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Dyno time part 3b

Post by dscoobydoo »

My previous Dyno runs are posted here:
http://bbs.legacycentral.org/viewtopic. ... highlight=



OK, so we managed to book a time with Dom- who does a LOT of subaru tuning locally and was HIGHLY recommended! ( If any of you know Seattle's Kito Auto Sport- he works with/ out of their building)

Anyway, after the last couple of months driving the car after getting it back from Rallitek, and then a few fixes at PIA, we KNEW that Rallitek did a quick road tune to be done with us and sent us down the road.

The car did not idle correctly, and the AFR's were way off on the top end and the bottom end.
The turbo needed to have some wastegate adjustment, and the PP6 needed to be finely tuned all throughout the range.

So Dom spent about 3 hours on the car. We rolled in at 1:15, got on the dyno around 1:40, and we got off it at about 4:45.

Dom would run the car, tune, run it then tune, on and on and on.

this is part of the end result:
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The final best numbers are:
197 HP @ 5585 RPM
228 TQ @ 3537 RPM


The dotted line is the first pull. From that you can see the issues.
The Full line is one of the last runs. A huge improvement.


Now, there are still some issues that need to be handled:
The wastegate arm was a little loose, so the curve reflects this.
But when the car is hot, you can't do anything about this.

Also, the intecooler was way hot. It was not big enough to handle the power we were trying to push.

He also lowered the boost from 18 to 16. This was to try and make the power more even and linear.

Now, in comparison: He says their dyno reads low. A stock STI reads from 235-245 on their dyno. A stock WRX reads about 165.

With that, I am happy with the numbers, but I know there is more power to be had.

Sadly, one of the issues is that our cars tend to have higher mileage: this means more blow-by.
Which in turn means less cooling from the intercooler and less power overall.

Second is that we can only fit small intercoolers and the hood scoops are small also.

Jake's front mount is looking pretty good at this point.

The 565 injectors we are using are good , but at this power level not necessary. ( the 440's would be more than adequate)The 16G is easily big enough, or a VF39 would be good also. Our super 16G is more power than we can produce.

So with 15-30 more HP/TQ, we will be at least even with a STI.
A Front mount might get us there.

Another shortcut for power would be to kill the CAT, but I want to maintain emissions compliance.

The overall day was great, and the car is so much smoother.

My thanks to Dom!

Shortversion:

Final Car dyno
No mods: 136 HP@5500 147TQ @ 3750
16G-IC 172@5200 193TQ @ 3750
Final 197@5585 228TQ @ 3537

Final gains of: 61 HP and 81 TQ
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Post by farfrumwork »

Great results Disco!

So the wavy torque/hp curve is a result of the loose wastegate arm? intertesting. Do you think that "fixing" the wastegate arm will fill-in the 2 dips?

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Post by Adam West »

<<<<Final Car dyno

No mods: 136 HP@5500 147TQ @ 3750
16G-IC 172@5200 193TQ @ 3750
Final 197@5585 228TQ @ 3537

Final gains of: 61 HP and 81 TQ>>>

Awesome!! Looks like all the hard work paid off!
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Post by n2x4 »

So you think that the 16g and 565cc's is overkill for a topmount?

I'm sure a better flowing IC would get you into the STI numbers that you're looking for.

Very Nice!
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Post by Adam West »

Front mount...is there one in your future?

Also, have you guys read the article in the latest SubiSport on cams? I need to do some research on that...
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Post by dscoobydoo »

Yes, the 565's and super16 are pushing way too much for the 06 WRX topmount to handle.

It is pushing so much air that it gets hot too fast to be efficient.

so, any of the VF series and 440's would be good for the 06 intercooler.

I have been reading up on the rsliberty forums and been seeing what the Aussies have been doing.

SO- we are going to go Front mount.
BUT, since we have the fogs, our front mount install will be different from the usual one because we want to keep the fogs.

More pics to come later!

And YES- the bigger intercooler will get us to the STI numbers I was looking for.
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Post by Adam West »

By different you mean???

I think you'll want to leave more of the bumper intact than the Impreza crowd that seems to completely remove the bumper beam?

This seems nicely done - doesn't rely soley on the FMIC and piping to do the job of the bumper...

http://bbs.legacycentral.org/viewtopic. ... highlight=

I'd love to know what the Aussies/Kiwi's have been doing over the years. Do share when you find out.

Exciting stuff!!!

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Post by 93forestpearl »

You ditching the bumper beam?
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Post by dscoobydoo »

No, the beam is still there.

But you have to trim the back side to fit the intercooler.

I want to keep the fogs.
The fogs are attached to the beam.

So, to go with the intercooler, you trim the backside of the middle of the beam.
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