Thanks Dave,
Are those early WRX and Legacy intercoolers that would work in our cars Air to
Air or the Water to Air type? And which is better? You say it's not bolt-in.
Exactly how difficult is it to get an intercooler to fit? Is this why you
haven't installed an intercooler in your car?
You lost me a little bit with the hp estimates. Stock is 160hp and you said
gains of 25-40hp and then after you said a total of 220hp at 13psi. Were you
saying the 25-40hp gain would result just by installing the intercooler?
Seems like my cars state is much like urs with the exception of my exhaust
being done and you having an electronic BC as opposed to my MBC. So how much
gain would you say that 13psi gives you??
FRED
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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 00:17:28 -0000
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
From: Dave.C[legacycentral]@yahoo.com
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Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: HORSEPOWER
Welcome Fred.
Intercoolers are no small feat to get working on these cars. The
early WRX and Legacy ones will work, but they're not bolt-in.
I'm sure the turbo is getting warmer with more boost, but i've never
noticed such a smell, at 11 or 13PSI.
Most estimates of horsepower gains after adding and IC are 25-40,
depending on how much boost and what other mods have been done. Even
a stock motor would benefit from the intercooler without adding boost.
I'd say 220HP, give or take a few, at 13PSI, but that's just an
estimate.
I haven't got around to doing any 1320 runs yet at a strip, and my
only experience with a G-tech was shady, at best.
Manual controllers have a hard time with weather, that's why i spent
$500 for the Apexi AVC-R and have never regretted it. It looks cool
and does a fabulous job.
I run 13PSI, even in the summer, but it's hard to reach that because
my exhaust is still stock and the turbo doesn't spool very high
unless i'm out on the autocross course really pushing it.
Check out Legacy Central for what i've done to my wagon and feel free
to ask me more questions.
Dave
--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., WHITMO02@C... wrote:
> How's it going Legacy Crew?
>
> I own a 1992 Legacy Turbo (North American version) with 160hp. I'm
> currently
> in the process of trying to increase the hp and looking for other
> modifications I could do for more power. So far I've installed a
> Manual
> Boost-controller, drop-in K&N filter, and did some exhaust work.
I'm
> trying
> to get my hands on an intercooler seeing mine doesn't have one.
I've
> noticed
> a burning smell since I've increased my boost to 11-12psi. I
figure
> the
> turbo getting hot must be causing this smell that only occurs when
> driving
> hard. Does anyone else have this experience? Does anyone know
aprox
> how much
> more hp installing an intercooler would give me? And how much hp
> would I have
> running the car at 13psi intercooled? Has anyone ran any 1/4 mile
> times with
> these mods done? I've noticed that boost fluctuates according to
the
> weather.
> I'm too scared to up my boost anymore especially in the summer!
Is
> anyone
> running 13psi without an intercooler in the summer?????
> Any answers, specs, and modification recommendations are appreciated
>
> Thanks,
>
> Fred
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The reason i don't have an IC is because neither the WRX or Legacy
intercoolers fit very well without modifications and some custom
work. The problem is, i can't seem to find a shop competent enough,
or with enough time, or that isn't charging and arm and a leg to do
such work.
I'm probably going to settle for JC Sports Air/Water kit, or perhaps
just have something built.
The HP estimates are a bit confusing, but simply adding an
intercooler of any kind to our stock system will increase
horsepower. By increasing the boost, you're getting even more, so a
gain of 60HP doesn't seem unreasonable when you're adding both an
intercooler and about 4PSI of boost.
--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., FREDERICK.WHITMORE@C... wrote:
> Thanks Dave,
> Are those early WRX and Legacy intercoolers that would work in our
cars Air to
> Air or the Water to Air type? And which is better? You say it's
not bolt-in.
> Exactly how difficult is it to get an intercooler to fit? Is this
why you
> haven't installed an intercooler in your car?
>
> You lost me a little bit with the hp estimates. Stock is 160hp and
you said
> gains of 25-40hp and then after you said a total of 220hp at
13psi. Were you
> saying the 25-40hp gain would result just by installing the
intercooler?
> Seems like my cars state is much like urs with the exception of my
exhaust
> being done and you having an electronic BC as opposed to my MBC.
So how much
> gain would you say that 13psi gives you??
>
> FRED
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intercoolers fit very well without modifications and some custom
work. The problem is, i can't seem to find a shop competent enough,
or with enough time, or that isn't charging and arm and a leg to do
such work.
I'm probably going to settle for JC Sports Air/Water kit, or perhaps
just have something built.
The HP estimates are a bit confusing, but simply adding an
intercooler of any kind to our stock system will increase
horsepower. By increasing the boost, you're getting even more, so a
gain of 60HP doesn't seem unreasonable when you're adding both an
intercooler and about 4PSI of boost.
--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., FREDERICK.WHITMORE@C... wrote:
> Thanks Dave,
> Are those early WRX and Legacy intercoolers that would work in our
cars Air to
> Air or the Water to Air type? And which is better? You say it's
not bolt-in.
> Exactly how difficult is it to get an intercooler to fit? Is this
why you
> haven't installed an intercooler in your car?
>
> You lost me a little bit with the hp estimates. Stock is 160hp and
you said
> gains of 25-40hp and then after you said a total of 220hp at
13psi. Were you
> saying the 25-40hp gain would result just by installing the
intercooler?
> Seems like my cars state is much like urs with the exception of my
exhaust
> being done and you having an electronic BC as opposed to my MBC.
So how much
> gain would you say that 13psi gives you??
>
> FRED
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I recently got a 95 WRX Intercooler installed on my 92 legacy. It took
the shop several hours to modify the IC so that it fit right. I hear
the older than 95 ICs from WRX fit better but I'm not positive. I would
also suggest asking a local performance shop how much a custom IC would
cost. My total IC install including the purchase of the IC came to just
under 700 Canadian, but I had a huge discount on the labor, only being
charged for about half the time spent. This is why I suggest also
looking into a custom IC. As for the horsepower gains, I probably got
5-8 hp but have discovered that I am running really low boost, only
about 6.5psi so I will be able to give you much more accurate numbers
after my boost controller arrives.
-Adam
-----Original Message-----
From: FREDERICK.WHITMORE@CN.CA [mailto:FREDERICK.WHITMORE@CN.CA]
Sent: August 29, 2001 3:28 PM
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: HORSEPOWE
Thanks Dave,
Are those early WRX and Legacy intercoolers that would work in our cars
Air to
Air or the Water to Air type? And which is better? You say it's not
bolt-in.
Exactly how difficult is it to get an intercooler to fit? Is this why
you
haven't installed an intercooler in your car?
You lost me a little bit with the hp estimates. Stock is 160hp and you
said
gains of 25-40hp and then after you said a total of 220hp at 13psi.
Were you
saying the 25-40hp gain would result just by installing the intercooler?
Seems like my cars state is much like urs with the exception of my
exhaust
being done and you having an electronic BC as opposed to my MBC. So how
much
gain would you say that 13psi gives you??
FRED
------------------( Forwarded letter 1 follows )--------------------
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 00:17:28 -0000
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
From: Dave.C[legacycentral]@yahoo.com
Sender: sentto-2208544-4125-999044322-WHITMO02=CN.CA@returns.onelist.com
Reply-To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: HORSEPOWER
Welcome Fred.
Intercoolers are no small feat to get working on these cars. The
early WRX and Legacy ones will work, but they're not bolt-in.
I'm sure the turbo is getting warmer with more boost, but i've never
noticed such a smell, at 11 or 13PSI.
Most estimates of horsepower gains after adding and IC are 25-40,
depending on how much boost and what other mods have been done. Even
a stock motor would benefit from the intercooler without adding boost.
I'd say 220HP, give or take a few, at 13PSI, but that's just an
estimate.
I haven't got around to doing any 1320 runs yet at a strip, and my
only experience with a G-tech was shady, at best.
Manual controllers have a hard time with weather, that's why i spent
$500 for the Apexi AVC-R and have never regretted it. It looks cool
and does a fabulous job.
I run 13PSI, even in the summer, but it's hard to reach that because
my exhaust is still stock and the turbo doesn't spool very high
unless i'm out on the autocross course really pushing it.
Check out Legacy Central for what i've done to my wagon and feel free
to ask me more questions.
Dave
--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., WHITMO02@C... wrote:
> How's it going Legacy Crew?
>
> I own a 1992 Legacy Turbo (North American version) with 160hp. I'm
> currently
> in the process of trying to increase the hp and looking for other
> modifications I could do for more power. So far I've installed a
> Manual
> Boost-controller, drop-in K&N filter, and did some exhaust work.
I'm
> trying
> to get my hands on an intercooler seeing mine doesn't have one.
I've
> noticed
> a burning smell since I've increased my boost to 11-12psi. I
figure
> the
> turbo getting hot must be causing this smell that only occurs when
> driving
> hard. Does anyone else have this experience? Does anyone know
aprox
> how much
> more hp installing an intercooler would give me? And how much hp
> would I have
> running the car at 13psi intercooled? Has anyone ran any 1/4 mile
> times with
> these mods done? I've noticed that boost fluctuates according to
the
> weather.
> I'm too scared to up my boost anymore especially in the summer!
Is
> anyone
> running 13psi without an intercooler in the summer?????
> Any answers, specs, and modification recommendations are appreciated
>
> Thanks,
>
> Fred
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the shop several hours to modify the IC so that it fit right. I hear
the older than 95 ICs from WRX fit better but I'm not positive. I would
also suggest asking a local performance shop how much a custom IC would
cost. My total IC install including the purchase of the IC came to just
under 700 Canadian, but I had a huge discount on the labor, only being
charged for about half the time spent. This is why I suggest also
looking into a custom IC. As for the horsepower gains, I probably got
5-8 hp but have discovered that I am running really low boost, only
about 6.5psi so I will be able to give you much more accurate numbers
after my boost controller arrives.
-Adam
-----Original Message-----
From: FREDERICK.WHITMORE@CN.CA [mailto:FREDERICK.WHITMORE@CN.CA]
Sent: August 29, 2001 3:28 PM
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: HORSEPOWE
Thanks Dave,
Are those early WRX and Legacy intercoolers that would work in our cars
Air to
Air or the Water to Air type? And which is better? You say it's not
bolt-in.
Exactly how difficult is it to get an intercooler to fit? Is this why
you
haven't installed an intercooler in your car?
You lost me a little bit with the hp estimates. Stock is 160hp and you
said
gains of 25-40hp and then after you said a total of 220hp at 13psi.
Were you
saying the 25-40hp gain would result just by installing the intercooler?
Seems like my cars state is much like urs with the exception of my
exhaust
being done and you having an electronic BC as opposed to my MBC. So how
much
gain would you say that 13psi gives you??
FRED
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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 00:17:28 -0000
To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
From: Dave.C[legacycentral]@yahoo.com
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Reply-To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Re: HORSEPOWER
Welcome Fred.
Intercoolers are no small feat to get working on these cars. The
early WRX and Legacy ones will work, but they're not bolt-in.
I'm sure the turbo is getting warmer with more boost, but i've never
noticed such a smell, at 11 or 13PSI.
Most estimates of horsepower gains after adding and IC are 25-40,
depending on how much boost and what other mods have been done. Even
a stock motor would benefit from the intercooler without adding boost.
I'd say 220HP, give or take a few, at 13PSI, but that's just an
estimate.
I haven't got around to doing any 1320 runs yet at a strip, and my
only experience with a G-tech was shady, at best.
Manual controllers have a hard time with weather, that's why i spent
$500 for the Apexi AVC-R and have never regretted it. It looks cool
and does a fabulous job.
I run 13PSI, even in the summer, but it's hard to reach that because
my exhaust is still stock and the turbo doesn't spool very high
unless i'm out on the autocross course really pushing it.
Check out Legacy Central for what i've done to my wagon and feel free
to ask me more questions.
Dave
--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., WHITMO02@C... wrote:
> How's it going Legacy Crew?
>
> I own a 1992 Legacy Turbo (North American version) with 160hp. I'm
> currently
> in the process of trying to increase the hp and looking for other
> modifications I could do for more power. So far I've installed a
> Manual
> Boost-controller, drop-in K&N filter, and did some exhaust work.
I'm
> trying
> to get my hands on an intercooler seeing mine doesn't have one.
I've
> noticed
> a burning smell since I've increased my boost to 11-12psi. I
figure
> the
> turbo getting hot must be causing this smell that only occurs when
> driving
> hard. Does anyone else have this experience? Does anyone know
aprox
> how much
> more hp installing an intercooler would give me? And how much hp
> would I have
> running the car at 13psi intercooled? Has anyone ran any 1/4 mile
> times with
> these mods done? I've noticed that boost fluctuates according to
the
> weather.
> I'm too scared to up my boost anymore especially in the summer!
Is
> anyone
> running 13psi without an intercooler in the summer?????
> Any answers, specs, and modification recommendations are appreciated
>
> Thanks,
>
> Fred
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--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Soulja1" <soulja1@h...> wrote:
> I recently got a 95 WRX Intercooler installed on my 92 legacy. It
took
> the shop several hours to modify the IC so that it fit right. I
hear
> the older than 95 ICs from WRX fit better but I'm not positive. I
would
> also suggest asking a local performance shop how much a custom IC
would
> cost. My total IC install including the purchase of the IC came to
just
> under 700 Canadian, but I had a huge discount on the labor, only
being
> charged for about half the time spent. This is why I suggest also
> looking into a custom IC. As for the horsepower gains, I probably
got
> 5-8 hp but have discovered that I am running really low boost, only
> about 6.5psi so I will be able to give you much more accurate
numbers
> after my boost controller arrives.
> -Adam
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--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "Soulja1" <soulja1@h...> wrote:
> I recently got a 95 WRX Intercooler installed on my 92 legacy. It
took
> the shop several hours to modify the IC so that it fit right. I
hear
> the older than 95 ICs from WRX fit better but I'm not positive. I
would
> also suggest asking a local performance shop how much a custom IC
would
> cost. My total IC install including the purchase of the IC came to
just
> under 700 Canadian, but I had a huge discount on the labor, only
being
> charged for about half the time spent. This is why I suggest also
> looking into a custom IC. As for the horsepower gains, I probably
got
> 5-8 hp but have discovered that I am running really low boost, only
> about 6.5psi so I will be able to give you much more accurate
numbers
> after my boost controller arrives.
> -Adam
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