GD/GG/GE/GH Impreza style shifter on BC/BF/BJ Legacy UPDATED

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Post by vrg3 »

Hmm, well, the adapter does appear to include a rubber bushing...

I "accidentally" won an eBay auction for a WRX shifter assembly for 1 cent (plus $15 shipping :roll:), and I know the boostjunkie Legacy's shifter bushings are shot since there's as much play in 1st gear as there should be in neutral. But maybe I'd be in good enough shape just swapping the large bushing.
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I think it might be just as easy to swap the square one in the back too. Easier maybe :)
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Post by ultrasonic »

mTk wrote: Image
There are bushes in this part. In my original shifter, still on the car unfortunately, they are totally deteriorated-- gone. To the point where metal to metal contact between the parts has caused further wear. I can't explain how bad it is.

If you don't want to kick up the cash for the STi shifter, I think the easiest thing to do is use an entire WRX take off linkage.
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Post by ej22t »

The parts shows above have come with the bushing, the only bushing you can change is the big one on the other shift, Kartboy made one and I replaced one from Energy Supension, that one cost around $10 to $15 and its easy to get it in, good upgrade.
Man, the WRX shifter rocks and I am very happy with it now...... hehe :twisted:
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Post by mTk »

Edited parts post on first page to have a link to subaruparts.com

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Post by snowjob »

I just installed the wrx shifter in my car, WOW, holly difference, ok so the old one had upwards of 240000km on it, but I"m looking forward to just using my wrist to change gears :)
if you have any questions on the install, give me a shout.
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Post by nicebloke »

Well I'm new to the Legacy community. Just picked up a 90 LS Wagon 4wd 5-speed.

I'd like to do the WRX linkage mod, but the info in the thread ended up with broken links to pictures. Does anyone have a step-by-step method with pics? I guess I'm most confused about the roll-pin thing, so pics of that would be awesome. Any special tools that I'd need to deal with that part of the swap?

Finally, anyone with a WRX linkage they'd like to sell, please PM me.

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Post by snowjob »

just grab one off ebay, way cheaper and they go for like $5. the roll pin is fairly straight forward, it's like the pin in the driveshaft, but has another pin in it.
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Post by rallysam »

Can someone clarify once and for all the part# for the "adaptor" one would need to buy in order to use a WRX linkage?
a) 35046
b) 35047AC030

This thread reminds me of "Who's on First". Maybe I am just missing something. Are they the same part?
ej22t wrote:Thanks for your reply MK, but do you know what kind of adapter I needs?
mtk wrote:The part is: 35047AC030...see #35046
ej22t wrote:SO the part: 35046 is must have in the kit, am I right?
mtk wrote:Yeah, you WILL need it to install the wrx linkage, the one that is on the legacy doesn't line up the same w/ the wrx linkage. part # is 35047AC030
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Post by vrg3 »

35046 isn't a part number... it's just a designation on the parts diagram. The part you need is part number 35047AC030.
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Post by rallysam »

Perfect, thanks!
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Post by White Out »

Thought that I would add this link in. They have a bit of a cheaper price for part no. 35047AC030. $15 off of MSRP. https://www.subarugenuineparts.com/oe_parts_cat.html

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Post by rallysam »

I ended up getting the SPT short shifter and that adaptor. Install sucked, but it feels great.
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Post by Psychoreo »

How about some backwards engineering.... WRX trans with a factory legacy shifter? The adaptor that has the double roll pin thing comes off, anyone have the PN for the legacy adaptor? (assuming it fits the WRX shaft, as the WRX adaptor fits the legacy shaft)
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Post by Threshld1 »

Well i can tell you the PN for the legacy knuckle itself as they tried to give it to me when i ordered the WRX one. 35047AA030 is the double U knuckle "male ends" part and 35047AC030 is the WRX part. This does not include the actual part that connects with the roll pin to the tranny as it is a seperate part unlike the newer WRX part.
Note to self: Air Hammer > Spring pin

Also i should add the part #'s for the bolt, nut, and roll pin for the WRX assembly as the stock legacy bolt will not work.

35052AA031 - Bolt
633046020 - Spring Pin
023508000 - Nut Self Lock
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Post by Psychoreo »

Threshld1 wrote:. This does not include the actual part that connects with the roll pin to the tranny as it is a seperate part unlike the newer WRX
That's what I'm looking for. Oh well, I'l just fab something up. Shouldn't be too hard.

Remove the bracket from the trans, chisel off the larger horizontal hollow pin/bushing. Cut and notch the end of the shift lever. Weld the vertical pin/bushing to the shift lever. Put a bolt through the horizontal pin/bushing. Re-pin the assembly to the shaft. Done
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Post by IronMonkeyL255 »

Do you guys think this setup would fit with the stock shifter assembly?

http://turninconcepts10.chainreactionwe ... a418cf566c

It's made for the '02+ WRX, but I was thinking the components should be the same size.

edit:

What about this?

http://turninconcepts10.chainreactionwe ... a418cf566c

The same as the above kit, but with a short throw shifter assembly designed for the '97-'01 Impreza.
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Post by Legacy777 »

The front & rear bushing kit will work....the lever...probably not.
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Post by BMWGeoff »

will this mod work for non-turbo legacy's? particularily a 90 Sedan?
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Yeah it should work just fine.
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Post by BSOD2600 »

Alright so its time to eliminate the sloppy shifter on the TW. After going through the thread, just want to confirm the parts that I'll need so it'll be an easy install with nothing missing. Then order them all up from subaruparts.com

C1010FA001 - STI Short Throw Shifter
35047AC030 - WRX Joint
35052AA031 - Bolt
633046020 - Spring Pin
023508000 - Nut Self Lock

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Post by BSOD2600 »

No one can confirm or deny that parts list? I'd like to get the stuff ordered up asap.

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Post by entirelyturbo »

Okay, everybody, sit round and listen up. Here's the skinny.

First off, before I get started, I want to say DO NOT PUT A 2008 IMPREZA SHIFTER IN YOUR CAR!

I learned the hard way, several times, that the new 08 GE/GH Impreza shifter is not the same as the GD/GG shifter. I installed it anyway (because I got such a good deal on it), but it required a LOT of fabwork, and had I gotten the same deal on a GD/GG shifter, I would have easily taken it.

As for the debate over what parts are needed and why... well, here are your answers.

The old-style Subaru shifter looks like this. Pay close attention to the upper linkage:
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Here's the bracket off the old shifter, again, pay close attention to its shape:
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Now, here is the 08 WRX shifter, and again, pay close attention to the upper linkage:
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Now, here's the bracket for the new shifter, again, pay close attention to its shape:
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Can you see the difference? The linkage is essentially reversed. THAT'S why you need the bracket off the new-style shifter.

NOW... you must get the bracket that goes by the part number 35047AC030 as others have said. But that's not the bracket pictured. The bracket pictured is 35046AG020 for the 08 WRX. This bracket does not have a little hole for the shifter return spring to grab onto. I guess maybe the 08 WRX transmission has an internal spring. So unless you want your shifter to flop around like a... well... you know, you MUST get the 35047AC030 bracket.

Now, continuing...

You also need the bolt that goes by the part number 35045FC000. The reason is that that bolt has its own sleeve on it which fits snugly in the bushings that come with the 35047AC030 bracket. You CANNOT use the sleeve and bolt from either your old shifter or the 08 WRX shifter, because they will not fit in the 35047AC030 bracket.

But wait... the 35045FC000 bolt doesn't just fit into the 08 WRX shifter either:
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The sleeved portion of the bolt is too fat... so you have to drill the hole bigger - I used a 3/8 size drill bit and still had to scrape the drill bit around the edges of the new hole just to make it big enough:
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See?
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Ahh, that's better. This is what it looks like complete:
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Now don't make the stupid mistake I did. I drilled the hole above the shifter, so the bolt would have to be inserted from the top of the shifter while in the car. Although that adds a tiny bit of safety to it (should the nut ever come off the bolt, the bolt won't fall out), that made putting the bolt in A LOT harder, because the body of the car is just close enough to the shifter assembly that it won't allow the bolt to go straight in. You'd need to have the entire shifter assembly dangling out the bottom of the car for you to be able to get the bolt in... or at least that's what I had to do.

Now, moving on...

That's not even close to being the only problem.

The biggest problem with the whole installation was that the 08 WRX shifter is TOO LONG:
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Compare the pocket where the ball of the shifter sits. See how it's about an inch longer than the old one?

That meant that, without fabwork, it would NOT fit in the car at all. With the back of the shifter sticking out the rear mount and hitting against the body of the car, the front circular mount would NOT fit over the bolt on the transmission.

So I had to grind the back of the shifter off:
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But that wasn't the end of it either.

I figured, since I was going through all this hassle, I'd at least improve the shift feel a bit by getting some Kartboy shifter mounts.

But the rear Kartboy mount is significantly longer than the stock mount, which meant that even with the end of the new shifter ground off, it still was too snug of a fit.

So I completely ruined whatever warranty or return policy that came with the Kartboy mounts and ground off part of the rear Kartboy mount:
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Just FYI, grinding any rubber or polyurethane with a grinder will essentially melt it due to the heat, and it is NOT fun spilling melting hot polyurethane on your bare hand.

Anyway, so that was enough for me to mount the shifter assembly in the car.

But it wasn't going to give up quite that easily.

The front mount of the 08 WRX shifter, while it does not appear to be any narrower, apparently is, because when I had it mounted on initially, it would slide back and forth about a millimeter between the transmission and the big washer that holds the shifter return spring. So I bought some washers (a quarter is in the picture for size comparison):
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... and they were big enough to take up the slack, so that when I tightened the nut down, it squeezes the front mount securely.

So now the 08 WRX shifter is successfully installed in my car.

You can see in this picture where the pocket in the shifter is right up against the rear mount, thus necessitating me to grind it down:
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And although it's not easy, you can see the washers on either side of the front mounts:
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So... how does it feel?

Well, one of the first things I noticed about the 2008 WRX when I sat in it is how the shift pattern has moved. I'm not sure why, but Subaru moved the shifter down (towards the rear of the car) and to the right (towards the passenger seat). That probably explains why the shifter is longer. Seriously, drive your 5spd Legacy to a Subaru dealer, immediately get out of it and get into a 2008 WRX and play with the shifter. The whole shift pattern feels about an inch farther away from you toward the passenger and also down a bit toward the rear of the car.

And now that's how my car feels.

It might make more sense if I say that where my first gear is now is about halfway forward into where it used to go into 3rd.

This is where my 1st gear is now, notice how far forward the shift boot is:
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And this is where my neutral is. Notice how the boot is actually bent backwards slightly:
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I don't know if it's necessarily a bad thing, but it will take some getting used to, that's for sure.

Truth be told, I haven't even gotten to mounting the plate back onto the rubber sealing boot underneath the trim inside the car, because now that the shifter has moved, I'll likely have to drill six new holes to make that plate fit. I'll do that later. I just wanted this car out of my own garage and back on the other side where it belongs, so my Honda can sit in my garage and I don't have to go to the other side of the house to get to work in the morning. :roll:

So anyway, aside from the strange 'moved' shift pattern, it does feel nice and firm, and even though I used a stock 08 WRX shifter (not an STi short-throw), the throws are still significantly shorter than my original shifter. So the overall impression is still good.

But for God's sake, use a GD/GG shifter, unless you really like to torment yourself for no good reason, then fab the GE/GH shifter to work.

Oh, and bonus sneak peek partial nighttime picture of what wheels I have on my car right now:
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Just so it's easier, the only part numbers you ABSOLUTELY MUST NEED TO KNOW to make a new-style shifter fit are these:

1) 35047AC030
2) 35045FC000

You can use a stock shifter like I did, or an STi short-throw, but you will still need those two part numbers to make it fit.
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Post by BSOD2600 »

Alright, finally got my new shifter installed. Start to finish took about 3 hours, and at least 2 was because of that fucking spring pin!! I don't have access to an air hammer, so had to resort to various tools around the shop to try and get it out. Called around to Napa and Schucks, yet neither claimed to have a rollpin punch tool.

In the end, I used the following: the large punch for removal and the ground down rebar spike for insertion. Major pain! My right arm is now dead from all the hammering in an awkward position.
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Another little minor thing I ran into is that the bolt on joint, wouldn't clear the housing of the tranny during removal. Was just millimeters away though. No real biggie since I was removing that whole assembly anyways, just annoying.
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Also during removal of the old shifter, I found out the source of a lot of my side to side slop, no bushing!
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Here is a good comparison of the old (top) and new STI (bottom) shifters. As others have already noted, the couplings have been reversed.
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The 07 STI shifter I got, already had a larger hole drilled in the BOTTOM side of the shifter, so unlike DerFahrer, there was no drilling required for me for the bolt to fit.

Parts I ended up using:
* C1010FA001 - Short Throw Shifter - $243.52
* 35047AC030 - WRX Joint - $42.99

One can reuse the spring pin / bolt / washer from the OEM install, unless they're toast. In which case get 35052AA031 (bolt), 023508000 (Nut Self Lock), and 633046020 (spring pin).


After getting everything back together, took it for a quick spin around the block. DAMN, talk about a world of difference. So much tigher and shorter! Very well worth the time/money.

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