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Possible for brake fluid to freeze?

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I was driving home from work yesterday, got off at my exit, and the brake pedal WOULD NOT press in :shock:

Scared crap out of me... I had to STAND on the pedal hard to stop...

So is it possible that it froze?
What other issue could this be? My vacuum readings are fine, anything else that would affect the brake booster?

I've got a 3 hour drive ahead of me this weekend... I need to make sure I am safe. Thanks in advance for any input!
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The fluid wouldn't freeze, but if there's enough moisture in it, that might freeze.

Think hard -- did you suffer from loss of braking ability or from loss of brake boost?

It's not that uncommon for a little moisture to get trapped in the check valve that's in the brake booster vacuum line. If this freezes, it can prevent the valve from opening which then results in loss of brake boost. You can usually resolve this by warming the hose and then spraying the valve with WD-40 or something.

But this happened while you were driving? Do you have your hood scoop opened up?
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vrg3 wrote:The fluid wouldn't freeze, but if there's enough moisture in it, that might freeze.

Think hard -- did you suffer from loss of braking ability or from loss of brake boost?

It's not that uncommon for a little moisture to get trapped in the check valve that's in the brake booster vacuum line. If this freezes, it can prevent the valve from opening which then results in loss of brake boost. You can usually resolve this by warming the hose and then spraying the valve with WD-40 or something.

But this happened while you were driving? Do you have your hood scoop opened up?
Feels like the booster... I do have a wrx hood scoop, and it has been very cold here. It sounds like it could be the issue you describe. Where is this valve?
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Okay, cuz without the scoop I'd think it impossible for this to happen while driving -- it usually happens right after starting the car when it's been parked in the cold.

The valve is in the brake booster hose. About halfway along the hose (between the booster and the intake manifold) you'll feel a hard lump; this is the valve. I don't know if it's possible to remove it from the hose without destroying the hose.

If you have the means I would actually recommend replacing the valve. A good auto parts store will have a cheap check valve.

Also, keep some 3/8" hose in the trunk to replace the entire brake booster hose just in case. It'll work fine without the check valve except that you won't get power brakes while on boost or when the engine's stalled.
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As usual thank you! I'll keep you posted on the verdict :)
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sounds silly but I find if you do donuts and step on the petal to stop. It becomes rock hard, but then goes down, like it has to bleed off pressure.
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What's your technique for doing donuts?
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Figure 8-'s or long wide slides.

if you hit the brakes while coming down in Rpm's the petal is as stiff as can be, and when the ABS comes on while the petal really wont go to the floor, you can feel the petal sink back to the normal height.

did it on the 98 and does it on the 03.
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Wait, am I understanding right? You're pressing the brake pedal while RPMs are high and the throttle is closed, and not getting assist?
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vrg3 wrote:Wait, am I understanding right? You're pressing the brake pedal while RPMs are high and the throttle is closed, and not getting assist?
That is correct.
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That's weird; you ought to get the most boost in that situation.
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vrg3 wrote:That's weird; you ought to get the most boost in that situation.
Hmm maybe thats what I'm feeling...

Just thinking about it, it seems it just reads the speed from the wheels and maybe the rate of the car is moving?

however say going I dunno 80 Mph and pressing the brakes down does not have the same petal feel as just going around in the parking lot.
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Wait, are you talking about ABS effects or power brakes effects?
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Post by 1-3-2-4 »

I guess it's both that are making the brake petal harder to press after you been spinning around in the snow.

I have not bother seing if it is the same on my impreza because I don't want to get stuck in the snow.
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