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2nd degree negligent driving=big ticket

Post by Suzie-Q »

well shit.yet another financial setback. i was coming up to a t-intersection turning left. i was in the outside lane, which had to merge with the inside after about 200 feet from the turn. so i floored it throught the light (~45 mph) and turned, skidding and squealing my tires for about 50 feet, almost pulling a 180, hitting the light pole, and getting into a huge wreck. but i corrected my car and ended up just having a kick-ass ride. my friends in the front and back seats go, "yeah! you're the first girl i've met that isn't scared to pull that shit! that fucking rocked!"

about 2 minutes down the highway, i look in my mirror and see flashing lights approaching really goddamn fast. so i pulled over into a dead end off the highway, thinking it was actually a road and that i could get away. nope. so i'm parked with my lights off by the time the cop catches me. stupid, i know. :roll: so i get out of my car and act like i'm making an emergency phone call, but he screamed at me to get back into my car. he probably drew his gun, but all i saw was his damn bright spotlight.

he comes up to my car hysterically screaming, "what the hell was that? what did you think you were trying to pull?!" i bullshitted and gave him my license, insurance, and registration. i don't know how, but that was probably the calmest have ever been in my life. he went back to his car for at least 10 minutes.

meanwhile, me and my friends are working out who will bail me out of jail and who's calling my parents. they are also embarassed that they will have to get taken back to the dorms in a cop car. i'm calculating my ticket, the cost of towing my car to impound and paying to get it out, my insurance going up, and my bail and overnight jail stay i know is coming. the cop finally comes back to my car, gives me my stuff, and has me sign my ticket. he tells me he batter not see me again, and i thanked him and apologized.

i was actually waiting for him to get his cuffs out and escort me to his car. i was pleasantly surprised when he didn't! after he left, i looked at the ticket and it charges me with 2nd degree neg drive, and it's for $538. holy shit! i deserved a first degree, but he probably didn't want to deal with my car full of people. i am basically a very lucky girl.

the moral of the story is: girls just wanna have fun, at whatever cost! :D anyone else had anything similar happen?
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You sound wild....cool.
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would i be here if i wasn't? :wink:
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I had a huge rebuttal written but it'd sound stupid coming from a high school student.

I've never had that happen (and I do a lot of stupid stuff because I'm still allowed to) because nearly getting in a "huge wreck" to make a light isn't worth it in my book. All the stupid things I do don't involve $538 dollar tickets, or tickets for that matter. Find a field or empty lot and go to town on it, but I try to refrain from doing increadibly stupid stuff where people who aren't involved can get hurt.

Works bombs and potato guns, try those for starters.
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don't get me wrong, i definitely didn't mean for it to happen like it did. if i screw around in my car on purpose, it's on dirt roads in non-residential areas, and even then it's controlled. i just hit the gas a little too hard, over steered, and locked the brakes. i've gone through the intersection dozens of times but obviously slower under better control. but maybe this just shows that i'm a rallyer at heart :)
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ah i get it, my bad
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no problem! :wink:
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Let me get this straight.

It was a left turn, in a left turn only lane, and the light was turning yellow.

So you floor it. Your going 45mph, with stock suspension, likely shitty tires, a load of 3 people, and you have NO idea what your doing.

You narrowly avoid a HUGE accident, lock the brakes, and you don't look NEARLY as cool as you think you do (trust me).

And then you try to run from the cops. Try to pretend you are making a phone call to try and get out of a ticket. And are already expecting to go to jail.

What part of that, makes you a "rallyer at heart?" You have NO car control, you got lucky. You endangered the lives of your "friends" and you KNOW you should have gone to jail. Then you brag about your "skillz." And complain about getting a ticket.

Here's a tip. Learn your car. Find a track, or auto-x. Learn what your doing. Learn how the car handles. Learn what makes things happen in the car. Get your shit together, or you'll land yourself in jail.
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Ouch!

That was scathing but perhaps good advice. Listen to Phil, he doesn't take chances. :wink:
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Post by BAC5.2 »

Well, what else do you expect from me? I can't say I condone reckless endangerment, and I think it's ignorant to attempt to run from the cops.

I take plenty of chances, but I calculate the risk of them. I'd never be out of control of my car in public, on purpose. ESPICALLY with friends in the car, or when I'd be endangering the lives of other people.
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BAC5.2 wrote:Well, what else do you expect from me? I can't say I condone reckless endangerment, and I think it's ignorant to attempt to run from the cops.

I take plenty of chances, but I calculate the risk of them. I'd never be out of control of my car in public, on purpose. ESPICALLY with friends in the car, or when I'd be endangering the lives of other people.
I bet it still looked cool.

Then again, I don't think it was worth all those expenses to have a joy ride.
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Post by BAC5.2 »

Ever seen someone fuck up in Auto-X? Go to hot into a turn, lock the brakes up, and slide sideways until they let off the brake for the car to jerk straight again and start rolling?

That's exactly what it sounds like happened.

I doubt it was a smooth, controlled arc, in a glorious, smoke tailed, ass out drift. Things often look very different from outside the car, than they feel from the inside.
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Now Phil, haven't I seen you driving spiritedly?
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Post by BAC5.2 »

I think you have. I KNOW Matt and Vikash have seen me sliding. And I KNOW I've been driving in a rally-inspired fashion, on that gravel road up by you and Matt. I've hit triple digits in the gravel, and I've slid sideways at 60+mph in the gravel, and that fast if not faster on the pavement.

But the difference here? I'm in control. I know when I'm about to get in over my head. I know when to slow down, and I know when I can speed up. I understand braking zones, and what will happen when I input throttle or braking. Spirited driving is one thing. Recklessly driving is quite another. The difference is control.
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Screw control and braking Phil, you're also in a relatively unpopulated area, not an intersection. Your biggest risk was probably to you, your car, then Matt or Vikash or both, and then maybe to the 1 in 1000 chance that someone else is on that road, then to some poor sod of a squirrel.

Susie-Q, was this a big mistake or something you tried to do? I'm confused now.
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Post by BAC5.2 »

Sounds like she tried to do it. Unless your incredibly cute, I'm shocked the cop didn't throw the book at you.
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when I was 16 I had a car full of basketball teammates in my car, and we pulled up to a red light. Basically the other half of the team was in another car right beside me. No one else on the road. Naturally we give the signal and start revving and waiting for the light to go green.


unknown to me, a cop has pulled up silently behind me, I'm concentrating on the light only. the guys in the car beside see him, and out of the corner of my eye I see that they are waving. The light turns and I dump it, shooting gravel and such into the cop's grille. limited slip so he got two wheel's worth

needless to say he was not amused. he hit the rollers as soon as I pulled out, sparing me speeding charges. I could easily have gotten reckless which would have been a license surrender. He tore me a new one but ended up writing me only for "illegal spinning of wheels" $70

I now look before launching
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But professor, that's not quite the same thing, is it?
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Post by Suzie-Q »

you know what bac5.2? you must have skipped reading part of my defense for what happened. but i like how you try to make yourself look perfect and me a crazy bitch who's out to hurt people. and for you to try and say i din't know what i was doing is just you talking out of your ass. unless you know how i drive and what i have done with my car before, don't say shit about me. i didn't go into the intersection trying to lose control and look cool. believe me, i was scared shitless. i'm not excusing what i did. i've done this before under other circustances when everything was great. what happened was unintentional and i'm paying greatly for it and i deserve all that happened. don't try to make yourself shine to put me down.
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Hey now, play nice. We're not here to put each other down. Now, to make fun of each other, that's a different story.
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Suzie-Q wrote:i just hit the gas a little too hard, over steered, and locked the brakes.
but maybe this just shows that i'm a rallyer at heart :)
It sure doesn't sound like you knew what you were doing, and it doesn't sound like your THAT sorry for what happened (espically telling us that your friends all thought it was badass, and how they didn't know girls who drove like that). I get the distinct impression that, while you may have been scared, you thought you were hot stuff after it was over and you didn't kill anyone or get in an accident. And trying to outrun the cops, you knew you did something wrong.

I still can't figure out what you THOUGHT would happen, if you floor it (while your already going to fast, as you said yourself that you've been in that intersection before going "much" slower), and go through the intersection. You say you didn't go into the intersection trying to lose control and look cool. So what DID you go into the intersection for? If it was yellow and about to turn red, why didn't you just stop? There must be a reason, and while it might not have been to intentionally look cool, or whatever, it must have been something. Did you over-estimate your own skill? Did you not know how fast you were going? Did you think you would make it without incident? What about this situation makes you a "rallyer at heart?"

Don't be ashamed, we all over-estimate our skills at one point or another. I've done it. I was coming around a banked left, WAY to hot. I shot for the apex, and knew I'd miss it. I took the early line to give myself some runout for what I knew would happen. Back end came out, and I was sliding. I did what I could, and managed to keep it on the road (barely). I had crossed the center line, and unfortunately had someone been coming, we'd both be dead. It was night time, and there weren't any headlights visible. As I came around the apex, still sideways, I saw headlights at a stop sign. They didn't start moving until I had regained composure. It was scary, sideways at probably around 70mph, and while I wasn't totally out of control, I wasn't where I wanted to be. I knew HOW to recover the car, and I did, but I should have been going slower.

Everyone does this. Everyone goes to hot and gets squirrely. It's where it happens, that is the difference. For me, it was relatively safe. If I crashed, I would have gone over a bank, or hit a guard rail. No cars were around, and I was alone in the car. It's also how you learn from it. I know what my car can and cannot do, and I'm aware of that every time I drive spiritedly. I know what it feels like when it's about to let go, or what will happen if I apply the brakes or the gas while I'm turning (or whatever). If I didn't fuck up that night, I bet it would have taken me longer to find out those limits.

I'm not trying to come off as a saint, or damn you as a sinner. I've done stupid things on the street too, but I generally don't intentionally endanger other peoples lives. You may not have set out to hurt anyone, but that was the result, and that's something else you need to realize. Had you crashed, you would have hurt someone and someones family. There's a reason I rarely drive aggressively, with a passenger. If you HAD hit the pole, how would you explain to your friends parents, that their child is dead or injured? How would you feel as a parent to hear that from a kid, that they killed your daughter or son?

And do you REALLY think that I'm trying to put you down to raise myself up? I assure you, that isn't my intention, and I've got no reason to raise myself up.

I don't care if you drive recklessly (as long as you don't hit any other LCO members while your driving, espically the ones I like). I really REALLY don't care. I DO care, if you take this experience, and think you can repeat it successfully under the same circumstances. You probably can't.

You don't know the number of accidents I've seen, or the number of WRX owners I've talked to who have had similar experiences as yourself, and who think that, because they survived with their cars in tact, they are Petter Solberg. Then they try to do it again, or think they are better than they are, and they get in trouble.

Be safe out there. We haven't had an obituary posted on LCO in the few years I've been around. Don't start the trend.
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Post by Suzie-Q »

ok. bottom line, i screwed up and i realize that. and no matter what you mean to say, you're coming off like a total jerk. i'm not justifying anything and i know very well what the end result could have been. don't use your own experiences to judge me. most of what you're saying is out of your place and i don't appreciate it.
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just the one's you like? what the hell is that suppost to mean? j/k
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Post by subawhatsubawho »

Good thing Tristan hasn't seen this thread yet...

I can just picture him drooling on his keyboard.

Look what you are doing! He is going to be useless for days!!

(kinda turns me on to be honost)
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Post by BAC5.2 »

However you feel like taking my posts, so be it, and I refuse to get into a pissing contest or start calling names as you've chosen to do.

You think what I've said was "out of my place" and I apologize. I don't see anything that was out of my place to say. I didn't make any sort of reference to your deficit as a driver as any fault in character. Nothing I said was offensive, or derogatory. It was all speculation, and whether it's true or not is hardly the case. What IS the case, is that what you did was unsafe, and COULD be due to lack of driver skill (over-estimating the cars ability, entering to fast and not knowing the car will not be able to take it, or entering to fast, and you not knowing YOU can't take it. There's a million different scenarios.)

I was simply curious as to why you did what you did. What made you floor it and try to make it? That's my question. Had the light been green, would you still have done the same thing? I'm simply curious.

There is no shame in admitting a fault of driver skill. Everyone starts somewhere, and no one is born perfect. We've all got to work for it. If you can't, or don't want to, admit this. I'm sorry.

With that, I'm done with this thread. Think I'm an asshole, or a jerk, or a dickhead all you want. But ask anyone, ANYONE, what the number one thing you should do to prevent this kind of thing from happening again, and I KNOW more of us than not, will suggest driver training of some form (auto-X schools, and what have you).

The best offense, is a good defense. Fucking around in a field isn't going to save your life when your car gets out of control on the street. You were lucky once, please don't let it run out.

That's all I'm saying. Sorry to offend.
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