Why can't people spell?

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THAWA wrote:
-K- wrote:I can't believe how insensitive all of you are of the learn'd impared. Shame on you to judge them just because they sound stupid on the internet.
I gave up trying to be understanding about spelling. There's just too many people that don't understand a good chunk of the english language. Too many people just don't care about their education.
You both have valid viewpoints.

But going back to the original question that started this thread, I'll relate what I've personally found . . .

There are many reasons why people can't (or don't) spell properly. The reason(s) can be put into one or more broad categories but oftentimes it is a combination of reasons.

One reason is that an individual doesn't yet have the capacity. I have a cousin who is autistic and spelling is not one of his strong points.

A traumatic experience can be sufficient enough reason. Imagine a good student being raped by her English teacher and thereafter being a poor student AND a poor speller.

Some have gone through school succumbing to peer pressure (and who of us haven't in one way or another?) and not wanting to become like those uppity, nose-in-the-air intellectuals. This has affected them till the present.

Many have had no instruction, training, nor the encouragement at home to read or write. Is it any wonder that there is an increasing number of high school graduates who are illiterate?

Others are foreigners/immigrants or who grew up in bilingual families who can speak the languages well but not write English very well.

There are those who are so preoccupied with their intense pursuit of another endeavor (work, art, lifestyle, whatever) that correcting their erroneous spelling is the farthest thing from their mind (many businessmen order the SAME lunch every day because they don't want to take a few seconds to choose something different because they are always facing a time deadline).

I had other reasons why people don't spell correctly, some of which have already been posted, but these are some of the ones I recall in rubbing shoulders with people

(Editing and adding this part in that I had left out earlier: And, yes, there are those who are defiant in not wanting to spell correctly but that usually is an attitude that has been molded by experiences earlier in life. Then, there are those who could care less, and others who are actually oblivious to their incorrect spelling.)
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And to follow up on vrg3's comment: Songwriters and poets are not frowned upon when they break the rules of grammar.

But going back to spelling, British, South African, and Australian English spell words differently than American English. Those in Britain feel those in this country who even follow the supposed rules of grammar and spelling are butchering the purity of the English language.
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Good posts.

I love debates about English or any language for that matter. The source I quoted above was actually dictionary.com. Don't scoff, the sources used by the site are pretty good. Here is a list:
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.
WordNet ® 1.6, © 1997 Princeton University
The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing, © 1993-2001 Denis Howe
Jargon File 4.2.0
CIA World Factbook (1995)
Easton's 1897 Bible Dictionary
Hitchcock's Bible Names Dictionary
U.S. Gazetteer, U.S. Census Bureau
Language is fascinating and it's always evolving. If two people who have the same knowledge can't communicate they may as well both be deaf and blind. I don't always take care not to use prepositional phrases in the subject of a sentence because spoken language is full of them. I'd like to learn Chinese. I know a little Korean but very little and was only to be able to properly address my Tae-kwon-do instructors.

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Kwangjang-Nim kae Kyung-net!!


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Thanks for those references, creel. There is nothing to scoff at when it is learning that is worthwhile.

I love languages, too. I wish I could make the time to learn many of them. I have friends who can speak 3, 5, even 7 languages. I belong to a Society that regularly prints in 400 languages every month. But ask me to name even 50 of them off the top of my head and I'll be scratching my head for sure.

You mentioned you know a little Korean. I've helped a Korean friend of mine translate information from English into Korean. I don't know Korean. But what I did was read an English speech and recorded it for him to listen to. As he is listening to my recording in English, he puts the appropriate Korean translation down on paper.

Now, he can read English well. But apparently he cannot comprehend written English as he can spoken English. But at least he can speak English whereas I'm not yet able to speak Korean. But he's a tremendous software troubleshooter and engineer. . .
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Yes; there's a term for it: poetic license.

Did anybody get my humor? Or was it just too obvious to respond to?
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For vrg3:

But, I'll have to go back to see what you posted. And, will it be easy for me to see what you came up with?
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Oh :lol: , I missed it the first time but I see it now. You did a compound rule breakage there. Of course, I wasn't paying attention. And, I was doing ladder logic while I was reading the post. :wink:
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Hahahaha... Nice one, 93Leg-c.

Yeah, Scott, and that last sentence was an example of something that'd be really awkward if reconstructed.
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Sentence fragments? Only for hack writers. Spelling 'all right' in the non-traditional form 'alright'? Only for the illiterate. I like my writing as dry as Melville and Dickens.

Here's an unproofed exerpt from the third novel I wrote last night (the main character has started a fight with a group of militant Christian fanatics protesting outside the charity foundation he's set up and ended up under a pig pile):

Commotion. Breathe in. Muffled shouts. Breathe in. A knee presses hard to his ribs. Breathe in. Inflate. Light shines on his face, the weight lifts and breath fills his lungs. Distant voices ask if he’s alright. He taps his hand on the sidewalk like a wrestler looking for mercy and some strong arms help him to sit up on the curb. The black spots dancing in his eyes clear up and he sees a large cop with a goatee standing over him.

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I was wondering when you were going to chime in. :) That passage you wrote is nice. It sounds like spoken word. You could get away with reading that piece as an individual poem.
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Nice, Steve. That works so well -- the fragmented nature of the sentences makes the reader feel the fragmented nature of the thoughts going through the protagonist's mind.
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It's not talent - just how a guy with ADD puts junk into Word. Nah, I rule! :lol:

I just thought it was a great example of what we were discussing.

I guess one that bothers me is: too, to, two and when to use them. I never get to escape this looking at boat names all day and if I see one more permutation of "Reel something" I'm going to ... well, I'll just grumble about it out loud.

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Comunication. The End!
Get over it, if the spelling is so bad you can't understand it that's a problem. If you can understand what is being comunicated, live with it. I'm not going to say that learning the correct way isn't a good idea or worth learning.
Being able to comunicate ideas and feelings is such a gift, it's taken for granted. Enjoy it and spend less time worried about "The Rules"

My sensetivity post was a joke about society being too PC.
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Sure, being able to write at a minimum functionality is required to function but if someone can't spell very well it can make them seem less intelligent or at least uneducated. I can't imagine my boss sending a company email that has spelling errors, it sure wouldn't reflect very well on him. The same goes for pronunciation of words. It's doubtful anyone could get through an interview for a high level job if they don't have at least a good handle on language. Some jobs depend entirely upon excellent communication.
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