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From: SECTION8HQ@aol.com
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 14:45:22 EDT
Subject: [STi-Mlist] New Turbo H6 Potential ???
To: sti-mlist@imprezawrx.org
Reply-To: sti-mlist@imprezawrx.org
In a message dated 7/6/2002 12:41:31 PM Central Daylight Time,
Ssspoon@aol.com writes:
> The new Subaru high-output H6-3.0 features an aluminum crankcase,
> double-overhead camshafts and four valves per cylinder. A direct ignition
> system uses an individual ignition coil for each cylinder, eliminating the
> need for a distributor and sparkplug wires. The engine displaces 2,999
> cubic centimeters (183 cubic inches) and produces 212 horsepower at 6,000
> rpm and 210 lb.-ft. of peak torque at 4,400 rpm. By 2,200 rpm, the Subaru
> H6-3.0 engine is already producing a substantial 174 lb.-ft. of torque,
> providing quick response at lower speeds.
Other than the numbers, those are the general specs for all new subaru
engines. (turbo engines have the individual coils on plug, the 2.5 is not
and the 2.5's have been going back and forth from DOHC to SOHC for quite a
while as well, SOHC since some early 99s slipped out with DOHC) WRX (US, and
the past years in Japan and whre ever else they sold the turbo cars have/have
had DOHC with coil on plug ignition.
> Dual-Stage Intake And Exhaust
> The new Subaru H6-3.0 uses a variable intake manifold and a dual-stage
> muffler to optimize power delivery throughout the engine speed range.
> Low-speed and mid-range power have not been compromised for high-rpm power,
> and vice versa. The variable intake manifold features an induction control
> valve that provides two intake characteristics. Below 3,700 rpm the valve
> remains closed to create a long intake runner length, helping to boost
> low-end and mid-range power. When the valve opens above 3,700 rpm, the
> manifold creates a "scavenging" or light supercharging effect, allowing
> each cylinder to catch high-pressure waves of intake air bouncing off the
> opposite side of the manifold.
Have you read about the variable valve system that subaru is running in
Japan? That is where the gains are at. The variable runner length is good
to, but it won't help a turbo engine. That technology is sort of behind the
game as many other manufactures have done it and some have moved on to
variable valve systems.
As for turboing the EZ30-
STi V5
Stroked 3.2ltr H6 with twin garrett GT series turbos with Tial 60mm w/gates
Custom forged pistons, rods, extractors
Custom Head studs, crank & closed deck block
Holinger Dogbox inc f & r LSD
Motec M8
Custom FMIC
Custom Fuel system complete
Ohlin 46 HRC Coils Overs with custom billet control arms and modified sus
pension pick ups
Seam welded body inc integral Alloy full cage
AP RAcing 6 spot Front & 4 spot rear brakes
Jun profile camshafts
Custom Jun Valves & springs
Well over $100k in modifications resulting in 660kw on engine dyno.
Exceptionally engineered in completely in Japan and imported once complete
$80,000 - No time wasters or tyre kickers please
885 HP STi ver 5, for $40,000 built in Japan
cheeRS,
Greg
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Almost 900 HP from H6 3.2 liter
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Almost 900 HP from H6 3.2 liter
There's that old saying "There's no replacement for displacement".
900HP from an EJ20, even stroked, is basically impossible. Increase
the displacement by %50 and look what happens.
Wow.
Dave
--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., ssspoon@a... wrote:
> Couldn't resist forwarding this from the STi List
>
> From: SECTION8HQ@a...
> Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 14:45:22 EDT
> Subject: [STi-Mlist] New Turbo H6 Potential ???
> To: sti-mlist@i...
> Reply-To: sti-mlist@i...
>
> In a message dated 7/6/2002 12:41:31 PM Central Daylight Time,
> Ssspoon@a... writes:
>
>
> > The new Subaru high-output H6-3.0 features an aluminum crankcase,
> > double-overhead camshafts and four valves per cylinder. A direct
ignition
> > system uses an individual ignition coil for each cylinder,
eliminating the
> > need for a distributor and sparkplug wires. The engine displaces
2,999
> > cubic centimeters (183 cubic inches) and produces 212 horsepower
at 6,000
> > rpm and 210 lb.-ft. of peak torque at 4,400 rpm. By 2,200 rpm,
the Subaru
> > H6-3.0 engine is already producing a substantial 174 lb.-ft. of
torque,
> > providing quick response at lower speeds.
>
>
> Other than the numbers, those are the general specs for all new
subaru
> engines. (turbo engines have the individual coils on plug, the 2.5
is not
> and the 2.5's have been going back and forth from DOHC to SOHC for
quite a
> while as well, SOHC since some early 99s slipped out with DOHC)
WRX (US, and
>
> the past years in Japan and whre ever else they sold the turbo cars
have/have
>
> had DOHC with coil on plug ignition.
>
> > Dual-Stage Intake And Exhaust
> > The new Subaru H6-3.0 uses a variable intake manifold and a dual-
stage
> > muffler to optimize power delivery throughout the engine speed
range.
> > Low-speed and mid-range power have not been compromised for high-
rpm power,
>
> > and vice versa. The variable intake manifold features an
induction control
> > valve that provides two intake characteristics. Below 3,700 rpm
the valve
> > remains closed to create a long intake runner length, helping to
boost
> > low-end and mid-range power. When the valve opens above 3,700
rpm, the
> > manifold creates a "scavenging" or light supercharging effect,
allowing
> > each cylinder to catch high-pressure waves of intake air bouncing
off the
> > opposite side of the manifold.
>
> Have you read about the variable valve system that subaru is
running in
> Japan? That is where the gains are at. The variable runner length
is good
> to, but it won't help a turbo engine. That technology is sort of
behind the
> game as many other manufactures have done it and some have moved on
to
> variable valve systems.
>
> As for turboing the EZ30-
>
> STi V5
> Stroked 3.2ltr H6 with twin garrett GT series turbos with Tial 60mm
w/gates
> Custom forged pistons, rods, extractors
> Custom Head studs, crank & closed deck block
> Holinger Dogbox inc f & r LSD
> Motec M8
> Custom FMIC
> Custom Fuel system complete
> Ohlin 46 HRC Coils Overs with custom billet control arms and
modified sus
> pension pick ups
> Seam welded body inc integral Alloy full cage
> AP RAcing 6 spot Front & 4 spot rear brakes
> Jun profile camshafts
> Custom Jun Valves & springs
> Well over $100k in modifications resulting in 660kw on engine dyno.
> Exceptionally engineered in completely in Japan and imported once
complete
> $80,000 - No time wasters or tyre kickers please
>
> 885 HP STi ver 5, for $40,000 built in Japan
>
> cheeRS,
>
> Greg
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900HP from an EJ20, even stroked, is basically impossible. Increase
the displacement by %50 and look what happens.
Wow.
Dave
--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., ssspoon@a... wrote:
> Couldn't resist forwarding this from the STi List
>
> From: SECTION8HQ@a...
> Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 14:45:22 EDT
> Subject: [STi-Mlist] New Turbo H6 Potential ???
> To: sti-mlist@i...
> Reply-To: sti-mlist@i...
>
> In a message dated 7/6/2002 12:41:31 PM Central Daylight Time,
> Ssspoon@a... writes:
>
>
> > The new Subaru high-output H6-3.0 features an aluminum crankcase,
> > double-overhead camshafts and four valves per cylinder. A direct
ignition
> > system uses an individual ignition coil for each cylinder,
eliminating the
> > need for a distributor and sparkplug wires. The engine displaces
2,999
> > cubic centimeters (183 cubic inches) and produces 212 horsepower
at 6,000
> > rpm and 210 lb.-ft. of peak torque at 4,400 rpm. By 2,200 rpm,
the Subaru
> > H6-3.0 engine is already producing a substantial 174 lb.-ft. of
torque,
> > providing quick response at lower speeds.
>
>
> Other than the numbers, those are the general specs for all new
subaru
> engines. (turbo engines have the individual coils on plug, the 2.5
is not
> and the 2.5's have been going back and forth from DOHC to SOHC for
quite a
> while as well, SOHC since some early 99s slipped out with DOHC)
WRX (US, and
>
> the past years in Japan and whre ever else they sold the turbo cars
have/have
>
> had DOHC with coil on plug ignition.
>
> > Dual-Stage Intake And Exhaust
> > The new Subaru H6-3.0 uses a variable intake manifold and a dual-
stage
> > muffler to optimize power delivery throughout the engine speed
range.
> > Low-speed and mid-range power have not been compromised for high-
rpm power,
>
> > and vice versa. The variable intake manifold features an
induction control
> > valve that provides two intake characteristics. Below 3,700 rpm
the valve
> > remains closed to create a long intake runner length, helping to
boost
> > low-end and mid-range power. When the valve opens above 3,700
rpm, the
> > manifold creates a "scavenging" or light supercharging effect,
allowing
> > each cylinder to catch high-pressure waves of intake air bouncing
off the
> > opposite side of the manifold.
>
> Have you read about the variable valve system that subaru is
running in
> Japan? That is where the gains are at. The variable runner length
is good
> to, but it won't help a turbo engine. That technology is sort of
behind the
> game as many other manufactures have done it and some have moved on
to
> variable valve systems.
>
> As for turboing the EZ30-
>
> STi V5
> Stroked 3.2ltr H6 with twin garrett GT series turbos with Tial 60mm
w/gates
> Custom forged pistons, rods, extractors
> Custom Head studs, crank & closed deck block
> Holinger Dogbox inc f & r LSD
> Motec M8
> Custom FMIC
> Custom Fuel system complete
> Ohlin 46 HRC Coils Overs with custom billet control arms and
modified sus
> pension pick ups
> Seam welded body inc integral Alloy full cage
> AP RAcing 6 spot Front & 4 spot rear brakes
> Jun profile camshafts
> Custom Jun Valves & springs
> Well over $100k in modifications resulting in 660kw on engine dyno.
> Exceptionally engineered in completely in Japan and imported once
complete
> $80,000 - No time wasters or tyre kickers please
>
> 885 HP STi ver 5, for $40,000 built in Japan
>
> cheeRS,
>
> Greg
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grantsubaru
Almost 900 HP from H6 3.2 liter
I'm guessing that is in a Legacy. Any chance of any pics? That is
one impressive car that's for sure. I think if I had 80Grand I'd
probably build my own car but that would be a good already built car.
Grant
--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "legacycentral" <legacycentral@y...>
wrote:
> There's that old saying "There's no replacement for displacement".
>
> 900HP from an EJ20, even stroked, is basically impossible.
Increase
> the displacement by %50 and look what happens.
>
> Wow.
>
> Dave
>
> --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., ssspoon@a... wrote:
> > Couldn't resist forwarding this from the STi List
> >
> > From: SECTION8HQ@a...
> > Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 14:45:22 EDT
> > Subject: [STi-Mlist] New Turbo H6 Potential ???
> > To: sti-mlist@i...
> > Reply-To: sti-mlist@i...
> >
> > In a message dated 7/6/2002 12:41:31 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > Ssspoon@a... writes:
> >
> >
> > > The new Subaru high-output H6-3.0 features an aluminum
crankcase,
> > > double-overhead camshafts and four valves per cylinder. A
direct
> ignition
> > > system uses an individual ignition coil for each cylinder,
> eliminating the
> > > need for a distributor and sparkplug wires. The engine
displaces
> 2,999
> > > cubic centimeters (183 cubic inches) and produces 212
horsepower
> at 6,000
> > > rpm and 210 lb.-ft. of peak torque at 4,400 rpm. By 2,200 rpm,
> the Subaru
> > > H6-3.0 engine is already producing a substantial 174 lb.-ft. of
> torque,
> > > providing quick response at lower speeds.
> >
> >
> > Other than the numbers, those are the general specs for all new
> subaru
> > engines. (turbo engines have the individual coils on plug, the
2.5
> is not
> > and the 2.5's have been going back and forth from DOHC to SOHC
for
> quite a
> > while as well, SOHC since some early 99s slipped out with DOHC)
> WRX (US, and
> >
> > the past years in Japan and whre ever else they sold the turbo
cars
> have/have
> >
> > had DOHC with coil on plug ignition.
> >
> > > Dual-Stage Intake And Exhaust
> > > The new Subaru H6-3.0 uses a variable intake manifold and a
dual-
> stage
> > > muffler to optimize power delivery throughout the engine speed
> range.
> > > Low-speed and mid-range power have not been compromised for
high-
> rpm power,
> >
> > > and vice versa. The variable intake manifold features an
> induction control
> > > valve that provides two intake characteristics. Below 3,700 rpm
> the valve
> > > remains closed to create a long intake runner length, helping
to
> boost
> > > low-end and mid-range power. When the valve opens above 3,700
> rpm, the
> > > manifold creates a "scavenging" or light supercharging effect,
> allowing
> > > each cylinder to catch high-pressure waves of intake air
bouncing
> off the
> > > opposite side of the manifold.
> >
> > Have you read about the variable valve system that subaru is
> running in
> > Japan? That is where the gains are at. The variable runner
length
> is good
> > to, but it won't help a turbo engine. That technology is sort of
> behind the
> > game as many other manufactures have done it and some have moved
on
> to
> > variable valve systems.
> >
> > As for turboing the EZ30-
> >
> > STi V5
> > Stroked 3.2ltr H6 with twin garrett GT series turbos with Tial
60mm
> w/gates
> > Custom forged pistons, rods, extractors
> > Custom Head studs, crank & closed deck block
> > Holinger Dogbox inc f & r LSD
> > Motec M8
> > Custom FMIC
> > Custom Fuel system complete
> > Ohlin 46 HRC Coils Overs with custom billet control arms and
> modified sus
> > pension pick ups
> > Seam welded body inc integral Alloy full cage
> > AP RAcing 6 spot Front & 4 spot rear brakes
> > Jun profile camshafts
> > Custom Jun Valves & springs
> > Well over $100k in modifications resulting in 660kw on engine
dyno.
> > Exceptionally engineered in completely in Japan and imported once
> complete
> > $80,000 - No time wasters or tyre kickers please
> >
> > 885 HP STi ver 5, for $40,000 built in Japan
> >
> > cheeRS,
> >
> > Greg
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one impressive car that's for sure. I think if I had 80Grand I'd
probably build my own car but that would be a good already built car.
Grant
--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "legacycentral" <legacycentral@y...>
wrote:
> There's that old saying "There's no replacement for displacement".
>
> 900HP from an EJ20, even stroked, is basically impossible.
Increase
> the displacement by %50 and look what happens.
>
> Wow.
>
> Dave
>
> --- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., ssspoon@a... wrote:
> > Couldn't resist forwarding this from the STi List
> >
> > From: SECTION8HQ@a...
> > Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 14:45:22 EDT
> > Subject: [STi-Mlist] New Turbo H6 Potential ???
> > To: sti-mlist@i...
> > Reply-To: sti-mlist@i...
> >
> > In a message dated 7/6/2002 12:41:31 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > Ssspoon@a... writes:
> >
> >
> > > The new Subaru high-output H6-3.0 features an aluminum
crankcase,
> > > double-overhead camshafts and four valves per cylinder. A
direct
> ignition
> > > system uses an individual ignition coil for each cylinder,
> eliminating the
> > > need for a distributor and sparkplug wires. The engine
displaces
> 2,999
> > > cubic centimeters (183 cubic inches) and produces 212
horsepower
> at 6,000
> > > rpm and 210 lb.-ft. of peak torque at 4,400 rpm. By 2,200 rpm,
> the Subaru
> > > H6-3.0 engine is already producing a substantial 174 lb.-ft. of
> torque,
> > > providing quick response at lower speeds.
> >
> >
> > Other than the numbers, those are the general specs for all new
> subaru
> > engines. (turbo engines have the individual coils on plug, the
2.5
> is not
> > and the 2.5's have been going back and forth from DOHC to SOHC
for
> quite a
> > while as well, SOHC since some early 99s slipped out with DOHC)
> WRX (US, and
> >
> > the past years in Japan and whre ever else they sold the turbo
cars
> have/have
> >
> > had DOHC with coil on plug ignition.
> >
> > > Dual-Stage Intake And Exhaust
> > > The new Subaru H6-3.0 uses a variable intake manifold and a
dual-
> stage
> > > muffler to optimize power delivery throughout the engine speed
> range.
> > > Low-speed and mid-range power have not been compromised for
high-
> rpm power,
> >
> > > and vice versa. The variable intake manifold features an
> induction control
> > > valve that provides two intake characteristics. Below 3,700 rpm
> the valve
> > > remains closed to create a long intake runner length, helping
to
> boost
> > > low-end and mid-range power. When the valve opens above 3,700
> rpm, the
> > > manifold creates a "scavenging" or light supercharging effect,
> allowing
> > > each cylinder to catch high-pressure waves of intake air
bouncing
> off the
> > > opposite side of the manifold.
> >
> > Have you read about the variable valve system that subaru is
> running in
> > Japan? That is where the gains are at. The variable runner
length
> is good
> > to, but it won't help a turbo engine. That technology is sort of
> behind the
> > game as many other manufactures have done it and some have moved
on
> to
> > variable valve systems.
> >
> > As for turboing the EZ30-
> >
> > STi V5
> > Stroked 3.2ltr H6 with twin garrett GT series turbos with Tial
60mm
> w/gates
> > Custom forged pistons, rods, extractors
> > Custom Head studs, crank & closed deck block
> > Holinger Dogbox inc f & r LSD
> > Motec M8
> > Custom FMIC
> > Custom Fuel system complete
> > Ohlin 46 HRC Coils Overs with custom billet control arms and
> modified sus
> > pension pick ups
> > Seam welded body inc integral Alloy full cage
> > AP RAcing 6 spot Front & 4 spot rear brakes
> > Jun profile camshafts
> > Custom Jun Valves & springs
> > Well over $100k in modifications resulting in 660kw on engine
dyno.
> > Exceptionally engineered in completely in Japan and imported once
> complete
> > $80,000 - No time wasters or tyre kickers please
> >
> > 885 HP STi ver 5, for $40,000 built in Japan
> >
> > cheeRS,
> >
> > Greg
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Almost 900 HP from H6 3.2 liter
A replacement for displacement, in 1983 Renault built a 800 hp 1.5
litre GP engine.
AL(CO)
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Josh Colombo
Almost 900 HP from H6 3.2 liter
Well you look at Indy car (CART) engines......they're 2.65 liter
engines, run insane boost and make around 800 hp.
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A replacement for displacement, in 1983 Renault built a 800 hp 1.5
litre GP engine.
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engines, run insane boost and make around 800 hp.
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A replacement for displacement, in 1983 Renault built a 800 hp 1.5
litre GP engine.
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Almost 900 HP from H6 3.2 liter
I think that's 80 G's Australian so around 40 American
It's supposed to be an STi version so probably in an Imprezza rather than
Legacy
Don't know about pics, but you seen one Imprezza you seen 'em all
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It's supposed to be an STi version so probably in an Imprezza rather than
Legacy
Don't know about pics, but you seen one Imprezza you seen 'em all
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Almost 900 HP from H6 3.2 liter
I agree, but when dealing with realistic rev limits and fuel
restrictions (octane), displacement is a very nice way to compliment
a larger turbo.
If my engine could rev much past 7000 without the valves floating,
that would be great, but neither can i realistically run on methanol
or some uber-octane fuel.
What RPM was that peak HP attained at? 12500? 20000?
Dave
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> A replacement for displacement, in 1983 Renault built a 800 hp 1.5
> litre GP engine.
> AL(CO)
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restrictions (octane), displacement is a very nice way to compliment
a larger turbo.
If my engine could rev much past 7000 without the valves floating,
that would be great, but neither can i realistically run on methanol
or some uber-octane fuel.
What RPM was that peak HP attained at? 12500? 20000?
Dave
--- In BC-BFLegacyWorks@y..., "milehial2000" <acroxford@h...> wrote:
> A replacement for displacement, in 1983 Renault built a 800 hp 1.5
> litre GP engine.
> AL(CO)
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