Praxis

Struts, spring, anti-rollbars, braces and the like.

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I intend for this thread to be a catch-all for all things related to my install. Theoretically this thread will help anybody that chooses to follow behind me. However, I fully realize that, due to the rarity of the system and fact it's discontinued, the chances of another install on a Legacy is almost nil. That said, Mods may move this to Build Journals or Pictures and Multimedia if they see fit.

What is Praxis?

Praxis is an experiment by Bridgestone/Firestone to enter the performance suspension market utilizing Firestones extensive experience with air springs. Even though the product is discontinued the website is still live. It can explain the basics better than I can: http://www.praxissystems.com/ In my research I discovered that most of the system is very similier to, and uses parts from, other Firestone "air-ride" systems.

The system can be considered a failure based on sales and an early retail retirement. In my opinion it failed because of price ($3500 new) and unreasonable expectations on the part of prospective customers.

Why am I installing it?

Because I believe it was a good effort to produce a versatile "all purpose" suspension that, IMHO, matches our Subaru's "go anywhere, do anything" pesonality. Particularly a turbo Subaru. :twisted:

What are the pros?

Automatic, in-car, ride height AND spring rate adjustment. 12 position adjustable, inverted H&R struts. Automatic load leveling and corner weighting. Reduces side load on the strut. Reduces unsprung weight. It's really cool. :wink:

What are the cons?

Stuts are adjusted traditionally, outside the car. Adds about 30 pounds to the car. "Perfect" alignment cannot be attained for all 3 height settings at the same time.

How did I get it?

A guy was selling it on Nasioc as "spare parts". Turned out only the wiring harness and hoses were cut upon uninstallation. $550 shipped from Canada. I figure $100 to ship it for an actual sales price of $450.

What does the system include?

Original instruction manual.
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Compressor and mounting bracket.
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Airtank with hose and tire chuck. Yeah... the ability to adjust the tires is gonna be nice.
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Front height sensors and bracket to adapt mount the compressor in a WRX fenderwell. This should work for the Legacy too with minor mods.
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Rear height sensors. They clamp right to the rear lateral links.
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G-sensor. This is used to make sure the system doesn't try to self-level under braking or cornering.
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Air dryer and disribution manifold. This is where the magic happens. They are mounted to a bracket that makes it a bolt-in affair for a WRX. Not sure yet how well it will fit the Legacy, I'm guessing it will be close, but not perfect.
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Not one, but two ECUs. Orginal owner was having trouble with the self leveling. It was diagnosed as a bad ECU so it was replaced under warrenty. According to the owner that didn't help and the real problem was later found to be a bent rear transverse link causing the height sensor to be out of range. Yes, I'm taking a chance, but I rolling with it.
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The strut units themselves. These are WRX fitment so all the "normal" stuff that needs to be done to fit WRX struts will need to be done. These came from a wagon, so the slotted holes are already done. Should just need to deal with the strut tops.
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Compressor relay, dash switch w/current height indicator and main fuse. I'm hoping I can mod a OEM air suspension switch to work, but if not, no biggie.
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Wiring harness, complete as far as I can tell. It's basically OEM quality and really impressive as far as aftermarket stuff goes. There are a few ends that were cut and need to be repaired. I'm not worried about this as it's something I am good at and I will need to lenthen it for the Legacy chassis anyways. There is also a disable switch and a calibrate button.
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A bunch of the original hose. I won't likely be using that much of this stuff. It's just 1/4 inch DOT rated polytube. I'll feel better with new stuff.
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I'm hoping to start the install over the weekend, but the entire thing will most likely take a few weeks.
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Post by DLC »

Neat. I wouldn't be opposed to an air system either.
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Post by sqc151 »

ive been doing research on this lately. id like to do this to my 91 SS. keep us informed.
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Post by 93forestpearl »

Cool. It will be nice to get some firsthand feedback on it. I remember reading about SCC's endevours with that exact setup way back on their first project wrx.
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Post by Legacy777 »

Looks like a cool project. I'll have to check out the pictures when I get home.

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Post by yazmo »

nice
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Post by PhyrraM »

I was able to verify that the harness is indeed complete and 100% usable. It needs to be spliced back together in 3 spots, less than I was expecting. Woot!

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Post by PhyrraM »

The harness is now repaired and shouldn't need to be touched until installation. I will still most likely need to lengthen it about 10" in the section that runs up the passenger side sill.

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Post by PhyrraM »

Ready for the height switch?

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OK, OK. I'll give you all a break for now.
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Post by ultrasonic »

Great! New, high tech adjustable air suspension at 268k miles.

I'd love to drive it when you're done.
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Post by evolutionmovement »

Yeah, I found this interesting when it came out, but it cost way too much. Christ, for the original price I could get a built transmission. Good deal! I can't wait to hear about it.
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Post by magicmike »

I thought I would chime in with some advice on the air lines since I've worked with this plastic air tubing and those push lock connectors quite a bit.

Just my thoughts here, take em or leave em ;)

I can’t stress enough (and neither can praxis in their manual) that you need to cut those ends as straight and as cleanly as possible or they will leak on you. Also, once you have them in the connector avoid rotating the hose around.

I would actually recommend changing all of those push locks to the type of connector that has a brass insert that goes in the end and then a nut tightens down on the hose and get crushed between the insert and the fitting. Also, this may be a no brainer but make sure you get the right hose, i.e. metric or standard for the fittings.

Well, just my thoughts after reading about this daunting task ahead for you. I wish you luck and I hope I have not insulted you with any of my comments. Just thought I'd chime in as I have worked ALOT with airlines in precision machine tools.

Good Luck!
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Post by PhyrraM »

So I pulled out the federwell to see how the compressor is going to fit up in there. I knew nothing was installed there, but I was quite suprised to see a ton of space like that. I'm sure if the car was any newer there would most likely be something crammed up there from the factory.

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Unfortunately, the compressor mounting bracket provided with the kit is designed for a WRX and doesn't match well with the Legacy.
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I am trying to locate a OEM compressor assembly from an air suspension car. I will either use the OEM compressor (and air tank) AS-IS, or I will modify the OEM bracket to mount the Praxis compressor. I will make my mind up once I lay hands on an OEM one. Final option is, of course, to modify the Praxis bracket to fit the Leggy fenderwell.

Whatever I decide to do, there will be plenty of space for it.
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Post by evolutionmovement »

Damn you Californians! I thought my car looked surprisingly rust free underneath it all—your's looks brand new! Whatever you end up doing should go easy.
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Post by ScottyS »

That is a waaay cool mod, I would have done it too for that $$. Can't wait to see the results.
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Post by PhyrraM »

GOAALLLLLLL! GOOAAALLLLL! GOOAAAALL!

Junkyard Score!

So after visiting a few full service junkyards that "said" they had a Legacy air compressor (and didn't), I decided to stop by a U-Pull type of yard that I was already at last week. It was "on the way home".

Second to last row...BAM! '91 LS (LSi?) wagon with the air suspension. So I got a fully assembled compressor, tank and dryer w/ all wiring and bracketry, a proper air suspension fusebox "module", a pair of "Electronic Height Control" strut top trim pieces, and another height switch.

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Post by 93forestpearl »

Very nice. You grabbed those strut top covers I hope.


I can't say that I've ever found an air suspension car in a jy up here in mn.
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Post by Aerotech »

Nice project... My LS wagon's air suspension is suprisingly firm around corners, with less body roll than the SS when it was stock.

I still want to hack it somehow to be able to lower it past the normal ride height!
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Post by PhyrraM »

Aerotech wrote:Nice project...
Thanks!
Aerotech wrote: I still want to hack it somehow to be able to lower it past the normal ride height!
Check out these PDFs. From what I can tell, the only way to reset the ride height is either A) to open up the strut and reposition switches or magnets, or B) adapt some sort of external height switches that emulate the OEM action.

http://endwrench.com/images/pdfs/AirSuspSumm01.pdf

http://endwrench.com/images/pdfs/AirSuspenFall01.pdf


I had a chance to intergrate the OEM suspansion fuse into my fuse block. Next I'll work on adapting the Praxis harness to use the fuse.

Removed the retainer and the two wires from the salvaged fuseblock.
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My fuseblock with vacant spot.
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Lift the fuseblock and remove the retainer.
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Insert the connectors and wires.
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Replace retainer
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Reinstall the fusepanel, install fuse and set the wires aside to intergrate with the Praxis harness.
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Post by Kelly »

Very nice, and damn good attention to detail.
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Post by Mattheww044 »

damn thats sweet! Definately going to be keeping an eye on this thread!
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