turbo swap or motor swap?

jenkins6586 · Post by **jenkins6586** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 8:27 am

i have a 91 legacy N/A i was gonna just do a turbo swap but after some research it looked like i was gonna run in to a problem with a turbo timer so i thought a bout a whole motor swap but could only find none or very little info on this so any info helps oh yea its a auto awd if that matters

Subtle · Post by **Subtle** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 3:31 pm

Why do you want a turbo timer?

jenkins6586 · Post by **jenkins6586** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 3:56 pm

i dont to tell you the truth i dont even know what it is i need more info on what needs to be swaped i know more about superchargers then turbos so school me like a noob

skid542 · Post by **skid542** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:06 pm

jenkins6586 wrote:school me like a noob

Okay, WHACK, you just got hit with the search stick

. Seriously though, if you're thinking about doing a swap you should definately do some reading/searching. It's not that hard and it's in the realm of doable but lots to learn, to which you have come to the right place. Check out the library and the search button, they will become your friends.

Welcome to the BBS.

jenkins6586 · Post by **jenkins6586** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 5:48 pm

i was up till about 3am tring to find info but what im looking for is whats needed like a parts list

BAC5.2 · Post by **BAC5.2** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 6:49 pm

Search better. There are threads involving this.

For parts? Just run down what the turbo setup NEEDS and what you don't have.

A turbo timer isn't a stock device, and you'd run into the same scenarios with or without one.

azn2nr · Post by **azn2nr** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 8:32 pm

how about you go to nasioc and read every thread in the conversions and aftermarket forced indcution forums

somehow i have this picture in my head that you just finished watching the fast and furious last night and decided you needed some cool stuff for your car..

Project_Legacy · Post by **Project_Legacy** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 10:06 pm

lol funny. i watched it too. haha. but yea i did a swap and it wasnt too hard. there are write-ups on here cuz i used em when i was doin my swap. you'll have to find a lot of things to make it work tho.

turbo front crossmember
new exhaust (headers/downpipe if it didnt come with the motor alrdy)
turbo sensors (map/pressure sensor/some other one dont remember)
dont forget the motor! need that too

all in all best thing to do would be to get a donor car. you would have everything there readily available. took me forever to piece things one by one and finally get the car running. search. the swap isnt that hard. as long as u got the motivation and friends to keep up with it you should be fine.

jenkins6586 · Post by **jenkins6586** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 10:58 pm

azn2nr wrote:how about you go to nasioc and read every thread in the conversions and aftermarket forced indcution forums

somehow i have this picture in my head that you just finished watching the fast and furious last night and decided you needed some cool stuff for your car..

ummm no this car is gutted and being used for rally so no fast and furious here im just looking for more power and this looked like the simple route

jenkins6586 · Post by **jenkins6586** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 11:01 pm

Project_Legacy wrote:lol funny. i watched it too. haha. but yea i did a swap and it wasnt too hard. there are write-ups on here cuz i used em when i was doin my swap. you'll have to find a lot of things to make it work tho.

turbo front crossmember
new exhaust (headers/downpipe if it didnt come with the motor alrdy)
turbo sensors (map/pressure sensor/some other one dont remember)
dont forget the motor! need that too

all in all best thing to do would be to get a donor car. you would have everything there readily available. took me forever to piece things one by one and finally get the car running. search. the swap isnt that hard. as long as u got the motivation and friends to keep up with it you should be fine.

did you swap just the turbo or the whole motor what did u do with the computer did your stock one work

evolutionmovement · Post by **evolutionmovement** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 11:59 pm

Definitely get a parts car. You need the engine, ECU, MAP sensor, intake tubing, etc. You should get the radiator and upper expansion tank either. A turbo timer just runs your engine for a set time after you remove the key to help cool the turbo. Unnecessary with the oil and coolant cooled turbos in the Legacy.

There's a free turbo car on the side of the road if you read the parts forum.

Steve

azn2nr · Post by **azn2nr** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 12:00 am

jenkins6586 wrote:
azn2nr wrote:how about you go to nasioc and read every thread in the conversions and aftermarket forced indcution forums

somehow i have this picture in my head that you just finished watching the fast and furious last night and decided you needed some cool stuff for your car..
ummm no this car is gutted and being used for rally so no fast and furious here im just looking for more power and this looked like the simple route

right, well try learning what does what and why. this has been gone over and over again. saying something about a turbotimer that doesnt make sense sounds just as bad as guys asking about how to put an sr20 into a honduh

jenkins6586 · Post by **jenkins6586** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 12:46 am

azn2nr wrote:
jenkins6586 wrote:
azn2nr wrote:how about you go to nasioc and read every thread in the conversions and aftermarket forced indcution forums

somehow i have this picture in my head that you just finished watching the fast and furious last night and decided you needed some cool stuff for your car..
ummm no this car is gutted and being used for rally so no fast and furious here im just looking for more power and this looked like the simple route
right, well try learning what does what and why. this has been gone over and over again. saying something about a turbotimer that doesnt make sense sounds just as bad as guys asking about how to put an sr20 into a honduh

theres one on every board first off i have never in my life work on a car with a turbo this is just a project i thought would be fun i have alot of motor skills under my belt as i have worked for GM so dont sit there telling me to learn what does what and if you go up some i posted i wanted help and more info on how a turbo works ill say it I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT TURBOS!!! thats y i signed up to this site in the first place lay off

azn2nr · Post by **azn2nr** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 2:41 am

jenkins6586 wrote: I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT TURBOS!!!

something something learn what does what and why something something read all the posts in conversions and afi on nasioc something something read how stuff works article on turbos something something slapped with the search stick somethign something wait....we went over this already, didnt we?

jenkins6586 · Post by **jenkins6586** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 3:50 am

wow your so cool

evolutionmovement · Post by **evolutionmovement** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:04 am

What are we Christians or Muslims arguing about BS?! You're Sunni and must die! You're Shia and must die!, etc. repeat for thousands of years until something finally evolves to replace the outdated Homo Sapien. If you don't want to answer the question, don't. If a dude doesn't search and no one responds, what will that force him to do again? Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and all his merry men, where is the love, people?

Steve

Penguin · Post by **Penguin** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:13 am

jenkins,
You got to understand the boards can be rough, really rough if you ask for it! It took me eating wet cigaretts and going to the hospitol to get some help

. Most of the brains here have learned what they know by building or searching for days. So they don't just "give it up".

And 'bout every month you get the token "noob" asking to be told the perfet set up so there legacy can take there buddies audi. All of your questions have been answered before (perhps many times)but,...

if you have a N/A car that means it doesn't have a turbo. If you want a turbo get a different engine A FACTORY TURBO EJ22. unlike the N/A block the factory turbo block is closed deck and take some serious boost.

Post by **Legacy777** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:14 am

That's enough Jason & Jenkins!! Any more and this thread gets deleted.

There are quite a bit of threads out there. I just did this swap on my legacy this past summer. You can go either route, just turbo, or do an entire motor swap. Each has their own issues.

Please try and search a little more, and if you have specific questions, please ask.

Post by **Legacy777** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:27 am

BTW, the turbo radiator won't fit in the n/a legacy

azn2nr · Post by **azn2nr** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:34 am

sorry josh, ill try to be more diplomatic when pointing people to where they need to be looking.

vrg3 · Post by **vrg3** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 5:01 am

Josh - I seem to remember Hardy saying it'll fit in 91-on NA Legacies.

jenkins6586 - If you're very unfamiliar with turbochargers, I would suggest you pick up a book on the subject and learn. Titles to consider include Turbochargers by Hugh MacInness and Maximum Boost by Corky Bell. Keep in mind that they're not gospel, but it'll help you get orientated in the world of turbos.

Post by **Legacy777** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 5:16 am

vrg3 wrote:Josh - I seem to remember Hardy saying it'll fit in 91-on NA Legacies.

Hmmm....I don't see why the taller radiator would fit in the 91 and newer MY's if the n/a radiator didn't change in size between the 90 MY and 91-94 MY's???

Unless there's some more changes in the crossmember.....

vrg3 · Post by **vrg3** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 5:32 am

I dunno... maybe I'm misremembering my conversation with him.

BAC5.2 · Post by **BAC5.2** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:31 am

Legacy777 wrote:BTW, the turbo radiator won't fit in the n/a legacy

Didn't the 91 Legacy Turbo have a Turbo Radiator? I know the one in my driveway does. How is that different than the N/A?

I really don't know, so it's just speculation.

Also note, In STOCK form the car requires only a brief idle cool-down for the turbo, and the rest of the cooling will be done through gravity syphon.

If your cooling system is modified, like mine, the gravity syphon no longer works, and the car must be manually cooled post-abuse.

jenkins6586 · Post by **jenkins6586** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 7:01 am

after searching and reading posts for 5hrs all the back to 2003 im going to go with a motor swap for a ej22t but dont know what to do with the wireing alot of people say to just ad some wires to the harness (and if i do that do i use my ecu or the turbo ecu) or use the ej22t harness? thats really all im down to needing to know

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turbo swap or motor swap?

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