Ej20t Vs. Ej22t, Which one will u take???

djrebel · Post by **djrebel** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 4:04 am

hey guys! new here...lol

which one will i be better off with?

i can get an ej20t for $700 engine only. no transmission or wiring etc.

or

I have ej22 with around 80k and runs great on my 92 leggy 5speed

i found a company that will provide me all the parts needed to make my ej22 into and ej22t. but is a bit expensive.

so to sum everything up which one can i get the most out off?

92ss satinsvoice · Post by **92ss satinsvoice** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 4:16 am

so... you have a ej22e that your runnning? a non turbo motor?

the 22t is a little different from the 22e block.

djrebel · Post by **djrebel** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 4:29 am

hmmm. how would i know which one it is?

its non-turbo. and its on my legacy bc. my bro bought the engine around two years ago.....

im a big subaru fan but in my area everyone only knows about hondas and acuras so i kinda have to learn everything on my own(web)

HOLD on! i kinda mislead u guys. im not going to convert it into a 22t. im just going to add turbo to it. i though that adding turbo was going to make it into a 22t but its not right? like i said im trying to learn. hmmm. will it be cheaper to make it into a 22t or add turbo?

i know its alot to answer but any help is needed.

555BCTurbo · Post by **555BCTurbo** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 5:18 am

I would take the 22t, since the 20t doesn't exist...

The proper code for the engine you must be considering is EJ20G.

That said, I would still take the EJ22T...it is closed deck like some of the 2 liters, and larger displacement...

djrebel · Post by **djrebel** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 6:00 am

555BCTurbo wrote:I would take the 22t, since the 20t doesn't exist...

its a conversion of the 20tt.....?

to anyone:

what would be the difference in adding turbo to a ej22 over the ej22t? is there advantages/disadvantages?

Fkyx · Post by **Fkyx** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 6:03 am

Isn't the EJ22 open deck? You'd lose a bit of reliability if that's the case.

djrebel · Post by **djrebel** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 6:10 am

hmmm. i see

how much horsepower do u guys think i can pull out of the ej22? if i added headers, intake and what not...

douglas vincent · Post by **douglas vincent** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 6:13 am

WHERE are you located?

And how much money do you plan on spending?

djrebel · Post by **djrebel** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 6:20 am

douglas vincent wrote:WHERE are you located?

And how much money do you plan on spending?

im in pasco washington which is approximately 4 hours from portland...

i don't have a budget. only passion

this is a "project" i wanna build this as time goes on. but i would like to know which engine is the best to build off of...

skid542 · Post by **skid542** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 2:13 pm

Welcome to the boards.

First off, I think some clarification is in order.

Your current motor in your NA car is a EJ22E. This motor is NOT a EJ22T and never will be. Adding a turbo to it will not turn it into a EJ22T. There are some very disctinct differences between the two blocks.

In order to properly answer your question as to whether to put a turbo on the EJ22E or to get the EJ20G you must first define how much power you ultimately want and also how much money you are willing to spend.

I don't mean to sound like a prune, but spend a week searching on EJ22E turbo conversions, EJ20G conversions, and the differences between the EJ22E vs. EJ22T. There is a TON of information on these subjects.

Doug, who has already stepped into this thread is the king of the EJ22E turbo conversion and has done a great job at documenting his saga.

Again, welcome to the BBS.

djrebel · Post by **djrebel** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 4:21 am

skid542 wrote:Welcome to the boards.

First off, I think some clarification is in order.

Your current motor in your NA car is a EJ22E. This motor is NOT a EJ22T and never will be. Adding a turbo to it will not turn it into a EJ22T. There are some very disctinct differences between the two blocks.

In order to properly answer your question as to whether to put a turbo on the EJ22E or to get the EJ20G you must first define how much power you ultimately want and also how much money you are willing to spend.

I don't mean to sound like a prune, but spend a week searching on EJ22E turbo conversions, EJ20G conversions, and the differences between the EJ22E vs. EJ22T. There is a TON of information on these subjects.

Doug, who has already stepped into this thread is the king of the EJ22E turbo conversion and has done a great job at documenting his saga.

Again, welcome to the BBS.

thanks man. the info is verey much appreciated.

personally i think i-m willing to spend no more than 6gs on the overall project.

i dont think im capable of doing a conversion.

and i want the most horsepower possible. something that will dominated the honda b16-20 series

............

skid542 · Post by **skid542** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 5:56 am

Okay. If you're going after that kind of power and you have that much money to work with then I would suggest buying a used EJ22T. Figure 1k to suspension upgrades to handle the power, 500-600 for brakes (depending on how nice you want to go), another 500-700 for misc. gaskets and hoses and such that you will end up replacing along the way. That leaves you enough for some sort of EM - which you will need as your NA computer will not give you much, and then for the motor, rebuild, turbo, and IC.

However, if you are not capable of doing significant fabrication and wiring, it's going to cost a fair bit more to have someone do the work.

These cars are very capable and buildable, but it does take a lot of custom work. They are not the 'easily' modified cars like the new WRX's and such.

But if you're serious about turning this car into a monster, you found the right place

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92ss satinsvoice · Post by **92ss satinsvoice** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 7:20 am

douglas vincent wrote:WHERE are you located?

LOL! everytime doug, it cracks me up wanting to know where the hell everyone is.

Matt Monson · Post by **Matt Monson** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:40 am

Fkyx wrote:Isn't the EJ22 open deck? You'd lose a bit of reliability if that's the case.

Please don't continue the myth of the closed deck motor. They are not more reliable. In regular everyday applications they are not stronger. If they were Subaru would still be using them. They were stronger for the totally unrestricted homologation rally racing you saw in the early 90's. They are still stronger if you are going for broke in the power department. But even that doesn't mean they are a "better" block and it definitely doesn't mean they are more reliable.

Tuners like Crawford Performance, back in the day, before we had the Ej257 STi block to work with, or even the WRX stateside for that matter, were making 300-350+chp out of Ej22E open deck blocks fitted with forged pistons and better heads.

Sorry if I come off as harsh but I hate the closed deck myth. And don't even get me started on the Ej22G.

Fkyx · Post by **Fkyx** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:01 am

Matt Monson wrote:Sorry if I come off as harsh but I hate the closed deck myth. And don't even get me started on the Ej22G.

No problem. I was misinformed, going off of what I've read in the past. Thanks for setting me straight.

Matt Monson · Post by **Matt Monson** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:39 am

And don't get me wrong. I am a fan of the closed deck engine, as are many on this site. I was mostly pointing out that the Ej22e open deck motor is a suitable platform for a "reasonable" build. Take an Ej22e and slap some DOHC Ej25 or EJ20G heads on it and a turbo and you are in business. One can make STi power levels on a super tight budget.

I did vote in the poll. I voted Ej20. If it were my car, I would either install the EJ20 as it sits or I would take the Ej20 heads and put them on the Ej22 block that's currently in the car. Ej22T swaps are way overpriced these days because everyone wants the closed deck block. Hell, I took the Ej22T out of my 91 SS and put an Ej20G in it's place. I picked up 80chp in the process. Not a bad gain for $500. If I wanted, I could have sold the Ej22T for that much. But I've got other plans for that block. It's under a tarp in the garage these days, but not for much longer...

555BCTurbo · Post by **555BCTurbo** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 3:45 am

I have an EJ22T block for sale...

RJ93SS · Post by **RJ93SS** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:36 pm

first, buy a ej22t w/5 sp
second, look up steve's pacific import auto in tacoma
third, there is a tonne of subie owners in washington, probably the most in all of north america

dropdfocus · Post by **dropdfocus** » Sun Jul 27, 2008 3:29 pm

RJ93SS wrote:there is a tonne of subie owners in washington, probably the most in all of north america

Hey, don't forget about us PA guys... The 1st Gen Legacy is king around here. There are a ton of them running around along with Loyales as well. Within 50 miles there are 3 Subaru dealerships & 3 (or more I don't know about) private Subaru used car dealers.

As for the EJ22E, it's a "partially" closed deck block. The EJ25D is on of the full open deck motors (don't even consider using this motor for a high HP build!). The EJ22T motors are sought after primarily for the block internals. Transfer these into an EJ22E and install higher flow EJ25D DOHC heads (have a set for sale) or EJ251 SOHC heads and you've got a "Frankenmotor" setup. Pretty common these days among people who want a decent setup w/ a tight budget.

Matt Monson · Post by **Matt Monson** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 1:26 am

dropdfocus wrote: The EJ22T motors are sought after primarily for the block internals. Transfer these into an EJ22E and install higher flow EJ25D DOHC heads (have a set for sale) or EJ251 SOHC heads and you've got a "Frankenmotor" setup. Pretty common these days among people who want a decent setup w/ a tight budget.

Actually they are sought solely for the closed deck block. The crank and rods are nothing special and not really different from any other Subaru engine. And if you switch in the pistons, which are cast, not forged and also nothing special, and mate the Ej25 heads onto it, you get super low compression down around 7:1. It's better to just leave the Ej22E pistons in place because it keeps the comprssion in the mid 8's:1 and you don't have to crack the case.

Furthermore an EJ22e is not a "partially" closed deck. It's open deck. The Ej257 and late Ej207's are semi-closed decks because they have additional cross bracing on the body of the cylinder wall. The only nice thing about the Ej22E block is that the cylinder walls are actually thicker than ej20 cylinder walls, and thus arguably stronger, but there's nothing partially closed about that block.

ps. Colorado has a ton of Subarus as well. Please keep this was a "my state it cooler than your state" off topic discussion. I don't want to start removing posts from this out of respect for the OP...

dropdfocus · Post by **dropdfocus** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 2:45 am

Really, I could have sworn that the 22E was a partial closed motor. My bad.

As for the my state is cooler than yours. I was just making mention of PA, not trying to put anyone down or sound like we are the best. Sorry it was taken that way...

Matt Monson · Post by **Matt Monson** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 3:22 am

Jason,
Don't worry about it. My comment was pre-emptive. I've seen arguments over which state has the most Subarus start more innocently than the 2 comments that were there. I was just reminding people of the point of the thread.

dropdfocus · Post by **dropdfocus** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 3:52 am

Ok, thanks for the clarification on that Matt.

93forestpearl · Post by **93forestpearl** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 5:15 pm

Just thought I'd throw this out there. A friend of mine slapped a T series Garrett on his EJ22E Impreza along with a RRFPR, an '06 Forester IC, and exhaust and makes low 200's to the wheels. He beats the hell out of it and has for about 2 years. If it pops, he'll throw in another 22E for $150. He easily has less than $1000 into the thing.

Being handy with a welder helps ALOT. If you are not limited to the stock up pipe and downpipe, it opens up a ton of turbo options.

BXSS · Post by **BXSS** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 5:41 pm

I voted ej20 as well.

Its just too easy & economical to make decent power with a stock EJ20G - you have your first batch of mods (TMIC, Bigger turbo (either td04 or TD05), 440cc injectors) + a DOHC conversion wrapped up in a 8.5:1 CR package & it runs on the SS ecu/sensors & may have a 5spd tranny attached to it if that is what you like....

That said I have a ej22e in my Impreza that will walk my SS (EJ20G 18psi on a 16g) with no problems so there is potential for power there, it just is not as easy as the EJ20G swap.
I've gone through a few different set-ups (TMIC-FMIC, Alky-injection, bigger injectors, intake manifolds (2.5, WRX)......) since I turbo'd this car in '04 & enjoy tweaking & squeezing the most I can out of it + I'm cheap & the basic kit was all freebies & spare parts from my GVR4 days (It cost me about $300 to have my kit up & running - my buddy is super handy with the welder).
I have been very happy with the reliability & surprised with the performance of this little motor & am sure a real tuner/shop could easily get a reliable 350HP out of one of these as Matt stated...

Comparing the ej22e to a open deck Honda it is easy to see why folks will call it _ - decked as the 2 little contact points the sleeve has with the block is alot more than the Hondas have (they have no contact point between the sleeve & top of the block) but are 2 short of what a STi has (4).

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