen that(intakes turned around) but i'm just trying to
> > find a way to get a little cooler air and i really don't see me
> > having enough room for a top mount. i'm thinking that the length
> of
> > the ducting will, hopefully, after proper heat taping, drop the
> > cooled air maybe a degree or two.
> >
> > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Josh Colombo" <jcc189@p...> wrote:
> > > You're opening a huge can of worms with a front mounted
> intercooler
> > on a
> > > subie. The people that I have successfully seen do a front
> mounted
> > > intercooler have turned around the entire intake and made the
> > throttle
> > > be in the front, but still ran quite a bit of ducting work.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: mike p.
> > > Sent: Thu 11/8/2001 12:21 PM
> > > To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> > > Cc:
> > > Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] intercooling size?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > i need some input on an intercooler size and the flow of it.
> > > the
> > > size would be approx. 35"x5"x3" and would be front mounted
> > and
> > > air/air. would that get me any cooler air? or would it do
> > more
> > > harm
> > > than good?
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oh man... Mike, i've been planning on a front mount intercooler on my legacy
turbo for a while now; i have the schematics and everything drawn out. This
is NOT a task for the light-hearted. lots of relocation and some of those
components that you've grown to love will have to go, AC and ABS in the
least if you want to make the install easy.

Lots of $$ and lots of time needed. NO HEAT TAPE. that will only trap in
turbo heat.

-Jason

>From: "mike p." <ob1poor@yahoo.com>
>yeah i've seen that(intakes turned around) but i'm just trying to
>find a way to get a little cooler air and i really don't see me
>having enough room for a top mount. i'm thinking that the length of
>the ducting will, hopefully, after proper heat taping, drop the
>cooled air maybe a degree or two.


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Why wouldnt you go with Water to Air system? You could get one complete
cheap out of New Zealand or Australia and it would bolt right in (basically)?
Mark
www.rrunracing.com

At 06:21 PM 11/08/2001 +0000, you wrote:
>i need some input on an intercooler size and the flow of it. the
>size would be approx. 35"x5"x3" and would be front mounted and
>air/air. would that get me any cooler air? or would it do more harm
>than good?
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i was under the impression that a water/air intercooler would take a
bit more in terms of rearranging things. maybe if all fails, or the
price is right, i'll check into that but for now i'm kinda set on an
air/air because i think if i can get it to flow well enough i can
build alot of it myself. just need to find out if 35x5x3 would be
big enough too cool anything. air/air are alot easier to build than
an air/water.


--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., Mark Ward <mark@r...> wrote:
> Why wouldnt you go with Water to Air system? You could get one
complete
> cheap out of New Zealand or Australia and it would bolt right in
(basically)?
> Mark
> www.rrunracing.com
>
> At 06:21 PM 11/08/2001 +0000, you wrote:
> >i need some input on an intercooler size and the flow of it. the
> >size would be approx. 35"x5"x3" and would be front mounted and
> >air/air. would that get me any cooler air? or would it do more
harm
> >than good?
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I think that the size you are talking about would give quite a bit but
where can you mount it ? will it go in front of the radiator ? One
thing you will notice with a front mount is lag but a top mount
doesn't work as well and water to air gets expensive very quickly as a
few of us that have ventured there can attest. We built one front
mount here it is the car that Byron has now. It was doing pretty well
here even with the lag. (318 hp at the crank with a big Garrett turbo
and lots of other goodies and that was at 5500' above sea level 13.58
1/4 mi.)
AL(CO)




--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "mike p." <ob1poor@y...> wrote:
> i was under the impression that a water/air intercooler would take a
> bit more in terms of rearranging things. maybe if all fails, or the
> price is right, i'll check into that but for now i'm kinda set on an
> air/air because i think if i can get it to flow well enough i can
> build alot of it myself. just need to find out if 35x5x3 would be
> big enough too cool anything. air/air are alot easier to build than
> an air/water.
>
>
> --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., Mark Ward <mark@r...> wrote:
> > Why wouldnt you go with Water to Air system? You could get one
> complete
> > cheap out of New Zealand or Australia and it would bolt right in
> (basically)?
> > Mark
> > www.rrunracing.com
> >
> > At 06:21 PM 11/08/2001 +0000, you wrote:
> > >i need some input on an intercooler size and the flow of it. the
> > >size would be approx. 35"x5"x3" and would be front mounted and
> > >air/air. would that get me any cooler air? or would it do more
> harm
> > >than good?
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yeah that's kinda why i was interested to find out if a 35x5x3 fmic
would work or not. i think i have space to fit something of that
size without too much trouble. i think i'm thinking of a different
tape, i know there's heat tape to keep heat in but i'm talking about
the aluminum foil lookin stuff that you can put on too reflect the
heat away. i can't think of what it's called right off the top of my
head, but i'm sure it'd help.



--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "jason grahn" <jgrahn555@h...> wrote:
> oh man... Mike, i've been planning on a front mount intercooler on
my legacy
> turbo for a while now; i have the schematics and everything drawn
out. This
> is NOT a task for the light-hearted. lots of relocation and some of
those
> components that you've grown to love will have to go, AC and ABS in
the
> least if you want to make the install easy.
>
> Lots of $$ and lots of time needed. NO HEAT TAPE. that will only
trap in
> turbo heat.
>
> -Jason
>
> >From: "mike p." <ob1poor@y...>
> >yeah i've seen that(intakes turned around) but i'm just trying to
> >find a way to get a little cooler air and i really don't see me
> >having enough room for a top mount. i'm thinking that the length
of
> >the ducting will, hopefully, after proper heat taping, drop the
> >cooled air maybe a degree or two.
>
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yeah i'm thinking in front of the radiator and at the bottom. looks
pretty promising but i'm going to take another look and do some
thinking.



--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., acroxford@h... wrote:
> I think that the size you are talking about would give quite a bit
but
> where can you mount it ? will it go in front of the radiator ? One
> thing you will notice with a front mount is lag but a top mount
> doesn't work as well and water to air gets expensive very quickly
as a
> few of us that have ventured there can attest. We built one front
> mount here it is the car that Byron has now. It was doing pretty
well
> here even with the lag. (318 hp at the crank with a big Garrett
turbo
> and lots of other goodies and that was at 5500' above sea level
13.58
> 1/4 mi.)
> AL(CO)
>
>
>
>
> --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "mike p." <ob1poor@y...> wrote:
> > i was under the impression that a water/air intercooler would
take a
> > bit more in terms of rearranging things. maybe if all fails, or
the
> > price is right, i'll check into that but for now i'm kinda set on
an
> > air/air because i think if i can get it to flow well enough i can
> > build alot of it myself. just need to find out if 35x5x3 would
be
> > big enough too cool anything. air/air are alot easier to build
than
> > an air/water.
> >
> >
> > --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., Mark Ward <mark@r...> wrote:
> > > Why wouldnt you go with Water to Air system? You could get one
> > complete
> > > cheap out of New Zealand or Australia and it would bolt right
in
> > (basically)?
> > > Mark
> > > www.rrunracing.com
> > >
> > > At 06:21 PM 11/08/2001 +0000, you wrote:
> > > >i need some input on an intercooler size and the flow of it.
the
> > > >size would be approx. 35"x5"x3" and would be front mounted and
> > > >air/air. would that get me any cooler air? or would it do
more
> > harm
> > > >than good?
> > > >
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nah, the intercoolers job is to shrug off heat. you don't want anything
covering it at all. anything covering the intercooler and/or pipes will only
hinder it's ability to transfer heat energy.

-Jason

>From: "mike p." <ob1poor@yahoo.com>
i think i have space to fit something of that
>size without too much trouble. i think i'm thinking of a different
>tape, i know there's heat tape to keep heat in but i'm talking about
>the aluminum foil lookin stuff that you can put on too reflect the
>heat away.

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jason, you say nah to taping the ducting to and from an intercooler?
seeing how it helps keep the intake cooler if the intake piping is
taped i'm not sure i understand how it wouldn't help the
intercooler. i could see why it would hurt the incoming ducting by
keeping excess heat in then entering the ic and being that much
hotter but i definately don't understand how the ducting exiting the
ic and going to the throttle body would be adversly affected. but
i'll take your word for it

--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "jason grahn" <jgrahn555@h...> wrote:
> nah, the intercoolers job is to shrug off heat. you don't want
anything
> covering it at all. anything covering the intercooler and/or pipes
will only
> hinder it's ability to transfer heat energy.
>
> -Jason
>
> >From: "mike p." <ob1poor@y...>
> i think i have space to fit something of that
> >size without too much trouble. i think i'm thinking of a different
> >tape, i know there's heat tape to keep heat in but i'm talking
about
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> >heat away.
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Hmm, i'm going to go against Jason on this.

The purpose of an intercooler is understood, it absorbs heat from
the intake charge after it's been compressed. Ok, that's great.

By wrapping all of the hoses and pipes leading to and from the
intercooler, especially if it's a front mount unit, will keep the
engine heat from overpowering the heat trying to escape via said
tubing. While piping that's not in the engine bay won't need to be
wrapped, it should be more beneficial to keep the heat in the pipes
isolated and let the intercooler do its job with a heat load that's
less likely to spike with engine temps.

Does this not make sense?

--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "mike p." <ob1poor@y...> wrote:
> jason, you say nah to taping the ducting to and from an
intercooler?
> seeing how it helps keep the intake cooler if the intake piping is
> taped i'm not sure i understand how it wouldn't help the
> intercooler. i could see why it would hurt the incoming ducting
by
> keeping excess heat in then entering the ic and being that much
> hotter but i definately don't understand how the ducting exiting
the
> ic and going to the throttle body would be adversly affected. but
> i'll take your word for it


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It would be most effective on the piping that goes from the IC to the
intake. You dont want to pick up any unwanted heat from the engine bay. You
want to keep the air cold going to the intake.
My .02 cents worth

Mark

At 07:13 PM 11/09/2001 +0000, you wrote:
>Hmm, i'm going to go against Jason on this.
>
>The purpose of an intercooler is understood, it absorbs heat from
>the intake charge after it's been compressed. Ok, that's great.
>
>By wrapping all of the hoses and pipes leading to and from the
>intercooler, especially if it's a front mount unit, will keep the
>engine heat from overpowering the heat trying to escape via said
>tubing. While piping that's not in the engine bay won't need to be
>wrapped, it should be more beneficial to keep the heat in the pipes
>isolated and let the intercooler do its job with a heat load that's
>less likely to spike with engine temps.
>
>Does this not make sense?
>
>--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "mike p." <ob1poor@y...> wrote:
> > jason, you say nah to taping the ducting to and from an
>intercooler?
> > seeing how it helps keep the intake cooler if the intake piping is
> > taped i'm not sure i understand how it wouldn't help the
> > intercooler. i could see why it would hurt the incoming ducting
>by
> > keeping excess heat in then entering the ic and being that much
> > hotter but i definately don't understand how the ducting exiting
>the
> > ic and going to the throttle body would be adversly affected. but
> > i'll take your word for it
>
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that's what i would think. my thinking is like this, the turbo
probably puts out the most heat in general(right?) so that being true
then the ducting from the turbo to the intercooler should be
unwrapped to have a better chance of dissipating that heat to the
engine compartment on the way to the IC, then the ducting to the
intake you would wrap to keep the cool air from picking up any engine
heat on the way. sound about right?



--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., Mark Ward <mark@r...> wrote:
> It would be most effective on the piping that goes from the IC to
the
> intake. You dont want to pick up any unwanted heat from the engine
bay. You
> want to keep the air cold going to the intake.
> My .02 cents worth
>
> Mark
>
> At 07:13 PM 11/09/2001 +0000, you wrote:
> >Hmm, i'm going to go against Jason on this.
> >
> >The purpose of an intercooler is understood, it absorbs heat from
> >the intake charge after it's been compressed. Ok, that's great.
> >
> >By wrapping all of the hoses and pipes leading to and from the
> >intercooler, especially if it's a front mount unit, will keep the
> >engine heat from overpowering the heat trying to escape via said
> >tubing. While piping that's not in the engine bay won't need to be
> >wrapped, it should be more beneficial to keep the heat in the pipes
> >isolated and let the intercooler do its job with a heat load that's
> >less likely to spike with engine temps.
> >
> >Does this not make sense?
> >
> >--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "mike p." <ob1poor@y...> wrote:
> > > jason, you say nah to taping the ducting to and from an
> >intercooler?
> > > seeing how it helps keep the intake cooler if the intake piping
is
> > > taped i'm not sure i understand how it wouldn't help the
> > > intercooler. i could see why it would hurt the incoming ducting
> >by
> > > keeping excess heat in then entering the ic and being that much
> > > hotter but i definately don't understand how the ducting exiting
> >the
> > > ic and going to the throttle body would be adversly affected.
but
> > > i'll take your word for it
> >
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>that's what i would think. my thinking is like this, the turbo
>probably puts out the most heat in general(right?) so that being true
>then the ducting from the turbo to the intercooler should be
>unwrapped to have a better chance of dissipating that heat to the
>engine compartment on the way to the IC, then the ducting to the
>intake you would wrap to keep the cool air from picking up any engine
>heat on the way.

This i can agree with. But i want to bring up two side points:

1: the pain in the @$$ that heat wrap is - if you're going to try and trap
in that cold-air do it with a thermal coating at least.

2: the negligable difference in heat that amount of piping has.
Having checked out byrons kit up close and personal, and having planned out
my own; that's not a lot of pipe. The amount of heated air picked up from
after the intercooler will be very small indeed. I'm sure we're all
familiar with the mitsubishi lancer and eclipse... With the front mount
intercooler on those intake temps at the throttlebody drop dramatically; and
they're throttlebody is in the back of the engine bay - much more
post-intercooler piping. With your intake reversed, your post-intercooler
piping will be quite short, thus no need for wrap. seriously.

-Jason


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point taken. personally though i don't think(at least didn't plan on
it) i'll be turning my intake around.


--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "jason grahn" <jgrahn555@h...> wrote:
> >that's what i would think. my thinking is like this, the turbo
> >probably puts out the most heat in general(right?) so that being
true
> >then the ducting from the turbo to the intercooler should be
> >unwrapped to have a better chance of dissipating that heat to the
> >engine compartment on the way to the IC, then the ducting to the
> >intake you would wrap to keep the cool air from picking up any
engine
> >heat on the way.
>
> This i can agree with. But i want to bring up two side points:
>
> 1: the pain in the @$$ that heat wrap is - if you're going to try
and trap
> in that cold-air do it with a thermal coating at least.
>
> 2: the negligable difference in heat that amount of piping has.
> Having checked out byrons kit up close and personal, and having
planned out
> my own; that's not a lot of pipe. The amount of heated air picked
up from
> after the intercooler will be very small indeed. I'm sure we're
all
> familiar with the mitsubishi lancer and eclipse... With the front
mount
> intercooler on those intake temps at the throttlebody drop
dramatically; and
> they're throttlebody is in the back of the engine bay - much more
> post-intercooler piping. With your intake reversed, your post-
intercooler
> piping will be quite short, thus no need for wrap. seriously.
>
> -Jason
>
>
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anyone have a cross section picture of an air/air intercooler or know
where i might be able to find one?


--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "mike p." <ob1poor@y...> wrote:
> point taken. personally though i don't think(at least didn't plan
on
> it) i'll be turning my intake around.
>
>
> --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "jason grahn" <jgrahn555@h...> wrote:
> > >that's what i would think. my thinking is like this, the turbo
> > >probably puts out the most heat in general(right?) so that being
> true
> > >then the ducting from the turbo to the intercooler should be
> > >unwrapped to have a better chance of dissipating that heat to the
> > >engine compartment on the way to the IC, then the ducting to the
> > >intake you would wrap to keep the cool air from picking up any
> engine
> > >heat on the way.
> >
> > This i can agree with. But i want to bring up two side points:
> >
> > 1: the pain in the @$$ that heat wrap is - if you're going to try
> and trap
> > in that cold-air do it with a thermal coating at least.
> >
> > 2: the negligable difference in heat that amount of piping has.
> > Having checked out byrons kit up close and personal, and having
> planned out
> > my own; that's not a lot of pipe. The amount of heated air picked
> up from
> > after the intercooler will be very small indeed. I'm sure we're
> all
> > familiar with the mitsubishi lancer and eclipse... With the front
> mount
> > intercooler on those intake temps at the throttlebody drop
> dramatically; and
> > they're throttlebody is in the back of the engine bay - much more
> > post-intercooler piping. With your intake reversed, your post-
> intercooler
> > piping will be quite short, thus no need for wrap. seriously.
> >
> > -Jason
> >
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Http://spearcointercoolers.com should do the deed.

Heat wrap is a bad think. The idea is good, but thw WRAP is the bad part. Think about all that space (in molecular size) between the wrap and the pipe. Now think about water in the air. Think about it getting trapped in between the wrap and the IC Pipe. See where I am going here? Not only does it rust the pipe (at least the welds) but it eventually eats the wrap. if you're THAT concerned about heat transfer into the IC pipe post IC, then get the pipe powder coated with a heat treatment. It will keep the heat out. But, it is a double edged sword... IC pipes shed heat from the intake air as well.. you might be trapping hot air in the pipe (even post IC)..

Something to think about...

Later,

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: mike p. [mailto:ob1poor@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 5:22 PM
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: intercooling size?


anyone have a cross section picture of an air/air intercooler or know
where i might be able to find one?


--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "mike p." <ob1poor@y...> wrote:
> point taken. personally though i don't think(at least didn't plan
on
> it) i'll be turning my intake around.
>
>
> --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "jason grahn" <jgrahn555@h...> wrote:
> > >that's what i would think. my thinking is like this, the turbo
> > >probably puts out the most heat in general(right?) so that being
> true
> > >then the ducting from the turbo to the intercooler should be
> > >unwrapped to have a better chance of dissipating that heat to the
> > >engine compartment on the way to the IC, then the ducting to the
> > >intake you would wrap to keep the cool air from picking up any
> engine
> > >heat on the way.
> >
> > This i can agree with. But i want to bring up two side points:
> >
> > 1: the pain in the @$$ that heat wrap is - if you're going to try
> and trap
> > in that cold-air do it with a thermal coating at least.
> >
> > 2: the negligable difference in heat that amount of piping has.
> > Having checked out byrons kit up close and personal, and having
> planned out
> > my own; that's not a lot of pipe. The amount of heated air picked
> up from
> > after the intercooler will be very small indeed. I'm sure we're
> all
> > familiar with the mitsubishi lancer and eclipse... With the front
> mount
> > intercooler on those intake temps at the throttlebody drop
> dramatically; and
> > they're throttlebody is in the back of the engine bay - much more
> > post-intercooler piping. With your intake reversed, your post-
> intercooler
> > piping will be quite short, thus no need for wrap. seriously.
> >
> > -Jason
> >
> >
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