CLUNK CLUNK CLUNK......she's dead. I'm sad.

legacycontinues · Post by **legacycontinues** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 5:46 am

PLEASE SEE MY LATEST POST FOR PICTURES.

As I set forth on my journey today to go visit Subyluvr and grab some lunch, my car decided it didn't want to go all the way. Long story short, I was stuck in a very small, crappy town all day trying to get the kegacy up to full potential so I could drive her back home safely.

There were times during thr ride thst the car was running great and would fly, then a few small times I lost a ton of acceleration and just ran like crap.

Here are the problems:

Idled so bad I damn near got sick.

Strong burning smell

Extreme gas consumptiion

Little to no accleration (sputters real bad)

I had to drive all the way home in 3rd gear just to keep the revs up enough to keep it going around 40 mph

I start the car now and it dies out unless I hold the gas peddle down.

No smoke, and no fluids leaking anywhere.

It threw up no CEL but when I connected the two black terminals I got the following codes. (after connecting two green)

22

33

42

If anybody has anything they feel I should look for or test please let me know. As it is now the car is undrivable. This really sets us back because we only have one car.

I aslo want to apologize to Mike. Sorry Mike.

entirelyturbo · Post by **entirelyturbo** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 5:50 am

No problem Greg.

I wonder if code 42 has something to do with it, as that's the idle switch, which is the TPS sensor...

I'm not sure really, but I still think you should check your MAF sensor...

legacycontinues · Post by **legacycontinues** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 5:53 am

How would I go about checking it?

I would imagine that would throw a CEL.

I put my hand on the coil when I shut the car off and it wasn't hot.

The wires and plugs are farily new

Timing appears to be dead on.

Tommorow I am going to pull the plugs and see if they have a story to tell. Anyting I should look for??

entirelyturbo · Post by **entirelyturbo** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 6:01 am

About the only layman's way to check the MAF sensor would be to pull a JY one on and throw that on there. If it doesn't do it anymore, you found your problem. If it still does, that wasn't it. You're out about $10-$20

If you want, you can get technical and get your multimeter out and test the MAF that way, but I'm not 100% sure on how to do it...

legacycontinues · Post by **legacycontinues** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 6:05 am

I don't have a multitester either. There are no legacys in the junk yards around here for me to get the part from. I will look on ebay.

douglas vincent · Post by **douglas vincent** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 8:38 am

I had the same problem, but only occasionally but about all the same symtems except the burning smell.

Vacumn leak AND a plug wire that was nut pressed on all the way.

I would drive and it would run just fine and dandy. Then the entire engine would cut out for a half second, back to running then again and again and again, then back to running fine.

Check all your intake hoses and even the little vacumn lines. I had problems with both.

I also thought it was my MAF but thankfulley it was not.

To see if your spark plugs are actaully firing, stick a timing light on all of them and watch. Thats how I figured out mine was having problems. Two wires fired all the time, one on and off and the fourth was dead, yet when I pulled the plug out and ran the wagon with it out, the plug fired. Stuck it back in and it didnt fire. I have Magnecor wires and they require a longer tipped plug. I picked those up tonight and wow, new car. Amazing what running on 4 cylinders will do for you esteem.

Kelly · Post by **Kelly** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 9:19 am

let it burn.

legacy92ej22t · Post by **legacy92ej22t** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 2:17 pm

Try unhooking your O2 sensor. Just for giggles. I had a similar problem once and it was the O2 sensor wiring...

legacycontinues · Post by **legacycontinues** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 3:13 pm

I just replace the O2 sensor with a Bosh OEM direct fit unit. I do apreciate the input and I will be trying all suggestions.

legacycontinues · Post by **legacycontinues** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 5:07 pm

I started the car up today and got on the gas a bit. To my suprise I got a bit of blue smoke from the tailpipe. Anybody think it might be a headgasket???

THAWA · Post by **THAWA** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 5:09 pm

legacycontinues · Post by **legacycontinues** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 5:27 pm

I'm not talking about a little smoke....I'm talking "cover me I'm going in" kinda smoke.

Tell me oh wise ones....where do I go from here?

THAWA · Post by **THAWA** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 5:35 pm

If you've got oil smoke from the headgaskets they much be in horrible shape and as such your coolant would be full of oil. If you've got as much smoke as you say and it's from the headgaskets then your shit is really fucked. I don't know what the problem is, but I can tell you what it isn't.

entirelyturbo · Post by **entirelyturbo** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 7:20 pm

I agree with Hardy. If your headgaskets are so blown that it's burning enough oil for blue smoke to come out the tailpipe, your shit would not only be really fucked, your compression would be so bad your engine wouldn't even run...

professor · Post by **professor** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 8:07 pm

if you had a bad misfire I wouldn't worry about some smoke and such...its just burning what was laying in the cylinder(s) when that cylinder wasn't firing

when you run the car under those conditions you can get a lot of gas in the oil in relatively short order, so it is important to change the oil (twice, even) after you get it sorted out.

Look for spark first, or the lack thereof. Pull the plugs and see what type of fouling you've got, it won't help to try anything with the plugs crusted over. Clean 'em up and check one by one for spark.

and get a $20 multimeter, my crappy one has lasted me 10 years

legacycontinues · Post by **legacycontinues** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 8:07 pm

I'm tired of wrenching on it. I am going to put the dough toward a 93 sedan I found or a 94 wagon...

See the shed if you need anything.

vrg3 · Post by **vrg3** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 3:56 pm

Couldn't this just be a bad ignitor and/or ignition coil? You could try swapping them over from any other Legacy in about 4 minutes.

legacycontinues · Post by **legacycontinues** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 4:26 pm

Could be....I am kinda bored with her so I think I am going to move on to something else. PLease don't hate me for getting rid of her but do know she is being replaced with another Roo. I will never own anything but Roos for the rest of my life...or untill they stop making them.

vrg3 · Post by **vrg3** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 4:36 pm

I don't hate you for getting rid of the car -- in fact, if I were nearer to you I would probably try to buy it from you -- but I think you should try this most basic check first. Try asking Mike if you can try Patti's ignitor and coil for a few minutes. If one or the other turns out to be the problem, I have an ignitor and a Diamond coil pack sitting on my desk right in front of me that I'd send you cheap.

legacycontinues · Post by **legacycontinues** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 5:05 pm

I wish Mike lived closer so we could try the swap. He lives 2 hours away. How much are you thinking for the pack and the ignitor? I might just buy them for the hell of it.

vrg3 · Post by **vrg3** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 5:36 pm

Oh, for some reason I thought you guys lived close to each other. Well, any Legacy or Impreza up through 96 or so should do. And certain 2.5-liter models up through 1999 or so too.

The Diamond coil pack's in so-so condition (if I were using it I'd first clean it up with a wire wheel and then give it a quick spray with black Krylon)... if you want the coil pack and ignitor I can send 'em to you for... um, let's say $35 shipped?

legacycontinues · Post by **legacycontinues** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 3:27 pm

VRG3 I will take you up on your offer if you will take a money order from www.bidpay.com

If so please shoot me a PM so I can get some infor from you.

vrg3 · Post by **vrg3** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 5:21 pm

Sure, I can do that, but don't you need to have an eBay auction listing for BidPay to work? Anyway, I'll send you a PM.

legacycontinues · Post by **legacycontinues** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 8:17 pm

worst comes to worse we create a fake auction or I send you a postal money order.

vrg3 · Post by **vrg3** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 8:29 pm

A postal money order would be fine... I don't think there's a need to make a whole eBay auction listing.

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CLUNK CLUNK CLUNK......she's dead. I'm sad.

CLUNK CLUNK CLUNK......she's dead. I'm sad.