Real ID - real BS

Tleg93 · Post by **Tleg93** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 9:37 pm

Has anyone been keeping track of this. This angers me. I'd rather risk being in a terrorist attack than give up more money and the freedom to disappear or not be tracked at the whim of some power hungry politicos.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/08/12/ramas ... index.html

A passage that bugged me:

Many commentators predict that radio frequency identification (RFID) tags will be placed in our licenses. (Other alternatives include a magnetic strip or enhanced bar code). In the past, the Department of Homeland Security has indicated it likes the concept of RFID chips.

RFID tags emit radio frequency signals. Significantly, those signals would allow the government to track the movement of our cards and us.

Binford · Post by **Binford** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 11:37 pm

They probably already do that, we just don't know it!

magicmike · Post by **magicmike** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 11:43 pm

its technology like this that starts to make the unibomber's vendeta with the government a litle less crazy....

evolutionmovement · Post by **evolutionmovement** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 11:49 pm

Guess they've given up on OBDIII and on to this. And that would protect us from terrorists how? Why haven't they caught Bin Laden? Are terrorists really so inept that they couldn't get around such stupidity? More bullshit culling of freedoms under the excuse of protection. They don't even concentrate on any of the things they could that would really be in the interest of security. Maybe they wouldn't be high profile enough or easy to explain to appropriation committees, but I think the real reason is they can't use them as excuses to introduce new legislation to control people. Want safe? Live in a padded cell.

Every day I am pushed further and further towards the life of crime I know I'd be good at. I almost want them to take all freedoms away so I have no more excuse to tether myself to society and stop just writing about smuggling.

Yar! Modern day pirates unite!

Steve

jamal · Post by **jamal** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 11:57 pm

magicmike wrote:its technology like this that starts to make the unibomber's vendeta with the government a litle less crazy....

I lived about 45 minutes from him.

And I've heard of ideas for these things in license plates, as well.

article on that:
http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,68429,00.html

subaruadrian · Post by **subaruadrian** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 12:40 am

Eh.. it's no different than what they do with toll tags. ok, maybe a little, but not much. it's just a chip read by a big magnet that stores all the data you offer. i think they will most likely just tattoo a serial number to our foreheads.. maybe a bar code.

scottzg · Post by **scottzg** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 4:11 am

"Those who are willing to sacrifice essential freedom for security deserve neither."

Benjamin Franklin

LaureltheQueen · Post by **LaureltheQueen** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 4:14 am

f that. I'd drive without my license and keep my real one in a safe deposit box at the bank

-K- · Post by **-K-** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 5:04 am

It's just a matter of time till they want to implant......

I also don't see how this will stop any terrorists, just make it easy to say who did it. And that won't deter a sucide bomber.

Also, you don't have to get one of those toll tags. You will need an ID.

professor · Post by **professor** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 5:54 pm

the very reason that I do not have a toll tag on my car, in spite of the obvious advantages, and also the reason that my grocery store discount card is under a false name

I don't think this one will get too far, those tracking tags for school kids got shot down pretty fast

tris91ricer · Post by **tris91ricer** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 9:20 pm

I'll tell you who and what needs to get shot down pretty fast. . .

evolutionmovement · Post by **evolutionmovement** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 10:03 pm

Easy ... SS is everywhere.

And no, not SS as in Hitler's elite ... hm ... well, I don't know anymore.

Steve

206er · Post by **206er** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 11:51 pm

I love how this real ID nonsense gets tacked onto some unrelated bills regarding tsunami relief.

Addresses cannot be P.O. boxes. That will predictably cause problems for people who may fear for their personal safety -- including judges, police officers or domestic violence victims -- or people who may not have a permanent home, such as the homeless, who may be urgently in need of Medicare or other benefits. There needs to be a procedure to ensure these persons' safety and welfare. The Real ID Act has none.
this is downright crazy, compromising individual's safety.

Private businesses may be able to use remote scanners to read RFID tags too, and add to the digital dossiers they may already be compiling. If different merchants combine their data -- you can imagine the sorts of profiles that will develop. And unlike with a grocery store checkout, we may have no idea the scan is even occurring; no telltale beep will alert us.

walmart will be overjoyed to hear about this

evolutionmovement · Post by **evolutionmovement** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 4:59 am

Wal Mart is on my shortlist of evil corporations I wish I could bring down along with Mobil/Exxon and Microsoft.

Steve

tris91ricer · Post by **tris91ricer** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 6:54 pm

Walms is the first to implement RFIDs --They do it for "Loss Prevention" reasons. I assume that means not what we think it does, but it means them not losing a potential sale. Or employees to unions. Walmart says unions are bad and do nothing for the people.

Tleg93 · Post by **Tleg93** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 12:35 pm

I guess Walmart has taken to murdering American citizens in their parking lots now. I heard of this guy who forgot to pay for an item or stole it or whatever and they tackeled his ass and held him against the hot pavement until he died while onlookers numbering about 30 or so screamed for them to let him up. What is this country coming to?

"Your papers please"

-K- · Post by **-K-** » Sat Aug 20, 2005 9:10 pm

Unions are evil. It is the main reason jobs are shipped overseas, they drive the cost to manufacture in the USA up.

Wallmart is also evil...

Tleg93 · Post by **Tleg93** » Sat Aug 20, 2005 9:55 pm

You're right, unions may be evil but I sure wish I was in one where I work. Maybe then I wouldn't have to work a 12 hour shift, pay 36 bucks a week for dental and health care, be subject to random drug screenings and be on call at my boss's whim. Although he's been cool so far about the on-call thing.

It sucks, electrical contols techs at unionized paper mills in, say, washington make 35.00/hour to start. That's a little over twice what I make. It could be worse I guess. Generally, I agree though. I've been in unions that did little more than take my money. But then they're gone, you take a 50% pay cut and you can't afford to live. That's what happened to some places here. Overall, I'd trust a union more than a corporation but I don't trust either.

AWD_addict · Post by **AWD_addict** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 8:35 am

Sounds like we'll soon get a long wait at the Department of Licensing, then a rectal implant that will broadcast our purchasing habits.
I bet public toilets will have "personalized" ads.

0perose · Post by **0perose** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 5:35 pm

best solution thus far......

move out of the united states ASAP
(JDM parts anyone?)

-K- · Post by **-K-** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 12:31 am

To where?

There is no country with close to our standard of living where I could be as free.

0perose · Post by **0perose** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 12:39 am

I'm not sure that's true. *edit* but I don't feel like arguing right now

Manarius · Post by **Manarius** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 2:57 am

You could move away to Canada..they're not that bad..really.

LaureltheQueen · Post by **LaureltheQueen** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 5:41 am

australia?

evolutionmovement · Post by **evolutionmovement** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 4:19 pm

More standard vacation time there, too.

Steve

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