I've found the same to be true on my '92 Turbo Legacy. Usually above 11 psi I
feel as if the car is actually pulling back rather than pushing forward! I
figured it was due to either the turbo not being able to make any more power
or that the increased compression gets too hot due to the lack of an
intercooler. That said I know people on this list are running 13 psi without
an intercooler. But based on what I feel I think my car would actually be
slower if I turned the boost up further!!! What do u guys think?
Fred
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Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Timing Retard ??
My '91 Turbo Legacy with a manual boost controller will hold 10-11
psi no problem. The problem is that my performance drops with higher
boost. I am sure this is a timing issue. What is the degree of
retard under boost for these cars? I want to put the light on it and
pressurize my MAP to 9 psi and watch the timing change. If I know
what stock retard is I could compare results.
Thanks,
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Timing Retard
No Intercooler?!! We have chargecoolers the last time I opened my engine bay.....
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Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Timing Retard
I've found the same to be true on my '92 Turbo Legacy. Usually above 11 psi I
feel as if the car is actually pulling back rather than pushing forward! I
figured it was due to either the turbo not being able to make any more power
or that the increased compression gets too hot due to the lack of an
intercooler. That said I know people on this list are running 13 psi without
an intercooler. But based on what I feel I think my car would actually be
slower if I turned the boost up further!!! What do u guys think?
Fred
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Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Timing Retard ??
My '91 Turbo Legacy with a manual boost controller will hold 10-11
psi no problem. The problem is that my performance drops with higher
boost. I am sure this is a timing issue. What is the degree of
retard under boost for these cars? I want to put the light on it and
pressurize my MAP to 9 psi and watch the timing change. If I know
what stock retard is I could compare results.
Thanks,
Matt Reese
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From: FREDERICK.WHITMORE@CN.CA
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Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 2:24 PM
Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Timing Retard
I've found the same to be true on my '92 Turbo Legacy. Usually above 11 psi I
feel as if the car is actually pulling back rather than pushing forward! I
figured it was due to either the turbo not being able to make any more power
or that the increased compression gets too hot due to the lack of an
intercooler. That said I know people on this list are running 13 psi without
an intercooler. But based on what I feel I think my car would actually be
slower if I turned the boost up further!!! What do u guys think?
Fred
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Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Timing Retard ??
My '91 Turbo Legacy with a manual boost controller will hold 10-11
psi no problem. The problem is that my performance drops with higher
boost. I am sure this is a timing issue. What is the degree of
retard under boost for these cars? I want to put the light on it and
pressurize my MAP to 9 psi and watch the timing change. If I know
what stock retard is I could compare results.
Thanks,
Matt Reese
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Timing Retard
I was just about to reply to the previous message as you did and I
think you have answered the question. The stock Legacy turbo is rather
small when it comes to running elevated boost levels and the output
temperatures rise very quickly when it is called on to produce high
boost. We checked this on this when we were building the white car
that Byron now has and has made many improvments on. First off we
installed a Garrett hybrid turbo unit and then added a front mount
intercooler. This and other items gave 300+ hp and we were turning
13.5 sec. 1/4 mile times at high altitude this would probably be 12.5
sec. at sea level. What is probaby happening is that the charge is so
hot that it is pre-igniting just on compression and this can be a
little rough on pistons. You may want to try Rods fix on raising the
octane and cooling the mixture.
AL(CO)
BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., FREDERICK.WHITMORE@C... wrote:
> I've found the same to be true on my '92 Turbo Legacy. Usually
above 11 psi I
> feel as if the car is actually pulling back rather than pushing
forward! I
> figured it was due to either the turbo not being able to make any
more power
> or that the increased compression gets too hot due to the lack of an
> intercooler. That said I know people on this list are running 13 psi
without
> an intercooler. But based on what I feel I think my car would
actually be
> slower if I turned the boost up further!!! What do u guys think?
>
> Fred
> ------------------( Forwarded letter 1 follows )--------------------
> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 03:16:16 -0000
> To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> From: arktechca[carmat76]@hotmail.com
> Sender: sentto-2208544-6438-@gcs.alias
> Reply-To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Timing Retard ??
>
> My '91 Turbo Legacy with a manual boost controller will hold 10-11
> psi no problem. The problem is that my performance drops with higher
> boost. I am sure this is a timing issue. What is the degree of
> retard under boost for these cars? I want to put the light on it and
> pressurize my MAP to 9 psi and watch the timing change. If I know
> what stock retard is I could compare results.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Matt Reese
>
>
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think you have answered the question. The stock Legacy turbo is rather
small when it comes to running elevated boost levels and the output
temperatures rise very quickly when it is called on to produce high
boost. We checked this on this when we were building the white car
that Byron now has and has made many improvments on. First off we
installed a Garrett hybrid turbo unit and then added a front mount
intercooler. This and other items gave 300+ hp and we were turning
13.5 sec. 1/4 mile times at high altitude this would probably be 12.5
sec. at sea level. What is probaby happening is that the charge is so
hot that it is pre-igniting just on compression and this can be a
little rough on pistons. You may want to try Rods fix on raising the
octane and cooling the mixture.
AL(CO)
BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., FREDERICK.WHITMORE@C... wrote:
> I've found the same to be true on my '92 Turbo Legacy. Usually
above 11 psi I
> feel as if the car is actually pulling back rather than pushing
forward! I
> figured it was due to either the turbo not being able to make any
more power
> or that the increased compression gets too hot due to the lack of an
> intercooler. That said I know people on this list are running 13 psi
without
> an intercooler. But based on what I feel I think my car would
actually be
> slower if I turned the boost up further!!! What do u guys think?
>
> Fred
> ------------------( Forwarded letter 1 follows )--------------------
> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 03:16:16 -0000
> To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> From: arktechca[carmat76]@hotmail.com
> Sender: sentto-2208544-6438-@gcs.alias
> Reply-To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@y...
> Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Timing Retard ??
>
> My '91 Turbo Legacy with a manual boost controller will hold 10-11
> psi no problem. The problem is that my performance drops with higher
> boost. I am sure this is a timing issue. What is the degree of
> retard under boost for these cars? I want to put the light on it and
> pressurize my MAP to 9 psi and watch the timing change. If I know
> what stock retard is I could compare results.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Matt Reese
>
>
>
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Timing Retard
No North American Legacy Turbo came with a factory Intercooler.
Lame.
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Timing Retard
Yeah it needs a intercooler, at that hi psi,
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Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 2:24 PM
Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Timing Retard
> I've found the same to be true on my '92 Turbo Legacy. Usually above 11
psi I
> feel as if the car is actually pulling back rather than pushing forward!
I
> figured it was due to either the turbo not being able to make any more
power
> or that the increased compression gets too hot due to the lack of an
> intercooler. That said I know people on this list are running 13 psi
without
> an intercooler. But based on what I feel I think my car would actually be
> slower if I turned the boost up further!!! What do u guys think?
>
> Fred
> ------------------( Forwarded letter 1 follows )--------------------
> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 03:16:16 -0000
> To: BC-BFLegacyWorks@yahoogroups.com
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> Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Timing Retard ??
>
> My '91 Turbo Legacy with a manual boost controller will hold 10-11
> psi no problem. The problem is that my performance drops with higher
> boost. I am sure this is a timing issue. What is the degree of
> retard under boost for these cars? I want to put the light on it and
> pressurize my MAP to 9 psi and watch the timing change. If I know
> what stock retard is I could compare results.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Matt Reese
>
>
>
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----- Original Message -----
From: <FREDERICK.WHITMORE@CN.CA>
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Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 2:24 PM
Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Timing Retard
> I've found the same to be true on my '92 Turbo Legacy. Usually above 11
psi I
> feel as if the car is actually pulling back rather than pushing forward!
I
> figured it was due to either the turbo not being able to make any more
power
> or that the increased compression gets too hot due to the lack of an
> intercooler. That said I know people on this list are running 13 psi
without
> an intercooler. But based on what I feel I think my car would actually be
> slower if I turned the boost up further!!! What do u guys think?
>
> Fred
> ------------------( Forwarded letter 1 follows )--------------------
> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 03:16:16 -0000
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> Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Timing Retard ??
>
> My '91 Turbo Legacy with a manual boost controller will hold 10-11
> psi no problem. The problem is that my performance drops with higher
> boost. I am sure this is a timing issue. What is the degree of
> retard under boost for these cars? I want to put the light on it and
> pressurize my MAP to 9 psi and watch the timing change. If I know
> what stock retard is I could compare results.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Matt Reese
>
>
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Timing Retard
Yeah but the US version dose not Kam they run lower boost
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Subject: Re: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Timing Retard
No Intercooler?!! We have chargecoolers the last time I opened my engine bay.....
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Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Timing Retard
I've found the same to be true on my '92 Turbo Legacy. Usually above 11 psi I
feel as if the car is actually pulling back rather than pushing forward! I
figured it was due to either the turbo not being able to make any more power
or that the increased compression gets too hot due to the lack of an
intercooler. That said I know people on this list are running 13 psi without
an intercooler. But based on what I feel I think my car would actually be
slower if I turned the boost up further!!! What do u guys think?
Fred
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Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Timing Retard ??
My '91 Turbo Legacy with a manual boost controller will hold 10-11
psi no problem. The problem is that my performance drops with higher
boost. I am sure this is a timing issue. What is the degree of
retard under boost for these cars? I want to put the light on it and
pressurize my MAP to 9 psi and watch the timing change. If I know
what stock retard is I could compare results.
Thanks,
Matt Reese
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No Intercooler?!! We have chargecoolers the last time I opened my engine bay.....
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Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Timing Retard
I've found the same to be true on my '92 Turbo Legacy. Usually above 11 psi I
feel as if the car is actually pulling back rather than pushing forward! I
figured it was due to either the turbo not being able to make any more power
or that the increased compression gets too hot due to the lack of an
intercooler. That said I know people on this list are running 13 psi without
an intercooler. But based on what I feel I think my car would actually be
slower if I turned the boost up further!!! What do u guys think?
Fred
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Subject: [BC-BFLegacyWorks] Timing Retard ??
My '91 Turbo Legacy with a manual boost controller will hold 10-11
psi no problem. The problem is that my performance drops with higher
boost. I am sure this is a timing issue. What is the degree of
retard under boost for these cars? I want to put the light on it and
pressurize my MAP to 9 psi and watch the timing change. If I know
what stock retard is I could compare results.
Thanks,
Matt Reese
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