That may be an extreme way to put it, but does anybody else feel our cars' days are numbered as far as daily usefulness goes simply because they burn gasoline?
By the way, what the heck does MAF stand for? I see it in so many posts. I've read a lot of them trying to figure it out, but just can't.
So there are two topics in one post. Criminal for sure.
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Well, we're definitely going to run out of gasoline at some point, but I don't think we've seen the end of the internal combustion engine.
There's still propane as Splinter said, there's hydrogen, there's ethanol, etc.
But, then there's the issue of supply with those fuels. None of them could even begin to meet the world's energy demands. I think if we can find a cheap, fast way to extract hydrogen from water, then that will be the new world fuel. But it's too expensive and takes too much work at this point in time.
All I say is, we better get cracking, because as I've said before, I feel very confident that we will run out of petroleum entirely before the 21st century is over.
There's still propane as Splinter said, there's hydrogen, there's ethanol, etc.
But, then there's the issue of supply with those fuels. None of them could even begin to meet the world's energy demands. I think if we can find a cheap, fast way to extract hydrogen from water, then that will be the new world fuel. But it's too expensive and takes too much work at this point in time.
All I say is, we better get cracking, because as I've said before, I feel very confident that we will run out of petroleum entirely before the 21st century is over.
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Yeah, there's still a shitload... relative to the vehicles we have now.Richard wrote:There's still a shitload of oil out there. It's getting and refining it that's the problem.
We will keep growing, and we will keep putting more and more cars out on the road, and each one of them needs gas.
As we grow, so will our rate of consumption.
And yes, we do need to refine it faster and more efficiently. What I've heard is that all our refineries (and we haven't built a single new one since the 70's) are running at full capacity. That's what I've been told anyway.
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But we should… and the sooner the better.subyluvr2212 wrote:Well, we're definitely going to run out of gasoline at some point, but I don't think we've seen the end of the internal combustion engine.
Carbon dioxide (CO2) is a product of combustion no matter what the fuel (or how efficiently its burned) and CO2 is the number one gas contributing to global warming. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again… the future is electric. The real question is how are we going to generate and store that electricity.
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We're discussing a different kind of obsolescence ScottTleg93 wrote:Vikash should ring in on this one. I think he knows quite a bit about what is or is about to be obsolete on our cars. I think that some items already are obsolete, I don't know what they are though. It's good that many WRX parts can be used with a little tweaking.
Nevertheless, as far as OEM parts go, I can tell you what's obsolete and what's not.
The number one greenhouse gas is water vapor. Look it up.
Here's the problem with electric cars. They run on electricity. We burn coal, oil, and natural gas to power the majority of our electric needs. As our need for electricity increases, so will the need for the fuel to make it. The price will go up as oil is doing now. And, eventually, we'd run out. People go apeshit when you mention the word reactor. Ted Kennedies and bird advocates put the kabash on wind farms. Solar panels would have to dominate the country's non-urban green space in order to keep up with demand, i.e. no more countryside. Hippies and tree huggers would blow up dams before they could be built. There'd be no way to power our need for electricity in order for plug-in cars to be widely used. Those who choose to use one would drive up the price for everyone else who just want to watch TV and keep food cold.
As long as the hippies get their wish by China and third-world countries developing economies and industries and bringing themselves out of the poorhouse, our cost for energy will continue to go up. So will the cost of raw materials to build stuff. There's not much we can do about their needs and we're too stupid to use our resources and technology to benefit ourselves. The future is not bright for us westerners.
I have a solution to our mobility needs. Buy a horse. You're making Al Bore happy by not burning fossil fuels, using a renewable resource (your lawn) to power it, and horses can be great buddies! If you get enough of them, you can tow your boat or a 53ft semi trailer. You could still get chicks by towing your Corvette around town. They reproduce, so there's a never ending supply of them. You can justifiably wear a cowboy hat and boots (unlike that duuuude at the bar with the Ford Escort). They're all-natural. They're 100% organic. They're all wheel drive. What's not to love? Of course you'll have people complaining about the poop they leave and PETA will have a field day if anyone actually rides a horse, but F___ 'em! They're not doing anything to save the environment, now are they?
Here's the problem with electric cars. They run on electricity. We burn coal, oil, and natural gas to power the majority of our electric needs. As our need for electricity increases, so will the need for the fuel to make it. The price will go up as oil is doing now. And, eventually, we'd run out. People go apeshit when you mention the word reactor. Ted Kennedies and bird advocates put the kabash on wind farms. Solar panels would have to dominate the country's non-urban green space in order to keep up with demand, i.e. no more countryside. Hippies and tree huggers would blow up dams before they could be built. There'd be no way to power our need for electricity in order for plug-in cars to be widely used. Those who choose to use one would drive up the price for everyone else who just want to watch TV and keep food cold.
As long as the hippies get their wish by China and third-world countries developing economies and industries and bringing themselves out of the poorhouse, our cost for energy will continue to go up. So will the cost of raw materials to build stuff. There's not much we can do about their needs and we're too stupid to use our resources and technology to benefit ourselves. The future is not bright for us westerners.
I have a solution to our mobility needs. Buy a horse. You're making Al Bore happy by not burning fossil fuels, using a renewable resource (your lawn) to power it, and horses can be great buddies! If you get enough of them, you can tow your boat or a 53ft semi trailer. You could still get chicks by towing your Corvette around town. They reproduce, so there's a never ending supply of them. You can justifiably wear a cowboy hat and boots (unlike that duuuude at the bar with the Ford Escort). They're all-natural. They're 100% organic. They're all wheel drive. What's not to love? Of course you'll have people complaining about the poop they leave and PETA will have a field day if anyone actually rides a horse, but F___ 'em! They're not doing anything to save the environment, now are they?
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we use fosil fuels to create hydrogen, ethenol, and electricity.
Exxon made $65,000 a minute last year. Times 525600 minutes....do that math
biodiesel is the easiest best answer
google video the "MYT motor" it will blow you away
Peak oil is now. Think there's a shitload of oil in the world?
Watch the movie Syriana.
I'll be doin a diesel vanagon motorswap INTO my Legacy.
BTW, unless your making batteries out of thin air, gas is still cheaper and safer for the evironment than electric cars.
Recyclers are the largest producers of hazardous waste.
Exxon made $65,000 a minute last year. Times 525600 minutes....do that math
biodiesel is the easiest best answer
google video the "MYT motor" it will blow you away
Peak oil is now. Think there's a shitload of oil in the world?
Watch the movie Syriana.
I'll be doin a diesel vanagon motorswap INTO my Legacy.
BTW, unless your making batteries out of thin air, gas is still cheaper and safer for the evironment than electric cars.
Recyclers are the largest producers of hazardous waste.
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The water vapor from a hydrogen car can be captured and recondensed into liquid water, which is more fuel.
The poop from a horse can be reused as fertilizer for the grass that it eats too.
Indeed. L.A. has lots of it. I'm all for a biodiesel-hybrid car if it can be done right.DIRTY water vapor. AS in the toxic gasses and particulates trapped in the water vapor
The water vapor from a hydrogen car can be captured and recondensed into liquid water, which is more fuel.
The poop from a horse can be reused as fertilizer for the grass that it eats too.
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