Any successfully install a PDM clutch sleeve on a turbo tran

[Legacy777]

Forgive the cut and paste. I'm a tad irritated...not violent, but irritated.....

I just got the car to a point where I was starting to button things up. I decided to make sure the clutch and everything was working properly.

I am using a PDM TSK2 clutch sleeve/throw out bearing. When I put things together I just didn't have a good feeling about things.

Anyway...fastforward to tonight. When I engage the clutch it does not disengage all the way. The throw out bearing can not move all the way back on the sleeve because the rear half of the sleeve has a collar. I figured it wouldn't make that big of a difference. However on my transmission it does.

So my question is, has anyone successfully installed one of these sleeves on a turbo transmission??? I would "assume" PDM would have tested this kit before he sold it, however.....we all know what happens when we "assume".....plus, given PDM's track record, it would not surprise me one bit this little thing slipped by.

So, unless someone can give me the magic fix, or tell me I'm wrong, I've gotta pull the engine and take that POS throw out bearing out. I will be calling PDM tomorrow.

So any immediate replies would be appreciated.

Tranquil sleeve pics can be found in here
http://www.main.experiencetherave.com:8 ... s/ej22t/08

Pictures of the sleeve and throw-out bearing can be found here
http://www.main.experiencetherave.com:8 ... s/ej22t/29

Thanks in advance

[douglas vincent]

ouch. But man do I know that frustrating feeling!

[Legacy777]

Actually I'm more curious to what Joel's response will be.

I'm not going to bash him or his company, but if a satisfactory resolution, ie fix, or full refund is not had, I feel obligated to tell others about my dealings with him.....and there's a lot of subaru communities out there. Not to mention, he sells these things directly to Subaru. He has much more to lose then I do....

I also know his past....from his son running JC Sports, gyping a lot of people out of money, to them doing the same thing with PDM, and now he's running with these Tranquil sleeves. Which I will say....for the n/a tranny's....they seem like a great product. I really wish it'd work with the turbo models....but unless the snout length is different on the early turbo transmissions, this current configuration will not work.

[THAWA]

Isn't the whole point of these to save you from needing to buy a whole new case when the snout is worn beyond spec? Is your snout beyond spec?

[Legacy777]

Yes, it is supposed to save you from needing to buy a new case. I think they are beneficial regardless if your case snout is completely fubard. The SS sleave is a better wear surface for the throw out bearing to ride on.

My snout does have some minor/light wear in it.

[legacy92ej22t]

I don't know anything about that setup so the only thing I can contribute is that my Spec stage 1 didn't have a seperate sleeve like that at all. Was that the clutch they listed for the SS?

[Legacy777]

Have an update. I talked with Joel @ PDM today. He has been very receptive to try and figure out what the problem is, and resolve it. For that I am extremely happy & grateful.

He asked/suggested that the clutch pedal linkage might not be adjusted correctly. Being that I adjusted & swapped in the pedal assembly when I did my 5MT swap, it's definitely a possibility.

I tried adjusting the push rod this evening. It moved the pedal engagement point to about half way....so that's not the answer.

I talked with him tonight. I'm going to get some measurements tomorrow so we can rule out the flywheel. I'm a little baffled as to what the problem is because he has successfully installed the turbo sleeve on 2 turbo legacies and a WRX.

The only thing different between my previous setup is the throw out bearing, sleeve & engine. Taking the measurements tomorrow should rule out the engine/flywheel.

I will keep everyone posted when I find something new out. But yes there has been successful installs of the turbo sleeve.

[THAWA]

Hmm, just to be certain, you did install it properly and everything? is it fully seated? Did you make sure to engage the clutch fork by hand?

[Legacy777]

Yup, yup, and yup.

To the best of my knowledge, everything is installed correctly.

The only thing that sounded abnormal to Joel was the fact that the clutch fork has about 1/4 of movement back and forth with no pressure on the fork from the slave cylinder.

Does that sound normal to you guys?

[BAC5.2]

Using the hydro clutch, right? Is there air in the assembly?

I thought they sold these sleeves for all EJ engines ECEPT TURBO models?

Maybe you need someone to machine down the collar?

[Legacy777]

Update, I've taken some measurements, and Joel has looked at my install pictures. Everything looks good. I have one more test to do, that is to turn the engine over with the clutch pedal depressed as far as it'll go. This will verify whether the clutch is disengaging or not.

The path is leading towards the actuation of the clutch. I've done some research and found that the part #'s for the 91 turbo legacy clutch mc & slave cylinder as well as clutch fork are different then the 92-94 model years. Also the 91 components do not supercede to the 92-94 MY's. This is leading me to believe that 91 had a different clutch MC & slave cylinder piston diameter then the 92-94 MY's. That and/or a combination of the clutch fork might be causing the clutch fork to move further then it's supposed to.......and since I bought the clutch fork, clutch MC & slave cylinder used, I really don't have a way to verify what MY turbo legacy they came from.

So that's the path I'm heading down. Best case scenario. I just have to swap the clutch MC & slave cylinder. Worst case, I have to pull the engine to swap the clutch fork. Either way, I don't think the problem is in the PDM Tranquil sleave & bearing.

Joel is going to send me the updated sleave design, and another turbo legacy master & slave cylinder to try.

[Legacy777]

Phil,

Nope, no air in the system. I've been driving the car for a year since I did the MT swap, and didn't touch the clutch MC or slave cylinder.

They just recently introduced a sleave/throw out bearing for the turbo models. It really hasn't been installed on a wide base of vehicles yet. Two turbo legacies and one or two WRX's. But the installs that have been done, went off without a problem.

[Legacy777]

Please read this thread
http://bbs.legacycentral.org/viewtopic.php?t=23698

If you have any comments, I'd greatly appreciate it.

[vrg3]

The 91s do have a different setup from the 92-94s, but I believe the difference is just plumbing. The 91s have hard lines and such, while the post-facelifts use hoses for everything. I don't believe the bores were any different.

The hydraulics you have were off a 94.

[Legacy777]

Ok....more info.

I looked into the actual part #'s for the pedal assembly lever, etc. It's all the same between the 91 & 92-94 MY's. So the pedal box shouldn't be any different.

I also looked at the clutch MC. The part # for the master cylinder is the same between the 91 & 92-94 MY's. So again, the MC shouldn't be the issue.

The clutch slave cylinder does have a different part #, but the repair kit with all new guts is the same for the 91 & 92-94 MY's. So the internals are the same. Unless the cylinder case mount point itself is different between the 91 & 92-94's.......I don't see that the slave cylinder would matter.

That leaves only the clutch fork. The parts manual lists that one clutch fork is used for the 91 MY's made before June of 1990. 91 MY's made June 1990 and afterwards uses the later design. They also give this info in the remarks section:

M/#311301-

I'm not sure what that info is. If it's the trany number or what.