Want to buy engine(s)

Fade2Black · Post by **Fade2Black** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 6:39 am

Looking for the following engines:

EJ25
EJ25D
EJ20

Only need one, prefer to get a 2.5, but will take a 2.0 if, and only if, it in fact drops right into my car (2000 Legacy GT Sedan). If you don't have one for sale, I could also really use websites where I could buy JDM or similar engines, since I only know of 1 or 2 and I really need my baby up and running. Thanks.

-Fade2Black

Hondassuck131@hotmail.com

subawhatsubawho · Post by **subawhatsubawho** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 7:01 am

I'll sell you a JDM EJ20 DOHC cheap. I might be able to get you an EJ25 pretty cheap too. Don't tell anyone because I don't want everyone knocking on my door.

You would have to pay shipping.

snowjob · Post by **snowjob** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 3:06 pm

Hey subawhatsubawho I think you were typing with your internal voice again...

206er · Post by **206er** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 5:39 pm

too bad you arent looking for a really cheap and running ej22, Ive got one at my parents house in seattle.

subawhatsubawho · Post by **subawhatsubawho** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 6:33 pm

I can get JDM EJ22's real cheap too. Super low miles on them. Less than 50K.

Mental note: No more outloud mental notes.

Fade2Black · Post by **Fade2Black** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 8:47 am

Suba: how cheap is cheap, on the EJ25 SOHC?

206er, same question to you on your EJ22?

If you want to keep it quiet (if you were serious), my e-mail is Hondassuck131@hotmail.com

206er · Post by **206er** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 10:16 am

actually it is a shortblock with 148k, pulled in favor of phase 1 2.5 block, ran very strong, crosshatching still there, make offer. if you are serious call me at (206)920-5778 pretty much any time.
cheers
Jeremy

subawhatsubawho · Post by **subawhatsubawho** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 4:19 pm

To my knowledge my supplier doesn't have any EJ25's. Just Single cam EJ22's and twin cam EJ20's.

I sold a twin cam EJ20 to a guy in texas put it into his legacy sedan and he said he loved it more then the EJ22. Did I mention these are semi-closed, or closed deck EJ20's. They came from twin turbo Japanese subarus.

All my engines are longblock. Only thing you have to bring over is the wiring harness and because they are cut. They cut the A/C hoses and fuel lines too. (replace them anyway when doing a swap)

Let me know if interested.

Fade2Black · Post by **Fade2Black** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 8:25 pm

I would be interested in the twin cam EJ20, but I need to know how easy it is to install into my 2000 Legacy. I've talked to 3 Subaru Advisor Mechanics and all 3 said something different, from the intake manifold's being different (they're wider than mine), to don't buy the DOHC because they suck, to yet another guy stating DOHC's are awesome, but my car will only take 2.5 and only 2.5 engines (but he said the DOHC's won't fit, which in my limited knowledge i'm starting to think is just a crap statement). How hard is it to convert the intake manifolds and do the belt housings fit? My mechanic friend is iffy about changing engines completely because he want's to avoid any undo stress regarding modifications to the engine that might need to be made. If I can get a definitive answer regarding this, either by a mech or a website where I can contact someone, I would consider it.

Quite frankly, I need to be absolutely positive that if I whip out $400-$2000 for any engine, that I can put it in with minimal labor cost and extra mods. If these questions can be answered, then we'll seriously talk price. Thanks!

-Fade2Black

subawhatsubawho · Post by **subawhatsubawho** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:25 pm

Is your EJ25 single or dual port exhaust?

The EJ20 is slightly differenty then the EJ22 as the spark plugs are on the side of the block and not on the top. Kinda a PITA to change.

Let me see what he has in the warehouse and maybe he can get an EJ25 from Japan.

subawhatsubawho · Post by **subawhatsubawho** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:31 pm

I just got off the phone with the engine guy. He has an EJ25 that needs a new timing belt for $400.00

It is a JDM and has less than 50K on it.

Or is you want an EJ20 or EJ33 (yes he does have them) you would have to wait till january because the container isn't back from Japan yet.

snowjob · Post by **snowjob** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:57 pm

This ej25 you speak of, is it a dual overhead cam? what is it's HP rating, what year etc etc??

Matt Monson · Post by **Matt Monson** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 10:10 pm

I wouldn'y buy any Ej25 with a popped timing belt unless you are planning on rebuilding it. They are an interference motor, and they bend vavles when they pop. That is not a motor ready to drop in and go.

Beyond that, there is a ton of misinformation in this thread. subawharsubawho obviously knows very little about these engines. I could list all the technical mistakes, but it would take half a page...

555BCTurbo · Post by **555BCTurbo** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 10:29 pm

Hey Matt,

How come just about every post of yours that I see is negative? You seem to be correcting people all the time, even on things that don't need correcting, and then saying that certain board members don't know what they are talking about. To tell you the truth, you come off as an arrogant know-it-all...

Just my .02

206er · Post by **206er** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 10:39 pm

umm,, he is correcting actual misinformation, such as single port ej25 which dont exist. and if he comes off as a know it all its because he does know it all.

Fade2Black · Post by **Fade2Black** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 10:40 pm

Suba, I just PM'd you. You now know how to contact me. By the time you do, i'll know whether or not my engine is single or dual port, but since the engine code matches, I doubt it'll matter.

As for anyone else complaining about the timing belt;

Whatever broke, if in fact anything did, regarding the timing belt, my mechanic friend can sure as sh*t fix it easier than my current problem (blown rod bearing and blown main bearing). That is a non-issue. Keep your uber-knowledge of everyone else out of here unless you have something useful to add. Thanks.

-Fade2Black

Matt Monson · Post by **Matt Monson** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:53 pm

555BCTurbo wrote:Hey Matt,

How come just about every post of yours that I see is negative? You seem to be correcting people all the time, even on things that don't need correcting, and then saying that certain board members don't know what they are talking about. To tell you the truth, you come off as an arrogant know-it-all...

Just my .02

I guess you don't get around much if you think all I post is negative. And I wouldn't be correcting people if they weren't spreading mis-information. Show me one example of when I corrected something that didn't need correcting?

And I don't have anything against any certain board members. But there are a lot of people on this board and other boards who regurgitate incorrect things that they read somewhere else. If I let that misinformation stand, then people may make modifications to their car, or make purchases based on that. I don't do it for some great personal ego stroke, but to help people make correctly informed decisions. Yes, I am a tech nazi!

Let's take the example of this thread. Fade2black puts up a post saying that he needs an engine. He lists several options, but doesn't know very much about what will work on his car. Immediately, subawhatsubawho is spouting in about how he can get him an Ej20G. Black, explicitly said he needs a direct replacement . If subawhats really gave a damn about helping this guy out, he would have told him that the only engine he should be looking for is an Ej251. Instead, he's trying to put a 15 year old engine swap into this guy's 5 year old car. Then he starts talking about Ej22's, and the non-existent Ej33, single port Ej25's (which also don't exist) etc. etc. This is a guy trying to make a buck, who doesn't really know these engines, and doesn't really seem to want to help the guy out. Anyone who tries to sell an interference engine with a popped timing belt is either ignorant, shady or both. Really, if it was about helping out a board member, he would provide the name of his supplier and let the guy deal directly with them. This whole, "sshhh, don't tell anyone" BS is just that, BS

I commend Fade2black for having the good sense to consult with some techs before spending his hard earned dollars. Basically, what they told you was correct. What you need is a '99-02 Ej251 longblock. Other engines like an Ej20 or Ej22 will fit, but they are not direct replacements. They all have MAF's and you have a MAP sensor instead. If you want to do an Ej20 swap, you need a complete engine, ECU, wiring harness and a lot of other things. The only drop in fix to your problem is the same engine that is in there now. A SOHC EJ25. Period.

Here a couple of links for you to known good vendors:

http://www.ccrengines.com They do nothing but rebuilt Subaru engines. Excellent warranty. I've done a lot of business with them.

http://www.nippon-motors.com They are an importer with an impeccable reputation, and good warranty to back up their products. I have purchased half a dozen engines from them in the last 10 years with never a problem

http://www.4subarusuzukikiaparts.com They are a nationally known wrecking yard that sells good low mileage take outs. Again, includes an excellent warranty.

http://www.superrupair.com Both a dismantler and a shop. Again nothing but Subarus. This is the only shop that has ever put a wrench to my 2.5RS that wasn't my own. I bought my last Ej25 longblock from them.

Lastly, the people who find me arrogant are generally people carrying around their own insecurities and low self image. Anyone who knows me on these boards knows that I am one of the most helpful guys around for helping out newbs and trouble shooting. I get half a dozen or more PM's a day, usually from guys I don't know, asking me for technical guidance, clarification or assistance in a thread. Most people I know with my level of experience, like Xephyr, ignore most of those pms. I answer every one. I tell people that just because you are new to this stuff doesn't make them less than, and that I didn't learn it all over night. And the local CO guys will tell you how often I open up my garage to them to help them out with a problem or teaching them to work on their own cars. The only guys I ever come down on are the ones who act like they know it all, and are just spouting crap mis-information out their arses...

:end rant:

Fade2Black · Post by **Fade2Black** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 5:27 pm

The problem with a few of the websites you posted, Matt, is that they're either way too expensive, or they don't have my engine. CCR Engines wants 8k for the engine + install? I don't want to wait a year before getting my engine up and running

. I'm probably going to be stuck saving up about 600-1000 and praying that one hits on ebay. I've been talking to JDMexchange.com and they seem reasonable (900-1100) but the guys at I-club and NASIOC say stay away. Any thoughts? Thanks.

Fade2Black

Matt Monson · Post by **Matt Monson** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 5:44 pm

I am thinking you mistakenly led them to believe you were looking for an Ej257 STi turbo longblock. An Ej251 should be more like $1500-2000 rebuilt.

I concur, stay away from JDM exchange. Shoot a PM to naphappy. He's on your end of the country and knows of an importer or two in the NW that you could contact...

subawhatsubawho · Post by **subawhatsubawho** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 7:41 pm

See Matt...you are wrong. I'm not going to make a single penny regardless to what engine he buys and where he buys it from . I even turned him on to a cheap EJ25 on ebay.

I Didn't know they don't make a single port EJ25 so I was asking him so I could find out from my engine guy what he had.

Fade really only needs a new short block. Even if he did buy the EJ25 DOHC from my guy...aren't the blocks the same?? If not bring it to my attention. but there is no reason to bad mouth me because you know more. Besides, I have seen plenty of posts were people wanted to drop their EJ25 in favor of a more reliable EJ22, granted it has less power..but you can't always get what you want.

Matt you off all people should know that Subarus are like Legos. 99% of it will fit together and work to some degree. I'm just trying to save hime some dough because some of us know what it's like to be broke as fuck. Feel me?

Matt Monson · Post by **Matt Monson** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 8:00 pm

Dude,
I do apologize if I mis-read you. I am definitely not too proud of full of myself to apologize if I make a mistake. Your responses in this thread just really read like a wheeling dealing used car salesman.

But he should stay away from '96-98 Ej25's. They are phase I and will lower his compression. And an Ej22 won't run right on his car. Because of the MAP sensor, the car isn't as smart as the MAF cars. It will totally overfuel with the smaller displacement...

But he should be able to find a good used phase II Ej25 bottom end for $400-600. Talk to Dave in used parts at Super Rupair. He should have one in stock...

subawhatsubawho · Post by **subawhatsubawho** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:05 pm

Thanks Matt. You should be able to get him one. I had Subarus handed to me left and right when I lived in CO. Damn I wish I still lived out west. You don't bring your dog to the mall do you???

I'm just trying to help out a fellow Roo lover.

No matter where he gets his engine from...I hope he gets a good deal and it works out for him.

I'll still keep my eye out.

Fade2Black · Post by **Fade2Black** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:15 pm

Ok, so now that we're all buddies again, I hate to be repetetive If I am, but I really do want to make this right...

I have conflicting stories from 3 (!) different subaru mechanics. One says the DOHC engine (late 90's to 00) will fit directly into my car, but they're crap because the pistons go...

Yet another says the DOHC engines work GREAT, but only the SOHC engine which I had in my car will fit (ugh). So confused...

I'm going to square with you guys. I just need to get about 50k-75k worth of miles out of whatever engine I put in, so that I can get the hell out of this state, go to school, and come back with enough money to where I can do a true engine swap. I lost my job 2 days after my engine blew so yes, as many of you can attest to, I want the cheapest, most EFFICIENT way to get my baby back and running. When I see a PoS honda on the road, I can't help but want my black suby, black rims, and deep throaty exhaust back on the road.

So long story short: Can I fit a DOHC EJ25 (from the late 90's to 00) into my car, or can I interchange the blocks/heads/cams with no problem? If that's the case I'll take any Piece of Shit engine and just use what I can, since chances are none are as screwed as my engine is. Thanks guys.

-F2B

subawhatsubawho · Post by **subawhatsubawho** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:24 pm

Call the guys at Roo's only (303) 934-3400. They should be able to help with all your questions. They are by-the-book guys so they won't steer you wrong.

Matt Monson · Post by **Matt Monson** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 5:48 pm

I just replied to your PM. I was just contacted by a guy with a phase II ej25 bottom end that will be available in 2 weeks. I don't know what he wants for it yet. I'll send you his contact info if the price is in the right ballpark...

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